[SOLVED] Advice for my next pc build

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Hello folks,

I was thinking about replacing my old i5 3470 desktop which I use for web development and light gaming (Battlefield 1 and Battlefield V multiplayer and thats it) with a new build. I went to the shop's site and the first list is the parts I've picked myself after reading the description (Bear with me I'm just a software guy; don't know much about hardware, but the description said they are compatible so went with it). After contacting the shop the shop said the second build (second list) is more performant than my parts.

MY INITIAL BUILD (UNDER MY BUDGET)
  • Intel® Core™ i7-10700F
  • ASUS PRIME H510M-E (MOBO)
  • T-CREATE CLASSIC 10L 16GB (2 x 8GB) 3200Mhz
  • Seagate BarraCuda 2TB ST2000DM005 (HDD)
  • Antec VP550 PLUS 550W 80+ (Power Supply)
  • GAMDIAS BOREAS M1-610 (Cooler)
  • WD Green 120GB M.2 SSD

BUILD RECOMMENDED BY MY SHOP (BIT ABOVE BUDGET)
  • INTEL CORE I5- 10400F
  • ANTEC NEPTUNE 120 RGB (Liquid Cooler)
  • MSI B460M BAZOOKA (MOBO)
  • 2 X PATRIOT SPrem 8GB 3200Mhz
  • CORSAIR CV550 80+BRONZE
  • ADDLINK S20 SATA 256GB
  • WD BLUE 2.0TB

I really want some advice on how I can improve this situation, which one to go or maybe a change to a completely different part/parts. (I have a GPU; from the old build which I'm gonna transfer to a new build :D). Sorry for saying "mid range" this could be low end af but I really don't know.

Thank you!
 
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The first thing that jumps out at me is that both of the lists have "F" skew CPU which has no onboard graphics. You don't list a GPU....

The 10700 is going to TROUNCE the 10400. My thoughts would be that "the shop" has more vested interest (like profit) from the i5 comparatively.

I would not pair a 10700 with a low end mobo. It's not to say that I specifically know something about for/against the Asus H510, but would certainly check to see if there is a review of the VRM for that model. IMO you would be cheaper going with a 4xx chipset mobo.

I wouldn't bother with the aftermarket cooler on mobo/CPU that you can't OC, unless it is a specific noise concern. I certainly would not consider AIO on either of these CPU for a 'typical' work...

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The first thing that jumps out at me is that both of the lists have "F" skew CPU which has no onboard graphics. You don't list a GPU....

The 10700 is going to TROUNCE the 10400. My thoughts would be that "the shop" has more vested interest (like profit) from the i5 comparatively.

I would not pair a 10700 with a low end mobo. It's not to say that I specifically know something about for/against the Asus H510, but would certainly check to see if there is a review of the VRM for that model. IMO you would be cheaper going with a 4xx chipset mobo.

I wouldn't bother with the aftermarket cooler on mobo/CPU that you can't OC, unless it is a specific noise concern. I certainly would not consider AIO on either of these CPU for a 'typical' work station.

I have heard of Patriot RAM. I am not sure who T-Create is.

The PSU you (and they) have chosen seem to be a wash IMO.

DO NOT go with a "green" from WD. The build in power (saving) settings led to loads of latency in the past and wouldn't be sure it isn't still an issue. The WD Blue or Black are great choices (among others). Their 'green' drives have a very prevalent sleep option that causes seek times to be really high and in particular with their HDD. I cannot see a reason to continue that nomenclature to an M.2 unless there is some similar foolishness going on.
 
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What is the make/model of your current parts?
I imagine that you can use much of it.
Your current i5-3470 has 4 threads and a passmark performance rating of 4644. That is when all 4 threads are fully loaded. The single thread rating is decent at 1938. Single thread performance is what makes gaming go as well as making your pc responsive.
The processor will turbo up to 3.6
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-3470+@+3.20GHz&id=822
The i7-10700F would certainly be a nice upgrade.
They go for about $270.
16 threads and a rating of 16979/2928 with a boost to 4.8
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-10700F+@+2.90GHz&id=3806

The I5-11400f has 12 threads and a rating of 17,760/3052. They go for $180
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-11400F+@+2.60GHz&id=4226

You would hardly tell the difference in performance between the two.
12 threads would be hard to fill, let alone 16.

LGA1200 supports many chipsets:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1200
The important differences are minor. The Z chipsets allow overclocking.
Neither of the processors allow overclocking, so that point is moot.
Past that, there is little benefit today in overclocking.
Because there is to be no overclocking, cpu cooling requirements are minimal and the supplied intel stock coolers will do the job.

Ram speed is not important to intel performance. 3200 speed is fine.
2666 is equally good if that costs less.
Just be certain to buy a single 2 x 8gb kit, not two"identical" sticks.
Ram must be matched for proper operation.

For certain, buy a ssd for your C drive.
I would suggest buying a 1tb ssd for about $100 and deferring on any hard drives untill you actually need the space. a 1tb samsung 870 QVO is a good unit.
Intel 660P would be a good m.2 device.
I like intel and Samsung because they make their own nand chips.

The power supply wattage you need is mainly determined by the graphics card.
Here is a handy chart:
http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm
From a wattage point of view, your old psu will work.
From a quality point of view you may want to upgrade.
Here is one of many psu tier charts:
Consider a quality psu as a long term investment.
A 7 to 10 year warranty is not a bad first filter.
 
Hello folks,

I was thinking about replacing my old i5 3470 desktop which I use for web development and light gaming (Battlefield 1 and Battlefield V multiplayer and thats it) with a new build. I went to the shop's site and the first list is the parts I've picked myself after reading the description (Bear with me I'm just a software guy; don't know much about hardware, but the description said they are compatible so went with it). After contacting the shop the shop said the second build (second list) is more performant than my parts.

