News Alder Lake Comes To The Mighty Pentium Gold, Celeron CPUs

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Why produce more dual cores. People who want those should just get an older system or one of the many existing dual-core options. Would've loved to see some 6c/10t i3s. Is intel done with core i3 or what?
 
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Why produce more dual cores. People who want those should just get an older system or one of the many existing dual-core options. Would've loved to see some 6c/10t i3s. Is intel done with core i3 or what?
There will be an i3. There are plenty of uses for dual core parts. Intel primarily sells them to get something from parts that aren't good enough to sell as an i3 or higher (too many failed cores or wont clock high enough during testing). Especially early on when yield is worse, getting $70 is better than $0. Similarly, selling 'F' models lets them sell parts with defects in the iGPU.

Alder Lake for desktop is....
i9-12900 = 8P+8E (24 Threads)
i7-12700 = 8P+4E (20 Threads)
i5-12600 = 6P+4E (16 Threads)
i5-12400 = 6P+0E (12 Threads)
i3-12100 = 4P+0E (8 Threads)
Pentium = 2P+0E (4 Threads)
Celeron = 2P+0E (2 Threads)

Raptor Lake for desktop will be... (Q3 next year)
i9-13900 = 8P+16E (32 Threads)
i7-13700 = 8P+8E (24 Threads)
i5-13600 = 6P+8E (20 Threads)
i5-13400 = 6P+4E (16 Threads)
i3-13100 = 4P+0E (8 Threads)
Pentium = 2P+0E (4 Threads)
Celeron = 2P+0E (2 Threads)
 
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Not a fan of them continuing dual-core processors. My girlfriend's laptop has a 10th gen i3 that's dual core with hyper threading and in Windows 10, it feels sluggish.
 

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Whole lotta complaining going on around here about newly-minted dual cores.

Dual cores are plenty fast in daily usage on Linux, in any desktop. Especially when using Wayland. Might not play Crysis though. Windows is simply too unnecessarily heavy.
 
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Not a fan of them continuing dual-core processors. My girlfriend's laptop has a 10th gen i3 that's dual core with hyper threading and in Windows 10, it feels sluggish.
That's because of clock speeds that have to be lower on laptops due to heat, worse and probably single ram, and slow drive.
All things that most laptops have in common.
 

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What i am wondering is why they don´t use e-cores instead in these dirt cheap parts? I think that it would make more sense. Smaller chip, cheaper to produce also use less power.
Two core cpu with two e-cores, 64gb of really slow ssd and 4gb of ram in tiny box, could be sold at very cheap in the markets...
 
What i am wondering is why they don´t use e-cores instead in these dirt cheap parts? I think that it would make more sense. Smaller chip, cheaper to produce also use less power.
Two core cpu with two e-cores, 64gb of really slow ssd and 4gb of ram in tiny box, could be sold at very cheap in the markets...
Yeah but the ecores come in a quad core package, so they would have to be quad cores at least which would make the rest of the line up, well mostly the i3, look worse in comparison.
It would be great for the users but it will only happen as a trickle down effect when the core line is going to be much larger core-count than now.

Also probably using the ecores in higher margin products makes them more money while they only use the very lowest end pcores that they wouldn't be able to use otherwise in these low margin cpus.
 
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What i am wondering is why they don´t use e-cores instead in these dirt cheap parts? I think that it would make more sense. Smaller chip, cheaper to produce also use less power.
Two core cpu with two e-cores, 64gb of really slow ssd and 4gb of ram in tiny box, could be sold at very cheap in the markets...
You wouldn't save that much in die space or cost. The I/O and memory controller part of the chip probably takes as much space as 4 P cores or 16 E cores. The 32 EU desktop iGPU probably takes as much space as 3 P cores or 12 E Cores. the 96 EU mobile iGPU is 3 times bigger again. Once you get down to lower core counts most of the die space is taken up by other things anyway.
 
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There will be an i3. There are plenty of uses for dual core parts. Intel primarily sells them to get something from parts that aren't good enough to sell as an i3 or higher (too many failed cores or wont clock high enough during testing). Especially early on when yield is worse, getting $70 is better than $0. Similarly, selling 'F' models lets them sell parts with defects in the iGPU.

Alder Lake for desktop is....
i9-12900 = 8P+8E (24 Threads)
i7-12700 = 8P+4E (20 Threads)
i5-12600 = 6P+4E (16 Threads)
i5-12400 = 6P+0E (12 Threads)
i3-12100 = 4P+0E (8 Threads)
Pentium = 2P+0E (4 Threads)
Celeron = 2P+0E (2 Threads)

Raptor Lake for desktop will be... (Q3 next year)
i9-13900 = 8P+16E (32 Threads)
i7-13700 = 8P+8E (24 Threads)
i5-13600 = 6P+8E (20 Threads)
i5-13400 = 6P+4E (16 Threads)
i3-13100 = 4P+0E (8 Threads)
Pentium = 2P+0E (4 Threads)
Celeron = 2P+0E (2 Threads)
No single core atoms?
 

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That's because of clock speeds that have to be lower on laptops due to heat, worse and probably single ram, and slow drive.
All things that most laptops have in common.
It does hit over 4GHz in lightly threaded tasks, so it's not slouch in that department. I think it does have just single channel 8GB RAM and probably budget SSD.
 

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