News AMD 'Big Navi' GPU Leaks Are Fake? SK Hynix Refutes 2TBps HBM2E Claims

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The juicier the rumor, the more it should be questioned.

AMD 'Big Navi' GPU Leaks Are Fake? SK Hynix Refutes 2TBps HBM2E Claims : Read more

 

[jimmysmitty]

One of the hundreds of random rumors for upcoming hardware that sites like WCCFTech run is fake? Well I'll be a pickle in a jar. Color me surprised.......

The specs seemed way high and for what they would be would only be for HPC uses. Otherwise it would be way too expensive for consumers with 24GB of the latest and greatest HBM memory.

 

[redgarl]

If SK Hynix is sending this kind of threat, then it means there is more truth to this then what they want people to believe: "We can assure you that SK Hynix will take every necessary measure against such media, including all available legal actions."

You don't sue over rumors if they are totally bogus. It is something else when you screw up and leak information under NDA, then you sue.

 

[jimmysmitty]

Because we had our doubts about the legitimacy of this story, we decided not to run it. In hindsight, this was the correct choice: SK Hynix offered up a press release today stating that the news is fake.

Ahhh come on... what a joke... keep doing amazing review like your MSI x570 A Pro and AC Gaming... at least they are not a joke... (sarcasm)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZWUOldsxXQ

Ahhh yes because one review thats meh means nothing reported is correct. I guess WCCFTech was right about the 5GHz 16 core Ryzen CPUs......

Rumors are rumors and have no place on a site like this. WCCFTech will throw multiple rumors out in a week about the same hardware. The only thing that should be on a legitimate tech site are actual specs and hard confirmed information.

 

[spongiemaster]

Rumors are rumors and have no place on a site like this. WCCFTech will throw multiple rumors out in a week about the same hardware. The only thing that should be on a legitimate tech site are actual specs and hard confirmed information.

You're right, but this site has been posting increasing amounts of leaked/rumor news as time has moved on. They long ago left the realm of only official and verifiable news posts.

 

[justin.m.beauvais]

I realize people love rumors and leaks, but come on. Don't take any of them seriously. Sure, we get plenty of rumors that turn out to be true, but there are a LOT that aren't, no matter how nice they sound. Sometimes we get rumors with no reaction that turn out to be true, and sometimes false. Sometimes we get big reactions and it turns out the rumor was true, and sometimes it was false. There is really no pattern here. I realize that people want to know what is coming and get gratification from being right about it, but we should only really take seriously released hardware and its specifications and performance.

 

[jimmysmitty]

You're right, but this site has been posting increasing amounts of leaked/rumor news as time has moved on. They long ago left the realm of only official and verifiable news posts.

And I comment such on those as well and say the same thing. If the article rates it as a rumor its normally OK though as rumors will come and go. There are other sites though that post it as just news.

Honestly to fight this the site should have a Rumors section dedicated to just that and not allow it to be mixed up in the normal news.

The reviews, real ones, are still mostly well done and legit and thats what I like TH for. But there has been a drop in names I know and trust to do them which is disappointing.

 

[cryoburner]

This doesn't actually confirm that the rumor is fake. Even if it were true, it seems like SK Hynix would deny its existence to avoid leaking details of a big product launch that AMD probably didn't want them talking about yet. Ask yourself, if it were fake, why would SK Hynix go through so much trouble to deny it? I suppose they might not want clients assuming that they leak sensitive information, but the wording of some parts of the document is a bit weird.

"After a thorough investigation, we conclude that the screen capture of the allegedly internal document is fabricated."

If there were no such product in the works, why would a "thorough investigation" even be required? It seems like it would simply be a matter of calling up the relevant people in the company and asking them if such a product is being worked on.

And they didn't actually deny that such a card is in the works. They denied that they created or distributed the specifications document in question, and claimed the HBM2e specifications listed therein to be inaccurate.

One possibility might be that the document is in fact fabricated, but that a lot of the specifications are real. There was already a prior leak about the alleged specifications of the card that this lined up with, and only the memory specifications were new, so that could very well be the case.

The specs seemed way high and for what they would be would only be for HPC uses. Otherwise it would be way too expensive for consumers with 24GB of the latest and greatest HBM memory.

