After changing the motherboard xp won't load - urgent help..

[Guest]

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I have just had to replace the motherboard in a machine that I recently built
as the original one failed after just over a month. Unfortunately the new
board is not the same model and now xp (with service pack 2 installed) won't
load. Whilst I could reinstall I don't want to lose my data as I didn't have
time to backup my files. Can anyone help I'm getting desparate I need to get
to this data and don't have access to another motherboard the same model as
before.

 

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Wendy E wrote:
> I have just had to replace the motherboard in a machine that I
> recently built as the original one failed after just over a month.
> Unfortunately the new board is not the same model and now xp (with
> service pack 2 installed) won't load. Whilst I could reinstall I
> don't want to lose my data as I didn't have time to backup my files.
> Can anyone help I'm getting desparate I need to get to this data and
> don't have access to another motherboard the same model as before.


Normally, and assuming a retail license (many OEM installations
and licenses are not transferable to a new motherboard - check yours
before starting), unless the new motherboard is virtually identical
(same chipset, same IDE controllers, same BIOS version, etc.) to the
one on which the WinXP installation was originally performed, you'll
need to perform a repair (a.k.a. in-place upgrade) installation, at
the very least:

How to Perform an In-Place Upgrade of Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/directory/article.asp?ID=KB;EN-US;Q315341

The "why" is quite simple, really, and has nothing to do with
licensing issues, per se; it's a purely technical matter, at this
point. You've pulled the proverbial hardware rug out from under the
OS. (If you don't like -- or get -- the rug analogy, think of it as
picking up a Cape Cod style home and then setting it down onto a Ranch
style foundation. It just isn't going to fit.) WinXP, like Win2K
before it, is not nearly as "promiscuous" as Win9x when it comes to
accepting any old hardware configuration you throw at it. On
installation it "tailors" itself to the specific hardware found. This
is one of the reasons that the entire WinNT/2K/XP OS family is so much
more stable than the Win9x group.

As always when undertaking such a significant change, back up any
important data before starting.

This will also probably require re-activation, unless you have a
Volume Licensed version of WinXP Pro installed. If it's been more
than 120 days since you last activated that specific Product Key,
you'll most likely be able to activate via the internet without
problem. If it's been less, you might have to make a 5 minute phone
call.

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[Guest]

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Hello Wendy

You will need your windows xp cd to fix that.
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;Q315341&ID=KB;EN-US;Q315341


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Michael Ortega

"Wendy E" <Wendy E@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2D8D5CD4-D8B2-482F-8635-BCE51C6FBB95@microsoft.com...
>I have just had to replace the motherboard in a machine that I recently
>built
> as the original one failed after just over a month. Unfortunately the new
> board is not the same model and now xp (with service pack 2 installed)
> won't
> load. Whilst I could reinstall I don't want to lose my data as I didn't
> have
> time to backup my files. Can anyone help I'm getting desparate I need to
> get
> to this data and don't have access to another motherboard the same model
> as
> before.

 

[Guest]

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Thanks Michael I did try that but didn't continue as I have data I didn't
want to lose I thought I would ask for help first. Anyhow I have managed to
obtain another motherboard the same model as the original which I have
ordered so I should be alright once that is installed. I'll then back up the
data and decide which board I want to use and repartition the hard drive and
reinstall it so that I have 2 partitions and won't have this problem again.

"Michael Ortega" wrote:

> Hello Wendy
>
> You will need your windows xp cd to fix that.
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;Q315341&ID=KB;EN-US;Q315341
>
>
> --
> -----------------------------------------
> Michael Ortega
>
> "Wendy E" <Wendy E@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:2D8D5CD4-D8B2-482F-8635-BCE51C6FBB95@microsoft.com...
> >I have just had to replace the motherboard in a machine that I recently
> >built
> > as the original one failed after just over a month. Unfortunately the new
> > board is not the same model and now xp (with service pack 2 installed)
> > won't
> > load. Whilst I could reinstall I don't want to lose my data as I didn't
> > have
> > time to backup my files. Can anyone help I'm getting desparate I need to
> > get
> > to this data and don't have access to another motherboard the same model
> > as
> > before.
>
>
>

 

[Guest]

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Wendy;
After a motherboard replacement, a Repair Installation is usually
required to properly detect the new hardware:
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/repaxp.htm

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Wendy E" <Wendy E@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2D8D5CD4-D8B2-482F-8635-BCE51C6FBB95@microsoft.com...
>I have just had to replace the motherboard in a machine that I
>recently built
> as the original one failed after just over a month. Unfortunately
> the new
> board is not the same model and now xp (with service pack 2
> installed) won't
> load. Whilst I could reinstall I don't want to lose my data as I
> didn't have
> time to backup my files. Can anyone help I'm getting desparate I
> need to get
> to this data and don't have access to another motherboard the same
> model as
> before.

