Question AMD 2700 or 2600X or 3600?

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If you aren't in any specific hurry to upgrade immediately, I'd just wait for the b550 boards and see where CPU prices are at then.

If you have to upgrade now, then the 2700 for only 10 extra seems like an easy choice to me. If you play one of the games where the 3600 shows a massive improvement (45 vs 82 in Total War for example, +82%) in 0.1% lows over the 2000-series, then going 30 pounds over the 2700 for the 3600 would certainly be worth considering.
 
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If you aren't in any specific hurry to upgrade immediately, I'd just wait for the b550 boards and see where CPU prices are at then.

If you have to upgrade now, then the 2700 for only 10 extra seems like an easy choice to me. If you play one of the games where the 3600 shows a massive improvement (45 vs 82 in Total War for example, +82%) in 0.1% lows over the 2000-series, then going 30 pounds over the 2700 for the 3600 would certainly be worth considering.
I do not think the Ryzen B550 Motherboards will support PCI-E 4.0?
 

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If you aren't in any specific hurry to upgrade immediately, I'd just wait for the b550 boards and see where CPU prices are at then.

If you have to upgrade now, then the 2700 for only 10 extra seems like an easy choice to me. If you play one of the games where the 3600 shows a massive improvement (45 vs 82 in Total War for example, +82%) in 0.1% lows over the 2000-series, then going 30 pounds over the 2700 for the 3600 would certainly be worth considering.
Why wait for b550? Also aren´t they really far away?

Personally i would grab 3600, gaming wise. Also there is plenty b450 ITx mobos, you just need to flash the bios. I would recommend MSI boards since they have flashback. Or some suppliers will update the bios for free.
 

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The 3600 are a great cpu in price to performance but the 2xxx models are dropping prices so it becomes a better buy tbh.Choice is still yours but i personally if i had to build a pc now i would grap a 2700x and call it a day :D
 

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The 3600 are a great cpu in price to performance but the 2xxx models are dropping prices so it becomes a better buy tbh.Choice is still yours but i personally if i had to build a pc now i would grap a 2700x and call it a day :D
2700X is way worse in gaming ,especially in CPU biased games like FPS etc, at 1080p 3600 destroys 2700X.
 
Oh I just got a 3600 and boy oh boy let me tell you it's amazing. I found a 2700x for $200 and I started to go for that but the 3600 destroys it in gaming and it's not that far behind in multithreaded workloads. The Ryzen 5 3600 is the smarter choice.
 

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I do not think the Ryzen B550 Motherboards will support PCI-E 4.0?
The CPU supports PCIe 4.0, which gives you up to 20 PCIe 4.0 lanes. Even A320 motherboards could have that if the board's signal integrity is good enough (near zero material cost, only needs more careful routing and sufficiently tight tolerances on material quality which is needed for DIMMs and the 3.0x4 chipset link too) and the board manufacturer can be bothered to qualify the board and release a BIOS update.
 

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The CPU supports PCIe 4.0, which gives you up to 20 PCIe 4.0 lanes. Even A320 motherboards could have that if the board's signal integrity is good enough (near zero material cost, only needs more careful routing and sufficiently tight tolerances on material quality which is needed for DIMMs and the 3.0x4 chipset link too) and the board manufacturer can be bothered to qualify the board and release a BIOS update.
Well, pretty much no one needs PCIe 4 unless they are willing to invest hundereds in 4 gen SSD which they don´t need anyway. So B450 for most people
 
You don't want a Ry2700X in a closed space as you don't want a 9900K in one.

The Ry3600 will have significantly less power draw at a similar performance level, so that's a no-brainer, even with a £40 difference. I'm sure the stock cooler of the 3600 will be enough as well, but looking for a cheap eBay (hopefully) new 140W Wrath would make it an excellent small PC.

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Well, pretty much no one needs PCIe 4 unless they are willing to invest hundereds in 4 gen SSD which they don´t need anyway. So B450 for most people
4.0x4 NVMe SSDs won't remain expensive forever. The material cost is about the same as SATA SSDs minus housing, it is only a matter of time for production volume and demand to shift before NVMe becomes cheaper than SATA SSDs. We're still in the relatively early adopter phase where the NVMe premium is large enough for average people to pick SATA instead since NVMe provides very little benefit in most everyday use.
 
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Why are people talking "destroys in gaming" here but nobody even mentions an Intel. The i5 8600k alone destroys all the CPUs mentioned above, with a bit of overclocking especially. Even the latest Ryzen 3 lags behind Intel and that's WITHOUT THE OVERCLOCKING cause "unbiased reviewers" don't wanna put AMD in a bad situation to losing to highly overclocked Intel chips.

And they are a lot cheaper nowadays. And more stable. I think the third generation Ryzen is a lot more stable but the second generation will get you much lower 1% which means your game will stutter like garbage in some cases.

That is if the OP cares about gaming at more than 60 fps or has a monitor capable of that performance. Otherwise why are we even debating this? The 2700 is the easy choice.
 
Thanks for the replies so far.
I was reading that the 2700 is not very good because of the low basic Frequency where as the 2600X beats it (albeit by less than 5%) in many games.
2700 sounds good to me because its 8/16 over 6/12
3600 is really nice, just not sure if its worth the £50 more when the others are all going a lot cheaper now.
As for gaming, I have a 144hz monitor AOC
 
Thanks for the replies so far.
I was reading that the 2700 is not very good because of the low basic Frequency where as the 2600X beats it (albeit by less than 5%) in many games.
2700 sounds good to me because its 8/16 over 6/12
3600 is really nice, just not sure if its worth the £50 more when the others are all going a lot cheaper now.
As for gaming, I have a 144hz monitor AOC
Nevermind the performance so much as to where you're planning on using the CPU.

When unconstrained, the Ry2700X has no problems on consuming as much power as it can to perform at its best, but that means sucking ~200W on its own, whereas the Ry3600 will suck ~110W. That's a HUGE difference for cooling in a closed space. If you constrain it to it's lower speeds, then the Ry3600, at the same power, smokes the Ry2700X for games and other less threaded stuff.

If you're planning on just getting an ITX motherboard, but have big cooling, then the Ry2700X is indeed an option.

EDIT: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-3800x-review,6226-3.html

There's some fresh data.

Cheers!
 

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3600 is really nice, just not sure if its worth the £50 more when the others are all going a lot cheaper now.
As for gaming, I have a 144hz monitor AOC
With 10-25% higher average frame rates and 20-100% higher 0.1% lows, you should be able to get quite a bit more mileage and noticeably less stutter out of that 144Hz display using the 3600/3600X.

I can bear playing games at a steady 40ish FPS but can't bear random dips, which is a significant part of why I have 32GB of RAM to eliminate storage IO after stuff has been loaded for the first time. I'd say having a helluva lot less potential stutter is reason enough on its own to pick the 3600 over 2000-series for gaming. (At least for me, it was reason enough to spend $100 extra to double memory seven years ago.)
 
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