I agree about that being an excessive amount of HBM memory for consumer use, though the Radeon V also arguably had an excessive amount of HBM memory when it launched over a year ago. If this were in fact a top of the line card outperforming Nvidia's current $1000+ models, then there might be a fair amount of room to work with for pricing. Of course, unless there's some technical reason requiring additional HBM packages to avoid bandwidth limitations that would significantly limit performance, AMD would undoubtedly be better off limiting the VRAM to no more than 16GB, if not less, to give them more price flexibility and greater profit margins.

Ahhh yes because one review thats meh means nothing reported is correct. I guess WCCFTech was right about the 5GHz 16 core Ryzen CPUs......

While the clock speeds might not have matched the rumors, if you take into account the 15% or so IPC uplift that had not yet been announced, the current Zen 2 based Ryzen 7 and 9 processors are capable of meeting or exceeding the performance that a Zen+ based processor would have offered at 5GHz. And we did in fact get a 16-core processor running at relatively high clocks on the mainstream AM4 platform. The rumored pricing that accompanied those specifications was quite unlikely though. Of course, Tom's Hardware reported on those rumors too, despite those pricing details not making much sense. : P

 

[Giroro]

If SK Hynix is sending this kind of threat, then it means there is more truth to this then what they want people to believe: "We can assure you that SK Hynix will take every necessary measure against such media, including all available legal actions."

You don't sue over rumors if they are totally bogus. It is something else when you screw up and leak information under NDA, then you sue.

It's interesting that SK Hynix didn't actually deny existence of the graphics card (although there's no way a card with those specs would be gaming). They said that the HBM2e specs were wrong, the document itself was fabricated and factually incorrect (wrong HBM specs), and said that is was illegal to reuse content from their Newsroom without permission.

I don't know how SK Hynix normally denies rumors, but this if reads like the kind of careful wording that Nintendo has previously used to "deny" the existence of new products. Nintendo words things in a way that expects you to infer that something doesn't exist, and then they announce it a few weeks later.
Or it could read like the wording was careful, if SK had a better translator. I don't think this denial was done with that kind of care.

 

[jimmysmitty]

This doesn't actually confirm that the rumor is fake. Even if it were true, it seems like SK Hynix would deny its existence to avoid leaking details of a big product launch that AMD probably didn't want them talking about yet. Ask yourself, if it were fake, why would SK Hynix go through so much trouble to deny it? I suppose they might not want clients assuming that they leak sensitive information, but the wording of some parts of the document is a bit weird.


If there were no such product in the works, why would a "thorough investigation" even be required? It seems like it would simply be a matter of calling up the relevant people in the company and asking them if such a product is being worked on.

And they didn't actually deny that such a card is in the works. They denied that they created or distributed the specifications document in question, and claimed the HBM2e specifications listed therein to be inaccurate.

One possibility might be that the document is in fact fabricated, but that a lot of the specifications are real. There was already a prior leak about the alleged specifications of the card that this lined up with, and only the memory specifications were new, so that could very well be the case.


I agree about that being an excessive amount of HBM memory for consumer use, though the Radeon V also arguably had an excessive amount of HBM memory when it launched over a year ago. If this were in fact a top of the line card outperforming Nvidia's current $1000+ models, then there might be a fair amount of room to work with for pricing. Of course, unless there's some technical reason requiring additional HBM packages to avoid bandwidth limitations that would significantly limit performance, AMD would undoubtedly be better off limiting the VRAM to no more than 16GB, if not less, to give them more price flexibility and greater profit margins.


While the clock speeds might not have matched the rumors, if you take into account the 15% or so IPC uplift that had not yet been announced, the current Zen 2 based Ryzen 7 and 9 processors are capable of meeting or exceeding the performance that a Zen+ based processor would have offered at 5GHz. And we did in fact get a 16-core processor running at relatively high clocks on the mainstream AM4 platform. The rumored pricing that accompanied those specifications was quite unlikely though. Of course, Tom's Hardware reported on those rumors too, despite those pricing details not making much sense. : P

For the mass majority 16GB would be overkill. For the top of the crop people it would be usable but it wouldn't be a hot seller and even 16GB would put costs on a new memory standard way up there. It would be hard for AMD to price it competitively with a GPU that uses GDDR6 which is much cheaper than HBM.