 

[bar]

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Wendy, don't follow the advice of Bruce, it is off the mark.

JJ has the correct story. The Repair install will reset XP to the new
hardware environment and also back to the state of your install disk - XP
basic, XP SP1 - so SP2 will need to be reinstalled.

Repair Install to SET XP to New Motherboard
1. Do Not BOOT into Windows XP on first boot after Motherboard or Hard Drive
change! If booting from CD is not an option, return to BIOS and make sure
booting from CD is the first boot option.

2. If your computer does not support booting from the CD, check your OEM or
Motherboard makers web site for updated BIOS.

3. Perform a Repair Install by following the step by step below.

Wen you see the "Welcome To Setup" screen, you will see the options below
This portion of the Setup program prepares Microsoft Windows XP to run on
your computer:

To setup Windows XP now, press ENTER.

To repair a Windows XP installation using Recovery Console, press R.

To quit Setup without installing Windows XP, press F3.

Press Enter to start the Windows Setup.

Accept the License Agreement and Windows will search for existing Windows
installations.

Select the XP installation you want to repair from the list and press R to
start the repair.

Setup will copy the necessary files to the hard drive and reboot. Do not
press any key to boot from CD when the message appears. Setup will continue
as if it were doing a clean install, but your applications and settings will
remain intact.

Blaster worm warning: Do not immediately activate over the internet when
asked, enable the XP firewall before connecting to the internet. You can
activate after the firewall is enabled. Control Panel - Network Connections.
Right click the connection you use, Properties, and there is a check box on
the advanced page.

Reapply updates or service packs applied since initial Windows XP
installation.

Activation
What happens when you change a motherboard or move a hard drive depends on
the accumulated changes made within a 120 day period since initial
activation.

It also depends on the version of Windows XP intended for the move.

Retail versions of XP
Rtail versions of XP can be moved from and reinstalled as many times as you
want as long as it is in compliance with the EULA. The EULA states: You may
install, use, access, display and run one copy of the Software on a single
computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device ("Workstation
Computer")

OEM versions of XP
1. OEM versions of XP preinstalled on systems according to the OEM EULA
cannot be transferred to another computer[or new Motherboard]. This is
defined in the EULA.
2. OEM versions sold with a piece of hardware are thought to be tied to the
original computer it is installed on.


For clarification: Contact
Microsoft Corporate and Legal Affairs
Microsoft Corporation
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052-6399
USA




"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> Wendy;
> After a motherboard replacement, a Repair Installation is usually
> required to properly detect the new hardware:
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/repaxp.htm
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
>
>
> "Wendy E" <Wendy E@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:2D8D5CD4-D8B2-482F-8635-BCE51C6FBB95@microsoft.com...
> >I have just had to replace the motherboard in a machine that I
> >recently built
> > as the original one failed after just over a month. Unfortunately
> > the new
> > board is not the same model and now xp (with service pack 2
> > installed) won't
> > load. Whilst I could reinstall I don't want to lose my data as I
> > didn't have
> > time to backup my files. Can anyone help I'm getting desparate I
> > need to get
> > to this data and don't have access to another motherboard the same
> > model as
> > before.
>
>
>

 

[Guest]

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Thanks for this it answers my question particularly regarding my data. Since
it will leave this intact I will try this now. As far as activation is
concerned it is less than 120 days as it was only the 29 of August that I
built the machine up and it was a retail version rather than an oem version
so I know I'm ok there. As I said to Mchael I had got as far as that but
didn't know if I would lose my data so I came out of it. I will try this now
especially since I have realised what the administrator password was - the
password I put in when I installed it - right. I don't worry about the
security because I have Norton firewall on there too, but this is very
useful. The board that I have ordered will be useful as a spare anyway and
it only cost £27 so it was reasonable anyway. Thanks again.

"BAR" wrote:

