Advice needed: $3,000 to spend on upgrade or $6,000 on new build for Video Editing

[THM01]

Hello all,

I'm a professional video editor and I'm sick of my 4790k getting to 99 Celsius within 30 seconds of rendering even simply HD video... need some advice on upgraded the CPU, Mobo, and RAM; I'd be open to other parts as well or just a new build in general perhaps... I've got about a $3,000 budget for those components, and if I went with a new build probably would budget around $6,000 if it would be worth it. I hear that intel is going to have a new Xtreme processor that's rumored to be a 10 core... worth waiting for that or will I be a skeleton first?
Thoughts?
Thanks!

Current build (have had this for a year and a half)
i7 4790k with crappy stock cooler. Was going to put the 212 evo on it but if I'm consistently getting 99C in under a minute then I don't know if that would do much really.. might just be a bad processor.
ASRock z97 extreme4 mobo
GTX 780
32 GB RAM ddr3
750 watt EVGA supernova g2
Corsair 760t case

A few WD black HDD's and a samsung 840 evo for programs.

 

[Shneiky]

http://wccftech.com/intel-broadwelle-scheduled-launch-q1-2016-feature-8-6-core-skus-retaining-support-x99-platform/

Broadwell-E will launch Q1 or Q2 if something goes wrong availability wise.

A 212 Evo will help you get temps down by 10-15 degrees at a lower noise. That is what happened when I first put my old 212 Evo instead of the Intel stock cooler.

I will hold off for Broadwell-E. The biggest plus will be cheaper 8 core chip. Current 5960x is 1000+ USD. The I7 6900(K or X) will very likely priced between current 5930k (6 cores - around 600 bucks) and 5960X (8 cores around 1000)

 

[rcald2000]

Even with your stock CPU cooler, you shouldn't be reaching those temps. Sounds like whoever installed it forgot to use thermal compound with the cooler. If you have a full ATX case then you could by the Hyper 212 EVO and definitely use the thermal compound that comes with it. If you want a water cooled option then you can get a Corsair H110i GTX. I recommend that you stabilize your current build before you invest in the new one.

 

[THM01]

Good advice so far. Still definitely going to look for upgrade options, but I guess I'll give it a go to get this more stabilized; I'll try the 212 evo first since I have one up in my closet, lol.
Any more opinions? Thanks all!

 

[rcald2000]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($374.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H110i GTX 104.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($121.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus SABERTOOTH X99 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($308.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 64GB (8 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($379.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Intel 750 Series 1.2TB PCI-E Solid State Drive ($1084.98 @ Mac Mall)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB Superclocked Video Card ($639.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case ($98.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 1000 P2 1000W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($174.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $3184.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-01-24 06:06 EST-0500

First of all, I know absolutely nothing about video editing, so please take my recommendation as something to just generate a few ideas for you and not as a final build. I don't know what the build for someone in your field.

CPU: You want a X99 motherboard, for that Haswell-E CPU. The 5820K is the 6 core 28 PCIe lane CPU. What's great is that this motherboard supports both the current 5960X and the future 10 core CPU. Please be aware that if you don't overclock this CPU, then you'll experience slower performance than you 4790k, in applications that don't take advantage of all six cores. This is because the 4790K has a higher stock clock speed than the 5820k. The 4790K is of course a 4 core CPU.

Memory: 64 GB of DDR4 RAM is so much cheaper now than when I bought it about six months ago. I paid roughly $500, but now It's $379.99; amazing.

Storage: Read the reviews on NewEgg. A lot of people who do video editing use this PCIe SSD. The Samsung 950 Pro M2. 512 GB is another way you could go, but the 1 TB models aren't out yet, and they do experience moderate throttling with higher temperatures. The Intel 750 has covered in heatsinks and doesn't experience this issue.

Video card: I would have thought that you needed a workstation level GPU, but since you currently have a gaming GPU, I figured that this will hold you. I purposefully gave you a reference design GPU, so that heat would be exhausted out the back of the card, and not recycled back into your computer case.

Power Supply: EVGA, platinum efficiency and 1000 watts. Even 850 watts would be enough for two GTX 980's in SLI. And just in case you add a huge amount of peripherals and a custom water loop, I wanted you to be prepared with an abundant power supply.

 

[jmsellars1]

You have a decent system already, I would just make sure you have thermal compound between your CPU heatsink and your CPU. As previously stated, even the stock cooler should do a lot better than that.

