AMD 939 upgrade options (warhammer!)

[Raviolissimo]

Your only and best bet right now if you really want to upgrade that 939 system one last time is a socket 939 Operton. They are dual core, and fast.

i have to agree about the Opteron dual core's.

i upgraded from an Opteron 175 to a Core2Duo E6700. the systems both had the 7600 GT (this is for running animation programs like 3D Max and Maya).

i do not find that the 6700 is any faster. the Opteron system has a 74 GB Raptor, and the 6700 system has a Seagate 320 SATA drive, so it's not quite apples to apples.

in any case, the Opteron system continues to hold its own. I have 3D Max installed on it and also on an older Prescott single core, the 3.6 GHz 560. doing a rendering on the Prescott system is a teeth-gritting experience. not so on the Opteron, using it is a pleasure. i could swear it's harder to lock up than the Core2Duo.

admittedly this is for CPU intensive training.

i agree, AMD should keep making their socket 939 dual cores and maybe even the single cores.

 

[esbo]

Yep... Both companies drop the support of older soccets sooner or later. It is not economically wise to make chips that only few are willing to buy.
So as have been said, it does not matter if you chose AMD or intel... You can not buy better CPU's for your mother board after too long time. All you can do is to find out what is good at that moment for your money, and what part of their living time the technology is.
Right now the the Core2 technology is phasing out from Intel and AM2 from AMD. You can easily see that even now. So if you have an old platform based on those systems, now is the last good time to upgrade them. Later it will be hard to find replesement. (Not quite yeat, but a couple of years more, and there will be only expensive alternatives, if even them...)

 

[esbo]

Whoops I had to reply to that last message as a way of finding this tread from my history - there does not see to be an easy way of finding threads you have replied to.

Anyway, to the point earlier on someone (or two perhaps) in the thread said that Intel were just the same,
however I have *proof* that is not the case.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/577/9

As you can see the Intel Celeron E1400, which I believe is dual core has a very similar perfomance to
an AMD X2 4400.

Now lets take a look at the prices of each on Ebay:-

http://computers.shop.ebay.co.uk/items/_W0QQCPUManufacturer812c7f89ZIntelProcessorscc9517ebQQ_dmptZUKQ5fMotherboardsQ5fCPUs?_nkw=celeron+X2&_sacat=3671&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=&_osacat=3671

So that's £49.03 +£5.64 for the X2 Celeron



Now for a AMD X2 4400 socket 939:-

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AMD-ATHLON-64-X2-4400-2-2-GHZ-DUAL-CORE-939-HS-Fan_W0QQitemZ250360930583QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Motherboards_CPUs?hash=item250360930583&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1690|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318


£104.99 + £7 p&p that is twice the price and it is a used CPU not a new one like the Celeron

For a new AMD you can add another £30 or £40 on!!

So my position is exactly the same - AMD are rip-off merchants and I will never buy from them again, they know where they can stck their CPU's and their company

 

[esbo]

Actually I just noticed it is a 4600 which costs £130, almost *three* times the price of the celeron.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AMD-Athlon-64-X2-4600-2-4-GHz-SKT-939-ADA4600DAA5BV_W0QQitemZ260353497264QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Motherboards_CPUs?hash=item260353497264&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1690|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318

Makes me sick!

 

[nsimo86]

How does an individual sellers price on ebay have anything to do with the companies who manufactured the processors in the first place? The answer is absolutely nothing.

Also that benchmark means nothing, it seems to be a gpu limited test and says nothing about the individual processor performance.

 

[medjohnson77]

What are you talking about?
How can I be bitter at the 'vendors', they can only sell what the manufactures make and as AMD don't make the chips they cannot sell them.

If X2 chips are bottledneck as you say by DDR memory, AMD had no problems selling such bottlenecked (939)
processors, there are also plenty on Ebay selling for over £100 (or $300 in the USA again more than new AMD quad core procesors!!). Futher more my machine says it will support X2 up to 4800. And I believe that!!

My machine is fine, I won't be getting a new one anytime soon, but I would not mind a resaonably priced 939 X2 processor. AMD could sell a barrel load of these if it made them there is no doubt about that.
But they are to busy going belly up apparenty. They aslo will miss out on compatible graphics card sales.

It is gaining nothing by not doing so because if it does not I will never buy from them again.
Their marketing department must be ran by idiots.

Nobody in my position is going to get a new AMD machine so you are wasting your time pushing your fake
arguements, because they don't stand up.

Well esbo,

I just had a old emachine that I picked up from best buy die on me i got it three years ago. The cheep MSI mother board took a crap. Just had upgraded the processor from a single Athlon 64 3200 to a 4000 and a couple of months later the mother board died. I had a chance to buy a dual core x 2 3800 for $38 dollars from the egg right before they stopped selling them on the egg and I didn't. It is my fault since I waited way to long to get the upgraded chip, I heard they were not going to be for sale anymore and they were phasing them out, but I didn't act.

As far as the DDr ram bottle necking the new line of AM2 cpus, I just got a used Biostar M-9 mother board and a X2 3800 from a kid that had several Intel older socket mother boards, and this one just laying around. I picked up 2 gb of ddr 400mhz ram and I had an extra 2 gb of ddr from my old emachine that I bought for 4 gb total and the M-9 motherboard , and the 64 X 2 3800 processor for a total of $55 from him. I installed Vista 64 bit on this rig and installed Bench mark 06 to see how it compared to my AM2 Asus M2N32 sli, wifi Deluxe x 2 6400B.E. with 4gb of ddr2 800mhz. I am also running Vista 64 in this build and have benched both builds with a ati 3870 in them. The X 2 3800 939 socket build got a score on bench mark 06 of 6880 no over clock stock on the 3870 and the processor @ 2.0ghz. the cpu score was 1300 i believe.

On the AM2 X 6400B.E. build I got around 11,000 stock with a cpu score of around 3500 at stock rating of 3.2ghz. I have not tried to overclock the X 3800 939 build, but that is a pretty big difference and even if I can overclock it to 3.2Ghz which I don't think I can, I don't believe it would score the same as the AM2 platform. So the older DDR 400mhz ram and the 939 socket X 2 3800 IMO is a bottle neck. It still is a decent gaming rig for what it is, but it is getting to be outdated.

You have strong feelings against AMD for charging so much for the older socket style X 2 for the 939. However, I just built a Intel build for a guy and another for another guy, and in the first build, The guy didn't have the money for a Core 2 duo, so he went with a P4 3.0ghz because he had a mother board for it already. Price on this processor off the egg new was $80.00. Talk about getting ripped off by Intel. The other guy I just built an Intel for got a E7300 off the egg for $109 dollars. Big difference in performance but not in price. So Intel is just as guilty, I think it does suck that prices for older tech can be so much, however, you and I just waited to long to upgrade. I got lucky picking this 939 socket X 3800 and Biostar board up for $55 though, you can find deals out there, you just have to look.


To the OP of this thread, I have a Athlon 64 single core 4000 I will sell you for $40, it was used for less then two months before the MSI board in my emachine went out, and it has never been over clocked see how emachine bois doesn't allow it to be.

 

[medjohnson77]

To the OP,

While the single core 4000 is not as good as the dual core 939 socket X 2's, It is able to play warhammer 40,000 DOW as long as you have a decent grafix card. I was able to get on line and play it with out being booted from peoples games. PM me if your still interested in upgrading to a single core thats better then what you have.