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I intruduced this game to you before with my barbarian getting farther
than I've ever gotten before. Here's how it ended up (sadly).

I'll skip to the point where I woke the wizard except to say that
Orcus was less trouble than I expected.
In total I was killed 6 times, first time by a kracken, I was
foolishly trying to attack it hand to hand, got grabbed by it and even
more foolishly and forgetfully tried to pray. Not only did I get
drowned by the Kracken for my first death but I got my cloak of
protection and grey dragon scale mail disentegrated. That happened
right next to where the wizard was, on the top level of the wizard's
tower. I used 2 wishes on new cloak of protection and grey dragon scale
mail. Then I killed the wizard over the water and accidently fell into
the water (twice (stinkin clumsy)) ruining a couple full healing and
gain level potions which were in my bag of holding- I didn't think it
important earlier to grease the bag (I've learned). So I used a scroll
of earth to make that place dry and get the Book of the Dead.
Ok. I got the amulet and when the wizard appeared I made sure I kept
wielding Magicbane to protect my inventory from getting cursed which was
a mistake. I thought it was a good idea at the time, but then I learned
that when two-weaponing with magicbane the 2nd weapon can still be
cursed making me drop it. And magicbane alone against the wizard isn't
much good. While learning those things I got killed twice by the wizard
and his pets because I kept wielding magicbane (by itself). OK so it's
not quite so important to keep my inventory safe from curses. I started
wielding my +6 Frost brand, switching to my +6 silver saber only for ice
devils and vampire lords.
Went back up all those stairs, maybe not as fast as I should have.
went from about 150HPS to about 350HPS. Got killed on level 2 by
monsters summoned by an Archon (4th death). I soon learned that Archons
can be more trouble than the wizard himself. First of all there is
(usually) only one wizard, never more than 2 anyway. The wizard and
archons both summon monsters and both have a touch of death, but the
wizard doesn't blind you or stun you or wear shields of reflection.
Going through the plains, I ran out of full healing potions and got
killed (5th time) by an Archons's pet (Air elemental) in the plane of
air. Then I was out of Amulets of life saving. The last time I was
killed on the plane of fire, again by Archon's pets (a green dragon
dealt the killing blow, I was mostly surrounded by dragons and a couple
such stuff as pit fiends and salamanders).

Notable monster kills:
Wizard of Yendor (19 times)
Orcus
Yeenoghu
Juiblex
Vlad the Impaler
Asmodeus
Thoth Amon
Medusa
Dispater
5 Archons
4 ki-rin
8 Krackens
3 titans
100 total adult dragons (yes, exactly 100)
3 master mind flayers
5 nazguls
3 disenchanters
47 vampire lords
22 giant or electric eels
165 ogres
(bribed Baalzebub)

afterthoughts: about 20 levels of Ghennom does get a little dull after
awhile. I'm sure Demogorgon would cure the dullness but that's not the
kind of cure I want..

Refropit the Barbaian killed by a Green Dragon on the Plane of Fire
score 3,944,498 368 MXHPS over 100K gold


PS: I posted two other messages here recently replying to other posts
and both of the two I posted dissapeared by the next time I came back to
read some. What happened?


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On 2005-02-27, David Justiss <dajustis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Went back up all those stairs, maybe not as fast as I should have.
> went from about 150HPS to about 350HPS. Got killed on level 2 by
> monsters summoned by an Archon (4th death). I soon learned that Archons
> can be more trouble than the wizard himself. First of all there is
> (usually) only one wizard, never more than 2 anyway. The wizard and
> archons both summon monsters and both have a touch of death, but the
> wizard doesn't blind you or stun you or wear shields of reflection.
> Going through the plains, I ran out of full healing potions and got
> killed (5th time) by an Archons's pet (Air elemental) in the plane of
> air. Then I was out of Amulets of life saving. The last time I was
> killed on the plane of fire, again by Archon's pets (a green dragon
> dealt the killing blow, I was mostly surrounded by dragons and a couple
> such stuff as pit fiends and salamanders).

What was your AC during all of this?