As soon as you sort your temps, you can use that system and wait for Broadwell-E. That's certainly what I'd do before spending this kind of money on this kind of build.

 

[Shneiky]

A much wiser choice would be to wait for broadwell-e to land. A 5820k will not bring you much - specially since you don't overclock. The difference in clocks peed with almost make it up for the two extra cores.

My 2700K at 4.2 GHz provides 74% of the speed of a E5 2650v2 (8 cores - 16 threads) at 3.0 GHz (stock 2.6) when I render with 3D render engines. It also provides exactly the same performance when the 2650v2 is running only 6 cores. Core count never scales linearly. My own tests with render engines have pointed out that when having 8 cores/18 threads - you lose approx 13.5% of the perfect theoretical scaling.

Your 4790K runs at 4GHz - while the 5820k runs at 3.3 GHz. So if the two CPUs are left at stock - you might even lose some performance. Editing software is not that efficient at using multiple cores, well at least not as well as a 3D render engine.

P.S
The stock cooler comes with pre-applied thermal compound. It is not that great of a cooler and it can't handle a 4790k doing AVX, but it should be faring a bit more better. Maybe the fan curve?

 

[bambiboom]

Hello all,

I'm a professional video editor and I'm sick of my 4790k getting to 99 Celsius within 30 seconds of rendering even simply HD video... need some advice on upgraded the CPU, Mobo, and RAM; I'd be open to other parts as well or just a new build in general perhaps... I've got about a $3,000 budget for those components, and if I went with a new build probably would budget around $6,000 if it would be worth it. I hear that intel is going to have a new Xtreme processor that's rumored to be a 10 core... worth waiting for that or will I be a skeleton first?
Thoughts?
Thanks!

Current build (have had this for a year and a half)
i7 4790k with crappy stock cooler. Was going to put the 212 evo on it but if I'm consistently getting 99C in under a minute then I don't know if that would do much really.. might just be a bad processor.
ASRock z97 extreme4 mobo
GTX 780
32 GB RAM ddr3
750 watt EVGA supernova g2
Corsair 760t case

A few WD black HDD's and a samsung 840 evo for programs.

THM01,

If your current system is performing well enough -when running long enough, I would second the suggestions to first install the 212 Evo cooler and test the results. In my view, if the performance is OK and it doesn't overheat, upgrade the disk, possibly using a PCIe M.2 adapter and fast M.2.

However, if you want an optimized editing system that can run 4K as well, and you're using Premiere or other multi-threaded editing program, you can build a really good performer using an 8-core Xeon. Reports of Premi testing show that it benefits from as many cores as possible, but the benefit drops off after 8-cores. And, the recommendation is for GTX GPU's with as many CUDa cores as possible as Adobe (And Autodesk and Dessualt) are CUDA accelerated.

Here's an idea for an editing system:

BambiBoom PixelCannon Videorendergrapharific iWork TurboBlast ExtremeSignaure SuperModel 9600 ®©$$™®£™©™_ 1.24.15

1. CPU: Intel Xeon E5-1660 v3 Eight-Core Haswell Processor 3.0/3.5GHz 0GT/s 20MB LGA 2011-v3 CPU, OEM > $1,070 (top Passmark CPU score on ASUS X99 WS = 17576)
____ http://ark.intel.com/products/82766/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1660-v3-20M-Cache-3_00-GHz
____ http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=E5-1660V3

1A OPT. : Intel Xeon E5-1680 v3 8-core @ 3.2 / 3.8GHz, 20M Cache, 140W
____ http://ark.intel.com/products/82767 > [$1723] (top Passmark CPU score on ASUS X99 WS = 21401)

2. CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Fan > $32.

3. Motherboard: ASUS X99-E WS LGA2011-v3/ Intel X99/ DDR4/ 4-Way CrossFireX & 4-Way SLI/ SATA3&USB3.0/ M.2&SATA Express/ A&2GbE/ CEB Workstation Motherboard > $488

____ http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-X99E-WS

4. RAM: Crucial 64GB (4 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM ECC DDR4 2133 (PC4 17000) Server Memory Model CT4K16G4RFD4213 > $463
____ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6ZP3R86423&cm_re=64GB_DDR4_ECC-_-20-148-843-_-Product

5. GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 04G-P4-2983-KR 4GB SC GAMING w/ACX 2.0, 26% Cooler and 36% Quieter Cooling Graphics Card > $500
___ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487079&cm_re=gtx_980-_-14-487-079-_-Product

