All-In-Wonder & Vista

[Truisys]

I've been running Vista for the last few months, but just removed it and returned to XP since Vista has no All-In-Wonder drivers.

Anyone have any good news from AMD about supporting the ALL-In-Wonder line?

I have 3 expensive boards sitting here with no new driver support.

 

[suzukii]

I've been running Vista for the last few months, but just removed it and returned to XP since Vista has no All-In-Wonder drivers.

Anyone have any good news from AMD about supporting the ALL-In-Wonder line?

I have 3 expensive boards sitting here with no new driver support.

I thought these were the latest ALL-IN-WONDER drivers:
Click Here to check if these Are AIW Vista drivers you're looking for. 8O

They list the available drivers for the 32bit version of Vista starting from the 9600 All-In-Wonder boards up to the 1900 series.

PS: the 1000 series and up all use the same drivers the 1900's use.

 

[Truisys]

No, it will not install capture or Theater drivers, but only the GPU driver. It treats an All-In-Wonder like a regular Video Card minus all the multimedia options.
AMD/ATI/Microsoft sucks!

 

[suzukii]

No, it will not install capture or Theater drivers, but only the GPU driver. It treats an All-In-Wonder like a regular Video Card minus all the multimedia options.
AMD/ATI/Microsoft sucks!

THIS REALLY SUX!!!

 

[Aragorn]

That puts my Vista install off for a while. I'm not that sure I would have good lluck with my x600 AIW anyway, even if there was a good driver.

 

[chicagosoftplan]

No, it will not install capture or Theater drivers, but only the GPU driver. It treats an All-In-Wonder like a regular Video Card minus all the multimedia options.
AMD/ATI/Microsoft sucks!

Thats not true - multimedia works fine on my machine, and has since RC1. Try running driver cleaner and reinstall the driver

 

[Truisys]

No, it will not install capture or Theater drivers, but only the GPU driver. It treats an All-In-Wonder like a regular Video Card minus all the multimedia options.
AMD/ATI/Microsoft sucks!

Thats not true - multimedia works fine on my machine, and has since RC1. Try running driver cleaner and reinstall the driver

It's true. I'm was running RC1, and it didn't. I moved to RTM, did a clean install, and it's the same. Microsoft says it's AMD's fault for not releasin full drivers for AIW.

Vista loads it's media center, but it does not see the AIW tuner because ATI/AMD has not released the drivers.
Vista will however see the lone tuers like the standalone $49.00 tuners

 

[chicagosoftplan]

No, it will not install capture or Theater drivers, but only the GPU driver. It treats an All-In-Wonder like a regular Video Card minus all the multimedia options.
AMD/ATI/Microsoft sucks!

Thats not true - multimedia works fine on my machine, and has since RC1. Try running driver cleaner and reinstall the driver

It's true. I'm was running RC1, and it didn't. I moved to RTM, did a clean install, and it's the same. Microsoft says it's AMD's fault for not releasin full drivers for AIW.

Vista loads it's media center, but it does not see the AIW tuner because ATI/AMD has not released the drivers.
Vista will however see the lone tuers like the standalone $49.00 tuners

Then explain to me why and how ATI's multimedia center works on my machine with Vista?

 

[Truisys]

No, it will not install capture or Theater drivers, but only the GPU driver. It treats an All-In-Wonder like a regular Video Card minus all the multimedia options.
AMD/ATI/Microsoft sucks!

Thats not true - multimedia works fine on my machine, and has since RC1. Try running driver cleaner and reinstall the driver

It's true. I'm was running RC1, and it didn't. I moved to RTM, did a clean install, and it's the same. Microsoft says it's AMD's fault for not releasin full drivers for AIW.

Vista loads it's media center, but it does not see the AIW tuner because ATI/AMD has not released the drivers.
Vista will however see the lone tuers like the standalone $49.00 tuners

Then explain to me why and how ATI's multimedia center works on my machine with Vista?

Don't start me lying! 😉
This reviewer is seeing what I see.

As with previous ATI Catalyst beta releases, ATI Catalyst 7.1 only supports ATI Radeon 9500 series or higher graphics cards on the desktop and mobile-front. AMD ATI All-in-Wonder cards are only supported as a display device, VIVO features are unsupported on All-in-Wonder and VIVO capable cards at the time. ATI Theater 550 Pro based products are also supported, though the release notes make no mention of Theater 650-based products.

http://www.dailytech.com/AMD+Releases+ATI+Catalyst+71+for+Windows+Vista/article5902c.htm

 

[chicagosoftplan]

Why, and how would I start you lying? When I get home from work, I'll post a screen shot.