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David Justiss wrote:
> I intruduced this game to you before with my barbarian getting farther
> than I've ever gotten before. Here's how it ended up (sadly).
>
> I'll skip to the point where I woke the wizard except to say that
> Orcus was less trouble than I expected.
> In total I was killed 6 times, first time by a kracken, I was
> foolishly trying to attack it hand to hand, got grabbed by it and even
> more foolishly and forgetfully tried to pray.

You should be *prepared* for krakens. Either you should have your cloak
greased (can wear off) or it be oilskin or you should have a wand of
teleportation or of cold ready with known number of charges. You have
one turn (if you are not burdened) to save yourself after the kraken
swings itself around you (or whatever is the message for krakens).

In addition, on the top level of the wizard's tower, I usually bring
enough wands of cold to freeze the entire moat. Since there is a hell
hound in the tower that can melt the ice, it may be useful to read a
blessed scroll of earth instead on the side where you will dig your
entrance (don't know whether this will wake the wizard and thus cost you
a move that you could use for attacking).

> Not only did I get
> drowned by the Kracken for my first death but I got my cloak of
> protection and grey dragon scale mail disentegrated.

By a black dragon? You should have reflection by that time...

> Ok. I got the amulet and when the wizard appeared I made sure I kept
> wielding Magicbane to protect my inventory from getting cursed which was
> a mistake. I thought it was a good idea at the time, but then I learned
> that when two-weaponing with magicbane the 2nd weapon can still be
> cursed making me drop it. And magicbane alone against the wizard isn't
> much good.

It is sufficient, although you need some experience to work with
Magicbane alone. Definitely, having another artifact handy will make
things much less tedious.

> While learning those things I got killed twice by the wizard
> and his pets because I kept wielding magicbane (by itself).

If he summons too many monsters, wear a ring of conflict or stand on a
scroll of scare monster.

> OK so it's
> not quite so important to keep my inventory safe from curses.

You need to keep *some* items safe from curses, not all of them. If you
don't want to switch your armor anymore, you can let it become cursed.
On the other hand, if you wield a two-handed weapon, it is necessary to
bless it first and to check after each "malignant aura" whether it has
become uncursed, in which case it is compulsory to get it blessed again
or to switch to a different weapon.

> Went back up all those stairs, maybe not as fast as I should have.
> went from about 150HPS to about 350HPS. Got killed on level 2 by
> monsters summoned by an Archon (4th death). I soon learned that Archons
> can be more trouble than the wizard himself. First of all there is
> (usually) only one wizard, never more than 2 anyway. The wizard and
> archons both summon monsters and both have a touch of death, but the
> wizard doesn't blind you or stun you or wear shields of reflection.

There are two good strategies against Archons. One is having one or
several pet Archons yourself, which are not that easy to have. The
other is going without a pet and wearing a ring of conflict when an
Archon turns up. Then kill the Archon first, either by beating him up
or using a cockatrice corpse/egg. If a cockatrice turns up next to you,
teleport it away. You can also kill it immediately, but should do so
only, if no soldier is nearby...
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"Andrew D. Hilton" <adhilton@seas.upenn.edu> wrote in message
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> >.. The last time I was
> > killed on the plane of fire, again by Archon's pets (a green dragon
> > dealt the killing blow, I was mostly surrounded by dragons and a couple
> > such stuff as pit fiends and salamanders).
>
> What was your AC during all of this?

it was -28. I though that was pretty good, guess it needs to be better.
Should I have been wearing my shield instead of two-weaponing? Next
time I'll see the importance of keeping a t-shirt to enchant.

Asher


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"Klaus Kassner" <Klaus.Kassner@physik.uni-magdeburg.de> wrote in message
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> David Justiss wrote:
> > Not only did I get
> > drowned by the Kracken for my first death but I got my cloak of
> > protection and grey dragon scale mail disentegrated.
>
> By a black dragon? You should have reflection by that time...
No, I as said right before that, I (without thinking) prayed in
Ghennom, they were disentegrated by Moloch's disentegration beam
which goes past reflection.
(it was even stupider than going without reflection)

> > While learning those things I got killed twice by the wizard
> > and his pets because I kept wielding magicbane (by itself).
>
> If he summons too many monsters, wear a ring of conflict or stand on a
> scroll of scare monster.
Stand on a scroll of scare monster? What does that do? Is it like
Elbereth?


