News AMD AM5 AGESA Update Adds DDR5-8000 Support

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Interesting news as I try to OC my Corsair Vengeance 5600MHz kit to 6000 & stabilise it for every day gaming with bios 7A whilst locking in 1.30 SOC. :)
 
^ its more profound for ryzen with its infinity link and CCDs. The caveats of tiled architecture are still there with Zen 4 and AM5. I am talking in general with gaming scenarios in mind. not web browsing or MS office XD.
 

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i mean ram gains are rarely noticed unless its a ram specific application.
Ryzen sees quite substantial improvement with faster memory.
right now going from DDR 5 5200/5600 to 6000/6400 with tight timings give significant boost in several applications including gaming, with now 7200 and 8000 possible it could further boost the performance, how much remains to be seen.
 

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Ryzen sees quite substantial improvement with faster memory.
right now going from DDR 5 5200/5600 to 6000/6400 with tight timings give significant boost in several applications including gaming, with now 7200 and 8000 possible it could further boost the performance, how much remains to be seen.
The gains are minimal at best for gaming with those high speeds. Disengaging UCLK=MCLK has repercussions. One would need a super golden chip to run faster than 1:1 above 6400 & even then there would be heat issues aroused by furthering voltages for stability. Sometimes too much voltage upsets the delicate voltage rails in IMC & DDR power supply hierarchy.
 
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I think this is going to allow for the zen 5 and zen 6 parts to dominate..
which is kinda funny i had a argument with someone a few days ago and he/she stated things about Intel 15th being a bigger jump and the more cores of zen 5 or zen 6 being nerfed by slower ram speeds !!
AND bang here we are a bios update for boards to 8000mhz
I really think intel need to rethink their DIY cpu line they seem to be brute forcing performance with huge power draw still sub standard socket life and no 3d v cache..
At this point AMD are beating them at every turn and despite my love for AMD products we NEED atleast the 2 players in the cpu market and healthy competition to keep AMD honest !!
 
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I really think intel need to rethink their DIY cpu line they seem to be brute forcing performance with huge power draw still sub standard socket life and no 3d v cache..
At this point AMD are beating them at every turn and despite my love for AMD products we NEED atleast the 2 players in the cpu market and healthy competition to keep AMD honest !!
Arrow Lake is due out next year and basically 2 process nodes ahead of Raptor Lake. The leaked performance gains suggest the main benefits are coming from improvements in the E-cores, but those are just leaks.
 

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Arrow Lake is due out next year and basically 2 process nodes ahead of Raptor Lake. The leaked performance gains suggest the main benefits are coming from improvements in the E-cores, but those are just leaks
problem is like i said every turn AMD beats them .. The 13900k comes out while still the best overall cpu the 7800x3d is a better gaming cpu in alot of cases ..( and only because a good argument can be made that the 7950x is really just a 7800x3d ) AMD spews out a 8950x3d with better v cache stacking better production and less power draw then once again beaten ..
14th is going to be a real hit and miss and it honestly already is LGA1700 is a dead platform over AM5..
15th is new platform all ddr5 does but 15th really have the legs to beat zen 6 with being possibly on the AM5 platform ??
unless something changes with Intels socket life span and we all know AMD are releasing normal cpus to compete with Intels cpus even if just losing slightly/matching then besting them with 3d v cache leaving Intel with nothing to retaliate till the next gen !!
what astounds me about this as its 2 gens now AMD have done this to them and its like they are oblivious to it !!
5800x3d did it to the 12900k and the 7800x3d has done it to the 13900k what happens if AMD get the stacking and V cache spot on with the 8950x3d ??
 

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Arrow lake is suppose to be having "Powervia" tech fab which enables better electrical signal integrity with high bandwidth DDR5 (8,000 MT/S +) whilst operating at ambient temps. TSMC will have their own name for similar tech so supposedly AMD will use that with 8000 series & beyond.
 

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Arrow lake is suppose to be having "Powervia" tech fab which enables better electrical signal integrity with high bandwidth DDR5 (8,000 MT/S +) whilst operating at ambient temps. TSMC will have their own name for similar tech so supposedly AMD will use that with 8000 series & beyond.
Zen 5 / Ryzen 8000 looks set to use TSMC N3E. That's still FinFET-based and uses standard power delivery.