And the rumors were proclaiming a 5GHz chip, nothing to do with IPC uplift. WCCFTech is a major rumor mill.

And yes TH did report on them. I think its stupid to do so unless they have a section dedicated to just rumors. I think rumors do not belong on this site but this site has changed a lot and the ones running it are not quite the same enthusiasts that started it long ago.

 

[Chung Leong]

You don't sue over rumors if they are totally bogus. It is something else when you screw up and leak information under NDA, then you sue.

Manipulation of stock prices through false information is a serious crime. We aren't talking about idle speculations here. The guy went through the trouble of fabricating internal documents.

 

[bit_user]

After a thorough investigation, we conclude that the screen capture of the allegedly internal document is fabricated.

This very much reads like a "non-denial denial". As others have pointed out, they didn't say no such product exists - just that the screen grab is a fake.

Because we had our doubts about the legitimacy of this story, we decided not to run it. In hindsight, this was the correct choice

Careful not to dislocate your shoulder, patting yourselves on the back, guys.

This way, Tom's can report on the rumor, without being blamed for spreading it. Kinda having it both ways.

Manipulation of stock prices through false information is a serious crime.

If this release was accompanied by trading activity by the perpetrator, then it can likely be prosecuted. If not, then I don't think it would be a crime in the US, so long as the data was fabricated and not actually stolen.

Edit: Apart from the above, I think maybe SK Hynix could have some grounds to sue for use of trademarked terms and logos. Note that this would be a civil infraction - not a criminal one.

We aren't talking about idle speculations here.

We don't know that.

The guy went through the trouble of fabricating internal documents.

Really? Was it a lot of trouble? Probably not for someone who knows Korean, and maybe has found similar spec sheets, just to mock that up and take a picture of their screen.

Or, maybe it's nothing like standard SK Hynix spec sheets. We don't even know that, do we?

I, for one, wonder why a memory vendor would have documents with all of those other GPU specs on it. It's not inconceivable, but it strikes me as odd. If I were AMD, I probably wouldn't even disclose such details to them.

 

[cryoburner]

Manipulation of stock prices through false information is a serious crime.

It's not really clear what a rumor like that would do for stock prices though. Most of those rumored specs were already floating around from a previous rumor. It's just the VRAM details that were new. If anything, I guess it would make the card seem a bit less desirable from a consumer standpoint, since that much HBM memory would drive up the cost without likely providing much benefit to gaming performance. But there could just as easily be lower VRAM variants of the card too, available at much more reasonable price points. So, based on those specifications alone, it's not really clear what that would do for stock prices.

I, for one, wonder why a memory vendor would have documents with all of those other GPU specs on it. It's not inconceivable, but it strikes me as odd. If I were AMD, I probably wouldn't even disclose such details to them.

Yeah, I was kind of wondering about that too. Maybe if the card were set to be announced relatively soon AMD might be a bit more open with specifications to certain people at their primary suppliers though.

Another thing I found a bit questionable was the "5950 XT" branding. It could very well be that AMD adds additional product numbers to their existing lineup, since they certainly left room for it. However, they've been using entirely different naming schemes for their highest-end cards in recent years. And if Big Navi is in fact built on an updated RDNA2 architecture, it seems like that would be all the more reason to differentiate it as something new, particularly if it features something like raytracing acceleration.

 

[bit_user]

It's not really clear what a rumor like that would do for stock prices though.

You're over-thinking it. The criminality of something like insider trading doesn't depend on whether the defendant actually made money - it depends on the combination of intent and actions taken that were both illegal, and consistent with that intent.

I don't happen to know as much about stock price manipulation, but I assume it would be similar in that it wouldn't matter whether they succeeded in manipulating the stock price, but merely require a combination of actions that could plausibly manipulate it and some evidence of an expressed intent to do so.

That said, I'm not a lawyer (in case it's not obvious). Also, I'm sure applicable laws vary from one country to the next.

 

[cryoburner]

You're over-thinking it. The criminality of something like insider trading doesn't depend on whether the defendant actually made money - it depends on the combination of intent and actions taken that were both illegal, and consistent with that intent.

What I'm saying is that if someone were trying to manipulate stock prices, one would think they would do so in a way that would have more predictable results. If it were an attempt at stock manipulation, it doesn't seem like it would be a particularly effective one, leading me have some doubts that it was the intended purpose.