6. Drive 1: Samsung SM951 512GB (NVMe) MZVPV512HDGL-00000 MZ-VPV5120 Gen3 M.2 80mm PCIe 3.0 x4 512G SSD with a SSD protective case - OEM> $380

____http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA12K3MH3372&cm_re=samsung_nvme-_-9SIA12K3MH3372-_-Product

7. Drive 2: Western Digital Black 2 TB SATA III 7200 RPM 64 MB Cache Bulk/OEM Desktop Hard Drive, Black, WD2003FZEX> $140 (Files, Backup, System Image)

8. PSU: CORSAIR RMx RM750X 750W ATX12V / EPS12V 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Power Supply> $120

____ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139142

9. Optical Drive: Pioneer Black 16X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 12X BD-ROM 4MB Cache SATA Blu-ray Burner BDR-209DBK > $64

10. Case: LIAN LI PC-A75X No Power Supply ATX Full Tower Case (Black) CA-A75 $179.99

11. Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit w/ SP1 (1-Pack, DVD), OEM MSFQC04649 $138.99

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TOTAL = $3,575 or $4,229 with E5-1680 v3

It's a question whether the much faster E5-1680 v3 is worth the extra $650 in terms of time-saving, but the performance can be really, really good:

Passmark Baselines:

1. E5-1660 v3 > ASUS X99-E WS > 128GB RAM > Firepro> Samsung SMSM951 M.2 256GB
Rating = 5282 / CPU=17576 / 2D = 731 / 3D = 5636 / Mem = 2756 > Disk = 6292


2. E5-1680 v3 > ASUS X99-E WS > 128GB RAM > GTX 980 > Samsung SMSM951 M.2 512GB
Rating = 6537 / CPU=21041 / 2D = 848 / 3D = 9739 / Mem = 3118 > Disk = 11643

These are not direct comparisons because the GPU's are different, but the key is the CPU score and the comparable disk scores. A CPU score of 21041 is the highest I've ever seen for a single CPU having less than 12-cores. A pair of Xeon E5-2643 v3's scores 20198 and that's 2X 6-core @ 3.4 /3.7 and cost $3,180.

As you have a very good GPU - the GTX 780, it might be possible to use the above components as the upgrade. Subtracting the GPU -$500, PSU - $120, Case - $180, and reuse the WD Blacks for storage -$140 means as an upgrade this would cost $2641 or $3284 with the E5-1680 v3.

If work requires a really top-performing system running 12-bit displays and 5K, that's certainly possible in the $6,000 budget, and would use dual Xeons. There is a new series of Xeon E5-2600 v4's which will be 14nm and have up to 22 cores. Some are said to be released already- but I've only heard of one rogue engineering sample E5-2699 v4 that someone blew up- and others will be out 2nd quarter 2016. One of the future v4's is the "Xeon E5-2602 v4" quad core @ 5.1GHz- and 165W- speaking of cooling concerns. I'd like to test drive a couple of those. I mention this as it might suggest getting your current system working reliably a couple months could delay and make the upgrade a more future-looking project.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

1. HP z420 (2015) > Xeon E5-1660 v2 (6-core @ 3.7 / 4.0GHz) > 32GB DDR3 1866 ECC RAM > Quadro K4200 (4GB) > Intel 730 480GB (9SSDSC2BP480G4R5) > Western Digital Black WD1003FZEX 1TB> M-Audio 192 sound card > 600W PSU> > Windows 7 Professional 64-bit > Logitech z2300 speakers > 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H (2560 X 1440)>
[ Passmark Rating = 5064 > CPU= 13989 / 2D= 819 / 3D= 4596 / Mem= 2772 / Disk= 4555] [Cinebench R15 > CPU = 1014 OpenGL= 126.59 FPS] 7.8.15

Pending upgrade: HP /LSI 9212-4i PCIe SAS /SATA HBA RAID controller, 2X Seagate Constellation ES.3 1TB (RAID 1)

2. Dell Precision T5500 (2011) > 2X Xeon X5680 (6 -core @ 3.33 / 3.6GHz), 48GB DDR3 1333 ECC Reg. > Quadro K2200 (4GB ) > PERC H310 / Samsung 840 250GB / WD RE4 Enterprise 1TB > M-Audio 192 sound card > 875W PSU > Windows 7 Professional 64> HP 2711x (27", 1920 X 1080)
[ Passmark system rating = 3844 / CPU = 15047 / 2D= 662 / 3D= 3500 / Mem= 1785 / Disk= 2649] (12.30.15)