News AI PCs aren't driving sales — The need to upgrade from Windows 10 drove 2025 laptop sales

[Admin]

Laptop sales seen to grow by 4.9% next year, largely driven by need to upgrade from Windows 10 as OS hits end of life.

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[Sleepy_Hollowed]

Absolutely no one needs these.

 

[hotaru251]

"ai pc" was just attempt at monetizing "ai"because surprise surprise....most people dont care and these companies are spending so much to invest and use it and they want to make profit from it.

outside niche uses (i.e. having an it move a bunch of data from a file to a doc w/ structure) theres no real world use for it to any normal person.

 

[DS426]

The commercial PC market is also slower to get AI PC's and more often than not, it's clearly an upselling tactic as they come with a noticeable price premium.

I don't think commercial AI PC sales can even be practically evaluated for market penetration until the end of Q1 2025.

 

[tommo1982]

There's also lack of trust in AI as a tool to mine data by the companies and monetize on their users. An AI would be useful as addition to video games, i.e. NPC's, or controling home appliances. The second needs to be local and never connected to the internet, otherwise one is asking to be hacked or abused by the manufacturers.

 

[RxBrad]

While I don't disagree with the likelihood of this, I'm mostly just impressed by Tom's ability to predict the future.

The need to upgrade from Windows 10 drove 2025 laptop sales​

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

AI is a gimmick, the vast majority of people see it for what it is.

There shouldn't be any surprise that it's effects are minor.

 

[jp7189]

There's also lack of trust in AI as a tool to mine data by the companies and monetize on their users. An AI would be useful as addition to video games, i.e. NPC's, or controling home appliances. The second needs to be local and never connected to the internet, otherwise one is asking to be hacked or abused by the manufacturers.

"Works with Alexa" is ubiquitous, and pretty much the opposite of everything you just said.

 

[bourgeoisdude]

Absolutely no one needs these.

Ditto.

Even Co-Pilot does not require an "AI PC". As someone who works in IT, I have only had one question about it, along the lines of "What is the benefit of an AI PC?" I honestly didn't have a good answer for them.

 

[tommo1982]

"Works with Alexa" is ubiquitous, and pretty much the opposite of everything you just said.

I know. I never had Alexa or Siri. When I read it needs to be connected to servers it was instant no-go.
NPU's in recent AMD and Intel CPU's are said to be enough to drive local simple AI. Haven't heard actually anyone advertising on that.

 

[tommo1982]

Ditto.

Even Co-Pilot does not require an "AI PC". As someone who works in IT, I have only had one question about it, along the lines of "What is the benefit of an AI PC?" I honestly didn't have a good answer for them.

I read through advertisement on some of the AI enabled laptops and couldn't answer what is this AI for, to myself.

 

[USAFRet]

We had a junior dev that is so far down the AI rabbit hole, I'm worried that he'll never be found again.

College classes, daily "stuff", wanting it to write code for him...

He was PISSED when I banned any "AI" generated code from our projects.
"Dude, you need to know how to do this yourself, before depending on an AI to do it for you" (among a LOT of other reasons)

 

[bigdragon]

I am so tired of AI. AI happily and confidently spits out completely wrong responses so often that I wind up spending more time checking its responses than I would have if I had just done the thing or looked up something myself. Putting a "wrong answer" button on a shiny new PC wouldn't drive me to buy -- only specs matter to me. PC manufacturers need to get back to hyping specs instead of useless features.

 

[robbro9]

Glad yall have the same questions of "What do I need this for?" as I was about to ask, yet no real good answer on consumer level hardware/pc's. Probably gonna cruise on my current AM4 hardware as long as Win11 is supported...

 

[hotaru251]

College classes, daily "stuff", wanting it to write code for him...

thats issue with ai coding...if you dont know how to do it properly you can't tell when ai does it incorrectly.

 

[USAFRet]

thats issue with ai coding...if you dont know how to do it properly you can't tell when ai does it incorrectly.

Absolutely.
And some of his stuff was utter crap.

Crawl, walk, run, Olympics.

People think the AI can get them to the run stage all at once.

 

[dimar]

They'll abandon Windows support in 3 years and those AI PCs will end up as eWaste. I expect a Windows computer to last at least 10 years.

 

[Rakanyshu]

Absolutely.
And some of his stuff was utter crap.

Crawl, walk, run, Olympics.