GAA transistors don't arrive until N2, in 2026. Backside power delivery won't appear until N2P, with retail availability of chips expected in 2027 (by which point, we could be living in a very different world... ):

So much depends on how they both Intel and TSMC execute on their respective plans, but at least the roadmaps show Intel possibly obtaining a lead with next year's 20A or 18A nodes. Arrow Lake should tell us a lot about Intel's near-term future.
 
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Agesa 1.0.0.7b in F8a bios for my B650 board has now enabled testing 32GB kit at 6400, 36-38-36-78 & with Samsung chips @ 1.35 VDD ok no errors in MT86 testing today. Also PBO enabled.

Before with 1.0.0.7a & a patch inside the F6a bios, would give errors here at same settings.
It's like for those who want a bit more than 6200 with UCLK=MEMCLK, its easier to do now.
 
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what astounds me about this as its 2 gens now AMD have done this to them and its like they are oblivious to it !!
They are not oblivious, they just don't need to do anything about it.
AMD has been losing money constantly since the end of 2021 and is back to 2.4bil of debt, more than they had during FX times.
We should be hoping that AMD will still be able to get enough money together to even launch a new gen.
I guess that's why AMD is throwing so much tech at people for so cheap, they are desperate to make enough money to keep going.

AMD Quarterly Net Income
(Millions of US $)
2023-03-31$-139
2022-12-31$21
2022-09-30$66
2022-06-30$447
2022-03-31$786
2021-12-31$974
AMD Quarterly Long Term Debt
(Millions of US $)
2023-03-31$2,467
2022-12-31$2,467
2022-09-30$2,466
2022-06-30$2,465
2022-03-31$1,475
2021-12-31$1
 

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They are not oblivious, they just don't need to do anything about it.
AMD has been losing money constantly since the end of 2021 and is back to 2.4bil of debt, more than they had during FX times.
We should be hoping that AMD will still be able to get enough money together to even launch a new gen.
I guess that's why AMD is throwing so much tech at people for so cheap, they are desperate to make enough money to keep going.

AMD Quarterly Net Income
(Millions of US $)
2023-03-31$-139
2022-12-31$21
2022-09-30$66
2022-06-30$447
2022-03-31$786
2021-12-31$974
AMD Quarterly Long Term Debt
(Millions of US $)
2023-03-31$2,467
2022-12-31$2,467
2022-09-30$2,466
2022-06-30$2,465
2022-03-31$1,475
2021-12-31$1
you keep quoting these stupid graphs over and over but seem totally oblivious ( like intel ) that they are getting there arse handed to them in every direction ..

What company that has any competition goes its okay we dont need to win this one let alone intel ..
You do understand how competition , money and running a business works right??

crash course :
You need a competitive product to compete with the competition when you keep losing to the competition on almost every platform ( in Intel's case server , apu's , consoles and to a point DIY) you cease to make money because the public / business's are buying the competition ..

Alot of reviewers are already saying the only good 14th gen cpu will be the 14700k that leaves the rest of 14th a waste of sand and pointless !!

AMD's zen5 is getting wild claims as usual but anyone with any brains will take that with a grain of salt there will be solid improvements over Zen4 obviously still on a longer life span socket once again making AMD the go to cpu ..

hardware unboxed just did a 13900k VS 7800x3d maybe find your way over to watching that then you will see how a cheaper more efficient part trades blows/beats the 13900k in gaming at both 1080 1440p

At no point have i ever said a 13900k is rubbish as overall production / gaming cpu its the best of the best ..

Maybe find a graph on the better selling cpu right now pretty sure the 7800x3d will be the better one of the two !!
 
you keep quoting these stupid graphs over and over but seem totally oblivious ( like intel ) that they are getting there arse handed to them in every direction ..

What company that has any competition goes its okay we dont need to win this one let alone intel ..
You do understand how competition , money and running a business works right??

crash course :
You need a competitive product to compete with the competition
Maybe find a graph on the better selling cpu right now pretty sure the 7800x3d will be the better one of the two !!
AMD dropped right back to under 20% market share which shows that AMD is the one that doesn't have a competitive product.
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