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It's about time we drop support for 5 year old cards on top titles. All it does is add performance issues for newer cards, to accommodate older cards.

I get it sucks for those with 1000 cards or older but at the same time there has to be a point when older hardware has served it's life.

I am sure my opinion will not be popular for many with older hardware.
 
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vanadiel007 said:
I am sure my opinion will not be popular for many with older hardware.
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A glance at the latest Steam hardware survey suggests that those ancient museum pieces account for about a quarter of the current PC games market. Given the state of the GPU market for the last five years, I'm actually surprised that isn't higher.
 
vanadiel007 said:
It's about time we drop support for 5 year old cards on top titles. All it does is add performance issues for newer cards, to accommodate older cards.

I get it sucks for those with 1000 cards or older but at the same time there has to be a point when older hardware has served it's life.

I am sure my opinion will not be popular for many with older hardware.
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I agree even if those old cards were supported you probably looking at 720 60fps or 1080 30fps experience yuck!
 
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I really hope my RX 6800 can run this game at 1080p ultra without upscaling. I don't really like being forced to use upscaling to achieve a playable frame rate. The only game I use upscaling in is in Minecraft RTX because I want to get 60 fps and upscaling also sharpens it meaning it is not blurry like it is at native, not to mention with how pixelated Minecraft is already you can't really even notice it anyway.
 
vanadiel007 said:
It's about time we drop support for 5 year old cards on top titles. All it does is add performance issues for newer cards, to accommodate older cards.
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...or devs can just do their job?
also even IF you cut off 5 yr old gpu (which are still good gpu btw) doesnt mean dev will optimize game properly.

Devs cutting corners is a growing trend.


imagine paying 4090 pricing and in 5yrs being told "frick you your old so we dont care"
"“In theory the vertex shader path is implemented but had lots of perf issues and bugs, [so] we just dropped it.”"
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is a lazy reason imho. rather than fix it they drop it.

They could of even implemented its buggy self as a "low" setting...letting ppl play even if not ideal experience.


GPU last more than 5 yrs.
1060 & 1080 ti are proof of it.
1060 was mot popular gpu for yrs while 1080 ti was a powerhouse even over newer generation (2080)
 
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hotaru251 said:
...or devs can just do their job?
also even IF you cut off 5 yr old gpu (which are still good gpu btw) doesnt mean dev will optimize game properly.

Devs cutting corners is a growing trend.





is a lazy reason imho. rather than fix it they drop it.

They could of even implemented its buggy self as a "low" setting...letting ppl play even if not ideal experience.


GPU last more than 5 yrs.
1060 & 1080 ti are proof of it.
1060 was mot popular gpu for yrs while 1080 ti was a powerhouse even over newer generation (2080)
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not necessarily lazy devs, but strict deadlines imposed by the studios don't give devs enough time to optimize their games.
 
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vanadiel007 said:
It's about time we drop support for 5 year old cards on top titles. All it does is add performance issues for newer cards, to accommodate older cards.

I get it sucks for those with 1000 cards or older but at the same time there has to be a point when older hardware has served it's life.

I am sure my opinion will not be popular for many with older hardware.
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And yet when Microsoft does this for the OS (Windows 11), people bring out the pitchforks.
 
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vanadiel007 said:
It's about time we drop support for 5 year old cards on top titles. All it does is add performance issues for newer cards, to accommodate older cards.

I get it sucks for those with 1000 cards or older but at the same time there has to be a point when older hardware has served it's life.

I am sure my opinion will not be popular for many with older hardware.
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Yes, if they don't want to sell a lot of games that's the best thing to do.
 
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While I can understand trying to push better graphics, a quick glance at steam hardware surveys shows that over 20% of the users would not be able to play this game.
In my case, i am still using a 1080 (my laptop has a 6800m thou). I loved Alan Wake 1, but in my case I have a backlog of probably 50 games to play.
I can wait till GPU upgrades actually feel worth it for me (Meaning either getting 120FPS+ in UE5 or similar at 1440p and not costing 1000 dollars).

EDIT: Oh, and while I am at it, I will probably get it on steam. I don't hate EPIC (in fact I think they are a net positive overall), but their store does not look very safe to buy things in. At least Steam gives you the option to NOT save your payment data.
 
If it makes their game look really good and perform better with it, then that's fine.

If it looks the same and performs worse, then it's a crap-shoot and their sales figures will suffer dearly.

Also, the "it's hard" excuse they gave makes me think the message wasn't well thought out. We consumers don't really care about that, but we do care about if it'll run in our machines without having to spend a stupid amount of money just to play the game, on top of paying for the game itself. I'm not too sympathetic on the "it's hard" excuse, TBH. I get it, for sure and agree, but I don't think it looks good when Devs use it.

Regards.
 
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vanadiel007 said:
It's about time we drop support for 5 year old cards on top titles. All it does is add performance issues for newer cards, to accommodate older cards
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The real problem is that it's not only 5 year old GPUs that aren't supported. The RX 5000 series was only discontinued about 2 years ago.
I don't really like precedent set by Devs saying a two year old mid range GPU is too old to support.
 
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And yet when Microsoft does this for the OS (Windows 11), people bring out the pitchforks.
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That is because from a performance perspective, there's little to no noticeable performance difference between windows 10 and windows 11 and more than likely windows 12.

The same cannot be said from a GTX1000 series to a GTX3000 to a GTX4000 series.
 
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are you really comparing a GAME with an OS?
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Software is software.... if it requires new expensive HW to run every 3 years it's not an intellegent thing to spend money on. Also there is the ewaste consideration.... I am vaguely surprised no one calls Compulsive Upgrade Disorder sufferers Climate Criminals.... but then again (thing I will be censored for).
 
rambo919 said:
Software is software.... if it requires new expensive HW to run every 3 years it's not an intellegent thing to spend money on. Also there is the ewaste consideration.... I am vaguely surprised no one calls Compulsive Upgrade Disorder sufferers Climate Criminals.... but then again (thing I will be censored for).
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That is not the point.
and OS is a critical software that is uses to run many things.
A game is just a game.
 
tamalero said:
That is not the point.
and OS is a critical software that is uses to run many things.
A game is just a game.
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Critical or not, in this case the comparison is apt. The same patterns apply but because people give preferential treatment to one kind of software instead of applying universal standards the abuse is assured to continue. It's a matter of consistency.
 
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