People think the AI can get them to the run stage all at once.

Serious question: Do you think an AI agent or companion could be an effective tool for learning to code? For someone who doesn’t enjoy reading books, perhaps a chat-based interaction could be helpful.

I’m curious about how AI could be best utilized in coding education—especially for beginners. In the coming years, it seems likely that people who haven’t cracked open a book will still be doing all kinds of jobs thanks to tools like these.

 

[USAFRet]

Serious question: Do you think an AI agent or companion could be an effective tool for learning to code? For someone who doesn’t enjoy reading books, perhaps a chat-based interaction could be helpful.

I’m curious about how AI could be best utilized in coding education—especially for beginners. In the coming years, it seems likely that people who haven’t cracked open a book will still be doing all kinds of jobs thanks to tools like these.

Not from what I've seen, no.

A major part of the AI thing is the human has to know how to phrase the question.

The ChatBots will spout an answer, depending on your question. A wrong question will give a poor resulting answer.

Often, the inclusion or exclusion of a single word can change the tone of the Chatbot response.

ex: A few months ago, a thread in here was talking about using a Windows XP box as an FTP server, and how to set it up.
Human answer: "Don't do that. At all. Horribly insecure."

ChatBot answer: "Here are the specific steps to set it up."

Adding a single word: "...public FTP server..."
ChatBot answer: "That is very insecure, but here are the steps to set it up."


If you don't know what you're doing, you can't tell when the AI bot is giving you a poor answer.

 

[tommo1982]

Serious question: Do you think an AI agent or companion could be an effective tool for learning to code? For someone who doesn’t enjoy reading books, perhaps a chat-based interaction could be helpful.

I’m curious about how AI could be best utilized in coding education—especially for beginners. In the coming years, it seems likely that people who haven’t cracked open a book will still be doing all kinds of jobs thanks to tools like these.

Tough luck then. You need to read documentation to understand why code doesn't work. AI won't understand it for you. A good programmer needs to read, and sometimes a lot. You ain't gonna be smarter than the people who invented programming language and reinvent the wheel.

 

[USAFRet]

And an application is far more than just the code.

Upfront design, and often figuring out what the customer/user is actually wanting to do.
Which is very often not what they verbally ask for.

 

[Ferlucio]

Still don't see how this isn't a oligopoly like collusion between MS and hardware makers.

 

[mac_angel]

I think most people that are tech savvy don't want Ai laptops. It's a BS marketing hype that is just another form of collecting your personal information.
I also don't think most people want to upgrade from Windows 10; but M$ is trying to force everyone, because again, it comes with a lot more tracking BS built in, including key-loggers.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

We had a junior dev that is so far down the AI rabbit hole, I'm worried that he'll never be found again.

College classes, daily "stuff", wanting it to write code for him...

He was PISSED when I banned any "AI" generated code from our projects.
"Dude, you need to know how to do this yourself, before depending on an AI to do it for you" (among a LOT of other reasons)

Oh, I 100% agree. WAY too many people are trying to use AI as a short-cut for learning how to do things the right way.

It's going to BACK-FIRE so hard on so many folks who don't have solid fundamentals.

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Absolutely.
And some of his stuff was utter crap.

Crawl, walk, run, Olympics.

People think the AI can get them to the run stage all at once.

Oh, some folks think that AI can get them run the Triathalon for them at a Olympic level.

It's so delusional that it's sad that so many folks keep looking at it as a magic Short-Cut Box.

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Still don't see how this isn't a oligopoly like collusion between MS and hardware makers.

It 100% is, it's been that way for DECADES.

The only people who can't see it are naive, stupid, or wishfully blind.

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I think most people that are tech savvy don't want Ai laptops. It's a BS marketing hype that is just another form of collecting your personal information.
I also don't think most people want to upgrade from Windows 10; but M$ is trying to force everyone, because again, it comes with a lot more tracking BS built in, including key-loggers.

All that tracking BS is being pushed hard by internal MS PM's who want to point at KPI's on their DashBoard that shows they're making more $$ for MS so they can get a bonus.

As a Ex-MS employee, I know how they think. It's alot of Self-Centered PM's who are screwing around with the OS for their own Personal Gain. That's why MS screws up every other Windows OS.

Just go back and look at Windows OS version history, which ones are good, which ones are bad.

 

[jackt]

People move to Linux pleasee!