Asher

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On 2005-03-05, David Justiss <dajustis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> What was your AC during all of this?
>
> it was -28. I though that was pretty good, guess it needs to be better.
> Should I have been wearing my shield instead of two-weaponing? Next
> time I'll see the importance of keeping a t-shirt to enchant.

IMHO, you want it a lot better than that-- -28 may seem good, but
monstesr of level 38 or higher still have a 100% chance of hitting you--
lvl 28 monsters will have a 90% chance still, etc.

If you get 0 naked AC, DSM, and armor in every slot, with it all enchanted
to +4, you will have at least -43 AC-- you can improve beyond this some with
+5 enchantments, or bits of armor that provide more than 1 AC unenchanted.
So it should be relatively easy to get to like -45 AC, at which point
a level 38 monster only has an 83% chance of hitting you and a lvl 28 monster
only has a 62% chance

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David Justiss wrote:
> "Andrew D. Hilton" <adhilton@seas.upenn.edu> wrote in message
> news:slrnd24m7b.hnj.adhilton@phoenix.adhilton.homelinux.com
>
>>What was your AC during all of this?
>
> it was -28. I though that was pretty good, guess it needs to be better.

That is pretty good; though it could be better it's usually good enough
to ascend.

In your original posting you have been mentioning the touch of death;
haven't you been resistant and did you lose your life savers to death
attacks? (MR is crucial!)

> Should I have been wearing my shield instead of two-weaponing? Next
> time I'll see the importance of keeping a t-shirt to enchant.

That's just an unimportant difference on the premise that you have died
so many times; in this case you should rethink your tactics. And your
strategy; use life savers if you feel the need to, but don't get used to
*rely* on them.

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David Justiss wrote:
>
> Stand on a scroll of scare monster? What does that do? Is it like
> Elbereth?

Yes, it's similar.

Janis

 

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Andrew D. Hilton wrote:
> On 2005-03-05, David Justiss <dajustis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>What was your AC during all of this?
>>
>>it was -28. I though that was pretty good, guess it needs to be better.
>>Should I have been wearing my shield instead of two-weaponing? Next
>>time I'll see the importance of keeping a t-shirt to enchant.
>
> IMHO, you want it a lot better than that-- -28 may seem good, but

My least-AC-ascension was something like AC:-15 (and I'm sure others have
done much better).

> monstesr of level 38 or higher still have a 100% chance of hitting you--
> lvl 28 monsters will have a 90% chance still, etc.

Which monsters would that be?

Base level >28: Wizard of Yendor (30+), The Riders (30)
Base level >38: The 8 major demon lords/princes (50..106)

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On 2005-03-06, Janis Papanagnou <Janis_Papanagnou@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>it was -28. I though that was pretty good, guess it needs to be better.
>>>Should I have been wearing my shield instead of two-weaponing? Next
>>>time I'll see the importance of keeping a t-shirt to enchant.
>>
>> IMHO, you want it a lot better than that-- -28 may seem good, but
>
> My least-AC-ascension was something like AC:-15 (and I'm sure others have
> done much better).
>

Im not saying it cant be done- but for someone going for their first
time, you want it as good as possible.. Just like I wouldnt recommend
challenges for the first time, etc.

>> monstesr of level 38 or higher still have a 100% chance of hitting you--
>> lvl 28 monsters will have a 90% chance still, etc.
>
> Which monsters would that be?
>
> Base level >28: Wizard of Yendor (30+), The Riders (30)
> Base level >38: The 8 major demon lords/princes (50..106)

Those were just some references- in , which I play more often,
there are plenty of monsters in these categories- but if you want
a stat that would be exact for this particular situation,
if you are level 30 then an Archon will be level 26, for which
an AC of -28 will give it an 86% chance of hitting you, while
an AC of -45 will give it a 57.8% chance of hitting you.

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