 

[Truisys]

Why, and how would I start you lying? When I get home from work, I'll post a screen shot.

Because I'd have to lie to explain to you why your tuner is working and others aren't. Perhaps it's due to new AIW cards using the Theater 650 chip which is not yet supported in Vista.
Who knows, I don't even know whcih board you are using.

 

[HotFoot]

I had an experience with ATi's All-in-Wonder card, but not specifically relating to Vista. I had it installed in an older machine running WindowsXP, and it worked fine. Then I moved it to another machine, with newer components and running WinXP and the card wouldn't work properly. I could get some very basic functionality, but the software just wouldn't install properly. I was baffled, because both computers were running the same OS. Eventually I pawned the capture card.

Maybe my situation helps explain the disparity between Truisys' and Chicagosoftplan's experiences. I think the All-in-Wonder is flaky to the point of conflicting with other video card drivers (the capture card I had was capture-only. I have a separate video card). The problems Truisys is having may have nothing to do with Vista. Then again, if Truisys is using a digital capture, Vista might require extra fudging of the signal due to DRM protection.

A quick search in Google for "x1800 Vista" results in this page at the top of the list. Apparently, this person contacted AMD and found out that Vista doesn't yet support video-in. Maybe this is specific to this card, but from what I've read Vista is designed to put controls on content copying. Their DRM scheme might take a while for AMD to program around.

 

[Truisys]

Maybe my situation helps explain the disparity between Truisys' and Chicagosoftplan's experiences. I think the All-in-Wonder is flaky to the point of conflicting with other video card drivers (the capture card I had was capture-only. I have a separate video card). The problems Truisys is having may have nothing to do with Vista. Then again, if Truisys is using a digital capture, Vista might require extra fudging of the signal due to DRM protection.

The problem is ATI/AMD have not released complete drivers for AIW. My AIW boards work fine under XP or 2000.
I have 2 systems running Win2000 with AIW, one running XP, and ran Vista RC1, RC2, and RTM on another. I just deleted Vista from this fourth machine due to it having zero value to me. Wish I could run OS-X!

Go to AMD/ATI website and they acknowledge that the problem is real. First they said they'd release operable drivers when Vista is released. Now they say they will release full Vista AIW drivers "in the future".

 

[Scribs]

No, it will not install capture or Theater drivers, but only the GPU driver. It treats an All-In-Wonder like a regular Video Card minus all the multimedia options.
AMD/ATI/Microsoft sucks!

Thats not true - multimedia works fine on my machine, and has since RC1. Try running driver cleaner and reinstall the driver

I have an X1900 AIW and can't for the life of me get any TV in function out of it since switching to vista recently. There is driver support, but from what I can tell it is as others have said where it only gives graphics card support and not the other tv tuner functions, etc. What is also frusterating is that I cant seem to get the Remote Wonder to work either, which was nice to have while watching movies and such.

By multimedia, do you mean that you watch mpg's or that your tv tuner is accessible? If you have the multimedia working on your computer, what programs did you install to have it? As far as I can tell, the suite of programs to use the tuner that are available for the AIW are not available for Vista.

 

[chicagosoftplan]

I've been watching T.V. on it with Vista. I'm not sure which driver I'm using though - it might be the beta and not 7.1. I'll check this evening.

 

[Truisys]

This thread is about All-In-Wonders. Sounds as if you don't have one.

 

[1haplo]

I e-mailed them and here is what i got:

All in Wonder Radeon Support
Currently, only the graphics portions for All in Wonder cards are supported in Windows Vista. This means that in Windows Vista, the TV tuner functionality of your All in Wonder card will not be available.
ALL-IN-WONDER BOARDS OPERATE WITH AMD'S WINDOWS VISTA-READY DISPLAY DRIVERS UNDER THE WINDOWS VISTA OPERATING SYSTEM. HOWEVER, THERE IS CURRENTLY NO SOFTWARE APPLICATION WHICH PROVIDES TV/CAPTURE FUNCTIONALITY FOR ALL-IN WONDER BOARDS UNDER WINDOWS VISTA
TV Tuner Support
Please note that these TV Tuners support all versions of Windows VistaT. The details are below:
Windows Vista Support Criteria & Availablity
WDM Driver Support Windows Media Center ATI Catalyst Media Center
TV Wonder 650 January 2007 January 2007 Early 2007
TV Wonder 550 Now Now Early 2007
TV Wonder Elite Now Now Early 2007
TV Wonder 200 PCI Mid 2007 No Mid 2007
TV Wonder Pro Mid 2007 No Mid 2007
TV Wonder USB 2.0 Mid 2007 Mid 2007 Mid 2007


For the full e-mail PM me and i will forward it to you (anyone).