MY INITIAL BUILD (UNDER MY BUDGET)
  • Intel® Core™ i7-10700F
  • ASUS PRIME H510M-E (MOBO)
  • T-CREATE CLASSIC 10L 16GB (2 x 8GB) 3200Mhz
  • Seagate BarraCuda 2TB ST2000DM005 (HDD)
  • Antec VP550 PLUS 550W 80+ (Power Supply)
  • GAMDIAS BOREAS M1-610 (Cooler)
  • WD Green 120GB M.2 SSD
BUILD RECOMMENDED BY MY SHOP (BIT ABOVE BUDGET)
  • INTEL CORE I5- 10400F
  • ANTEC NEPTUNE 120 RGB (Liquid Cooler)
  • MSI B460M BAZOOKA (MOBO)
  • 2 X PATRIOT SPrem 8GB 3200Mhz
  • CORSAIR CV550 80+BRONZE
  • ADDLINK S20 SATA 256GB
  • WD BLUE 2.0TB
I really want some advice on how I can improve this situation, which one to go or maybe a change to a completely different part/parts. (I have a GPU; from the old build which I'm gonna transfer to a new build :D). Sorry for saying "mid range" this could be low end af but I really don't know.

Thank you!
What country are you located and what is your budget?
 

Chamuth

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Thanks for the responses guys.

The first thing that jumps out at me is that both of the lists have "F" skew CPU which has no onboard graphics. You don't list a GPU....

The 10700 is going to TROUNCE the 10400. My thoughts would be that "the shop" has more vested interest (like profit) from the i5 comparatively.

I would not pair a 10700 with a low end mobo. It's not to say that I specifically know something about for/against the Asus H510, but would certainly check to see if there is a review of the VRM for that model. IMO you would be cheaper going with a 4xx chipset mobo.

I wouldn't bother with the aftermarket cooler on mobo/CPU that you can't OC, unless it is a specific noise concern. I certainly would not consider AIO on either of these CPU for a 'typical' work station.

I have heard of Patriot RAM. I am not sure who T-Create is.

The PSU you (and they) have chosen seem to be a wash IMO.

DO NOT go with a "green" from WD. The build in power (saving) settings led to loads of latency in the past and wouldn't be sure it isn't still an issue. The WD Blue or Black are great choices (among others). Their 'green' drives have a very prevalent sleep option that causes seek times to be really high and in particular with their HDD. I cannot see a reason to continue that nomenclature to an M.2 unless there is some similar foolishness going on.
I'm thinking of maybe changing it to a B460 mobo . You sure it won't stutter when playing games with stock cooler? lmao yeah T-Create is the cheapest option on the site. company called Team . And the PSU is also the only budget option currently with stock. :(
 

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What is the make/model of your current parts?
I imagine that you can use much of it.
Your current i5-3470 has 4 threads and a passmark performance rating of 4644. That is when all 4 threads are fully loaded. The single thread rating is decent at 1938. Single thread performance is what makes gaming go as well as making your pc responsive.
The processor will turbo up to 3.6
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-3470+@+3.20GHz&id=822
The i7-10700F would certainly be a nice upgrade.
They go for about $270.
16 threads and a rating of 16979/2928 with a boost to 4.8
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-10700F+@+2.90GHz&id=3806

The I5-11400f has 12 threads and a rating of 17,760/3052. They go for $180
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-11400F+@+2.60GHz&id=4226

You would hardly tell the difference in performance between the two.
12 threads would be hard to fill, let alone 16.

LGA1200 supports many chipsets:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1200
The important differences are minor. The Z chipsets allow overclocking.
Neither of the processors allow overclocking, so that point is moot.
Past that, there is little benefit today in overclocking.
Because there is to be no overclocking, cpu cooling requirements are minimal and the supplied intel stock coolers will do the job.

Ram speed is not important to intel performance. 3200 speed is fine.
2666 is equally good if that costs less.
Just be certain to buy a single 2 x 8gb kit, not two"identical" sticks.
Ram must be matched for proper operation.

For certain, buy a ssd for your C drive.
I would suggest buying a 1tb ssd for about $100 and deferring on any hard drives untill you actually need the space. a 1tb samsung 870 QVO is a good unit.
Intel 660P would be a good m.2 device.
I like intel and Samsung because they make their own nand chips.

The power supply wattage you need is mainly determined by the graphics card.
Here is a handy chart:
http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page362.htm
From a wattage point of view, your old psu will work.
From a quality point of view you may want to upgrade.
Here is one of many psu tier charts:
Consider a quality psu as a long term investment.
A 7 to 10 year warranty is not a bad first filter.

I'm currently using i5 3470 @ 3.2 GHz and 8 GB of DDR3 ram with my GTX 1660 Ti. I can do most of my work without issues (docker, chrome and other dev stuff). But it stutters at Battlefield V. (Battlefield 1 runs super fine).
It's that it doesn't feel much of an upgrade to upgrade from i5 to another i5. :D
I would buy a quality PSU, but the stocks aren't there and the remaining ones cost more than my GPU. :(
 
https://www.barclays.lk/itemdesc.asp?ic=MBDA0006
Asus Prime H510M-A LKR 21,000.00

https://www.barclays.lk/itemdesc.asp?ic=CPUI8120
Intel Core i5-11400F LKR 38,500.00

https://www.barclays.lk/itemdesc.asp?ic=CFHC9486
Cooler Master Hyper 212 LKR 5,650.00

2x8GB DDR4 3200Mhz RAM