News AI Tools Take Chip Design Industry by Storm: 200+ Chips Tape Out

[Admin]

Synopsys says over 200 chips have been developed using its DSO.ai place and route EDA solution.

AI Tools Take Chip Design Industry by Storm: 200+ Chips Tape Out : Read more

 

[NinoPino]

I understand that AI can help, but someone can explain what manufacturing stage is improved and in which way ?

 

[tennis2]

no place for mistake and human beings, unlike AI, are prone to make mistakes

Bold statement.

 

[JTWrenn]

I understand that AI can help, but someone can explain what manufacturing stage is improved and in which way ?

Probably something that is present in every stage for some part or another. Likely used as double checks or optimizations for layouts, or maybe even as a debugger. Used to recommend things when people get stumped on some part of a project. Used to create rough drafts that are then tweaked by humans. Used to do something complex for a human to apply but that has been done before like say reorganizing a group of data a way it was done before that couldn't be done with a normal algorithm but ai can mimic.

In short as a tool in every step rather than to completely take over any step.

 

[tamalero]

Bold statement.

Agree, I always laugh when they claim that "AI" does not make mistakes.

Specially when its not true AI... and it only spits things it has been fed with.

 

[Phaaze88]

Does not make mistakes, when those who made them are flawed by design... that imperfection is what makes humans perfect.
Even if AI were to make another AI, it's still flawed.

 

[digitalgriffin]

Synopsys says over 200 chips have been developed using its DSO.ai place and route EDA solution.

AI Tools Take Chip Design Industry by Storm: 200+ Chips Tape Out : Read more

When the machines start designing themselves mankind will begin to fall.

 

[digitalgriffin]

Probably something that is present in every stage for some part or another. Likely used as double checks or optimizations for layouts, or maybe even as a debugger. Used to recommend things when people get stumped on some part of a project. Used to create rough drafts that are then tweaked by humans. Used to do something complex for a human to apply but that has been done before like say reorganizing a group of data a way it was done before that couldn't be done with a normal algorithm but ai can mimic.

In short as a tool in every step rather than to completely take over any step.

Every chip has functional blocks or sub systems. Placing these systems by hand were guesses like which would have the least signal propagation time, or best path for high current passageways. Apu here, look ahead buffer there. Decoder here, cache there, ooe rendering ther, security there, memory controller there....

There are tons of these logic blocks. They used to be placed by hand with some intuition based off experience and some rough numbers. AI does a better job at placement.

 

[JTWrenn]

Every chip has functional blocks or sub systems. Placing these systems by hand were guesses like which would have the least signal propagation time, or best path for high current passageways. Apu here, look ahead buffer there. Decoder here, cache there, ooe rendering ther, security there, memory controller there....

There are tons of these logic blocks. They used to be placed by hand with some intuition based off experience and some rough numbers. AI does a better job at placement.

Yup, as I said " Likely used as double checks or optimizations for layouts, or maybe even as a debugger"

 

[bit_user]

In short as a tool in every step rather than to completely take over any step.

I think that's not accurate. It's probably used for placement & routing, exclusively.

Sort of like how programmers tend to use compilers, instead of hand-coding assembly language. Not a perfect analogy, but the point is that nobody is taking compiler output as a "first pass" and then tweaking it by hand.

I always laugh when they claim that "AI" does not make mistakes.

The resulting design is already subjected to a validation process, when humans do it. So, they would simply do the same with AI-driven process.

that imperfection is what makes humans perfect.

Human fallibility is no virtue, in engineering or manufacturing.

 

[Phaaze88]

Human fallibility is no virtue, in engineering or manufacturing.

Yes? I just don't believe in perfection.

 

[bit_user]

Yes? I just don't believe in perfection.

Yeah, the article is weird to even talk about that. The resulting design has to meet its timing targets. You wouldn't fab a chip without checking that, whether designed by humans or AI.

What's interesting is that they're also talking about using AI in verification, which suggests there are some difficult-to-measure factors that tend to defy conventional verification approaches.

 

[JTWrenn]

I think that's not accurate. It's probably used for placement & routing, exclusively.

Sort of like how programmers tend to use compilers, instead of hand-coding assembly language. Not a perfect analogy, but the point is that nobody is taking compiler output as a "first pass" and then tweaking it by hand.

For now maybe but it will be coming.