> Wendy, don't follow the advice of Bruce, it is off the mark.
>
> JJ has the correct story. The Repair install will reset XP to the new
> hardware environment and also back to the state of your install disk - XP
> basic, XP SP1 - so SP2 will need to be reinstalled.
>
> Repair Install to SET XP to New Motherboard
> 1. Do Not BOOT into Windows XP on first boot after Motherboard or Hard Drive
> change! If booting from CD is not an option, return to BIOS and make sure
> booting from CD is the first boot option.
>
> 2. If your computer does not support booting from the CD, check your OEM or
> Motherboard makers web site for updated BIOS.
>
> 3. Perform a Repair Install by following the step by step below.
>
> Wen you see the "Welcome To Setup" screen, you will see the options below
> This portion of the Setup program prepares Microsoft Windows XP to run on
> your computer:
>
> To setup Windows XP now, press ENTER.
>
> To repair a Windows XP installation using Recovery Console, press R.
>
> To quit Setup without installing Windows XP, press F3.
>
> Press Enter to start the Windows Setup.
>
> Accept the License Agreement and Windows will search for existing Windows
> installations.
>
> Select the XP installation you want to repair from the list and press R to
> start the repair.
>
> Setup will copy the necessary files to the hard drive and reboot. Do not
> press any key to boot from CD when the message appears. Setup will continue
> as if it were doing a clean install, but your applications and settings will
> remain intact.
>
> Blaster worm warning: Do not immediately activate over the internet when
> asked, enable the XP firewall before connecting to the internet. You can
> activate after the firewall is enabled. Control Panel - Network Connections.
> Right click the connection you use, Properties, and there is a check box on
> the advanced page.
>
> Reapply updates or service packs applied since initial Windows XP
> installation.
>
> Activation
> What happens when you change a motherboard or move a hard drive depends on
> the accumulated changes made within a 120 day period since initial
> activation.
>
> It also depends on the version of Windows XP intended for the move.
>
> Retail versions of XP
> Rtail versions of XP can be moved from and reinstalled as many times as you
> want as long as it is in compliance with the EULA. The EULA states: You may
> install, use, access, display and run one copy of the Software on a single
> computer, such as a workstation, terminal or other device ("Workstation
> Computer")
>
> OEM versions of XP
> 1. OEM versions of XP preinstalled on systems according to the OEM EULA
> cannot be transferred to another computer[or new Motherboard]. This is
> defined in the EULA.
> 2. OEM versions sold with a piece of hardware are thought to be tied to the
> original computer it is installed on.
>
>
> For clarification: Contact
> Microsoft Corporate and Legal Affairs
> Microsoft Corporation
> One Microsoft Way
> Redmond, WA 98052-6399
> USA
>
>
>
>
> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
>
> > Wendy;
> > After a motherboard replacement, a Repair Installation is usually
> > required to properly detect the new hardware:
> > http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/repaxp.htm
> >
> > --
> > Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> > http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/
> >
> >
> > "Wendy E" <Wendy E@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > news:2D8D5CD4-D8B2-482F-8635-BCE51C6FBB95@microsoft.com...
> > >I have just had to replace the motherboard in a machine that I
> > >recently built
> > > as the original one failed after just over a month. Unfortunately
> > > the new
> > > board is not the same model and now xp (with service pack 2
> > > installed) won't
> > > load. Whilst I could reinstall I don't want to lose my data as I
> > > didn't have
> > > time to backup my files. Can anyone help I'm getting desparate I
> > > need to get
> > > to this data and don't have access to another motherboard the same
> > > model as
> > > before.
> >
> >
> >

 

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"BAR" <BAR@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
newsB17F69C-92EE-4915-8C85-602175EB476D@microsoft.com...
> Repair Install to SET XP to New Motherboard
> 1. Do Not BOOT into Windows XP on first boot after Motherboard or Hard
> Drive
> change! If booting from CD is not an option, return to BIOS and make sure
> booting from CD is the first boot option.
(snip)

BAR:

In your excellent step-by-step instructions to the OP for carrying out a
Repair install, you caution against an initial boot following a
motherboard/hard drive change. I've seen the same cautionary note from other
posters as well. Indeed, the Michael Steven's site, probably the most often
recommended site for information on performing a Repair install also
contains this advice. I've even come across statements to the effect that an
initial boot before undertaking a Repair install could be "fatal", (whatever
that means).

Would you be good enough to explain why you believe this initial boot can
cause problems? I raise this issue since I've had occasion to undertake
perhaps 50 Repair installs on various machines after a motherboard/hard
drive/processor/RAM, etc. change and I ALWAYS attempt an initial boot
immediately following the change. Admittedly, in the vast majority of cases
the system will not boot, however, in a few cases the system will boot,
notwithstanding the fact that major components were changed and presumably
the system should not have booted. But it did. And by so doing, the rather
lengthy Repair install proved unnecessary. Should the initial boot fail, I
proceed, of course, with a Repair install. I have never come across a single
instance where performing a failed initial boot caused any subsequent
problems of the OS that could be traced to a failed first boot in this
situation.

I would appreciate your further comments on this issue.

Art

 

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BAR wrote:
> Wendy, don't follow the advice of Bruce, it is off the mark.
>


How so? Please provide specific technical details.

--

Bruce Chambers

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You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
having
both at once. - RAH

 

[Guest]

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I think he was probably just saying that you hadn't answered my question. I
already knew the information you gave, infact if you reread my post you will
see that I state that by saying that I didn't have access to a board of the
same model. However, I have managed to obtain one on ebay so problem solved.
I mainly wanted to know if it is possible to get my data off. By the way, I
have retail copy of xp so know that I can legally transfer it. Thanks for
taking the time to help anyway.

"Bruce Chambers" wrote:

> BAR wrote:
> > Wendy, don't follow the advice of Bruce, it is off the mark.
> >
>
>
> How so? Please provide specific technical details.
>
> --
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on
> having
> both at once. - RAH
>
>
>
>