 

[Truisys]

Thanks for posting.
I've since uninstall that piece of junk Vista and installed Linux.
In the future I will be buying Nvidia Theater cards.
AMD sucks!

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Thanks for posting.
I've since uninstall that piece of junk Vista and installed Linux.
In the future I will be buying Nvidia Theater cards.
AMD sucks!

LOL!

As if nV were any better. Still no NVTV drivers for VISTA either, go to their site it's just XP-MCE, no Vista.

http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/nvidia.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1930&p_created=1158272693&p_sid=9BwA26vi&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MSZwX3Byb2RzPTExNCZwX2NhdHM9MCZwX3B2PTEuMTE0JnBfY3Y9JnBfc2VhcmNoX3R5cGU9YW5zd2Vycy5zZWFyY2hfbmwmcF9wYWdlPTEmcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD12aXN0YQ**&p_li=&p_topview=1

So like AMD/ATi it's only certain solutions that are supported.
And really the nV theatre products suck hard! Why do people think the competition for AMD/ATi in video capture/tuning is nV? Seriously do some research before you throw more money away. At least AMD/ATi's products compete with the standalones, nV's don't come close, and they aren't about to improve in the near future, they're pretty much pulling out of the market like they did with sound.

The smart thing is to get a serious card like a Hauppauge, and yes most of their products support Vista;
http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/support/vista.html

 

[Truisys]

Yeah right. I have two 250s and they work well.
I'll be buying Nvidia because now that AMD has brought ATI they'll end up screwing up the company even worst then they were.
AMD is a habitual loser and AT will be the same.

 

[TheGreatGrapeApe]

Well buy nV graphics cards, they're good (best high end right now, and the GF8 mid-range will be here by Spring), but their theatre / my cinema products are crap, better to go with the stand alone cards.

 

[vcrpro3]

Spoke on phone with an AMD/ATI customer/tech support person...he said their are currently NO PLANS to to develop AIW tuner drivers for VISTA as that what he has heard the focus will be graphics development mainly and few stand alone tuners--the AMD side wants to develop chipset and CPU solutions only!!!! NOW THAT REALLY SUCKS!!!!

 

[HotFoot]

Makes sense, since according to MS/Vista, you're not allowed to record anything. I imagine the effort required to get TV tuner hardware working in the Vista environment is so great that ATI/AMD has decided it's better to just come out with new hardware to do the job.

Speaking of Vista being used for a media centre PC, does anyone have experience with Vista and 5-channel sound?

 

[Truisys]

Spoke on phone with an AMD/ATI customer/tech support person...he said their are currently NO PLANS to to develop AIW tuner drivers for VISTA as that what he has heard the focus will be graphics development mainly and few stand alone tuners--the AMD side wants to develop chipset and CPU solutions only!!!! NOW THAT REALLY SUCKS!!!!

These large companies hire employees only if they lack common sense and scrupples.
The AIW line was a high margin product. Obviously something within the Theater chipset was/is some non-vista compliant hardware.
Still, AMD/ATI took a less than customer freindly route in supporting this high end expensive product.
It has nothing to do with AMD/Vista recording options. You can do the same with a cheap Win-TV, which is supported.
It's just a sure sign of the absolute "dumbness" and lack of common sense of PC corporate marketing.

I have to admit that includes me as one of their former customers. 🙁

I'm running under UBUNTU 6.10 now and it rocks!

During install, it doesn't even ask for any hardware drivers and comes up recognizing everything with all drivers installed.

You can boot off the CD and run everything from there prior to making the decision to load onto your hard drive.

It features built-in Firefox as the internet browser of choice, and evolution as the email client.
The Add/Remove programs/Applications feature is great!

 

[HotFoot]

I've been running ubuntu 64-bit for my HTPC for some time now. I'm very impressed overall. I sold my all-in-wonder caputre card a year ago because it stopped working (in XP) and support from ATi was non-existant, so I'm not using MythTV functions, but VLC for .avi files, Totem for DVD playback, and XMMS for ogg/mp3 music handles all of the media needs I have. Azureus doesn't hurt either 😉. Oh yeah, and I use transcode for video formatting as needed.

The machine is on 24/7, and I have it dedicated to run Folding@Home in the background.

I have to say I look forward to when I can download shows legitimately and use them the way I want. I somehow expect that those not using Vista will be excluded from download-to-own DRM'd video playback. It seems to me that all this DRM stuff does is make it harder for me to do things legally. For instance, the iTunes music store is useless to me since I have a Creative mp3 player. It's still easier (and usually cheaper) for me to just buy the CD and rip it myself.