News AMD Continues To Sell 14nm Zen CPUs In 2023

[Admin]

AMD has refreshed the four-year-old Athlon 3000G packaging to maintain its relevancy in retail.

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[usertests]

Isn't it supposed to be easy to trick Windows 11 into accepting older CPUs without TPMs or w/e requirement it wants?

I wonder who would buy this legendary dual-core today. Maybe if your overall build cost is less than $150 with this $50 APU and a bunch of used or given away parts, it's not too bad. Otherwise aim for a 5600G.

 

[fball922]

Isn't it supposed to be easy to trick Windows 11 into accepting older CPUs without TPMs or w/e requirement it wants?

I wonder who would buy this legendary dual-core today. Maybe if your overall build cost is less than $150 with this $50 APU and a bunch of used or given away parts, it's not too bad. Otherwise aim for a 5600G.

I briefly ran one in my NAS/Plex server and it was great for that. The GPU could handle hardware accelerated transcoding and felt very responsive. I later consolidated hardware and no longer needed it, but I was very happy with it overall.

 

[rluker5]

Isn't it supposed to be easy to trick Windows 11 into accepting older CPUs without TPMs or w/e requirement it wants?

I wonder who would buy this legendary dual-core today. Maybe if your overall build cost is less than $150 with this $50 APU and a bunch of used or given away parts, it's not too bad. Otherwise aim for a 5600G.

As long as you have the TPM and meet the other requirements, I've found a normal USB install of W11 works fine on unsupported chips. I have it running on Haswell and Broadwell. This thing should be about as fast as a Haswell i3. Which is not bad for light computing like web browsing, social media, video playback, and very light gaming like minecraft, those candy crush type games and very old games like HL2. Not the fastest but gets the job done.

If that is all somebody wants this chip is a good option because it is so cheap. Any cheaper would put you in the old retired office ebay category.

It is better than something like the G6900 which is 2c2t because Windows is very hitchy on 2 threads even though those threads are far stronger.

 

[digitalgriffin]

I ran a 3400g on windows 11. Yet it's just a slightly overclocked 2400g with a very slight node shrink. And the 2400g isn't supported.

There has to be some difference other than the small node shrink of 14->12nm. This raises my suspicions the two variants of the 3000g is the same.

Either way they make great 25w parts for media servers, nas, and firewall/routers.

 

[thisisaname]

Interesting but AMD could produce a lot better processor at this price, assuming they sell it at $49 and not a higher price.

 

[frogr]

Typo? Zen not Zen 4
The Athlon 3000G launched at $49 four years ago, and the Zen 4 chip.

 

[TechLurker]

Isn't it supposed to be easy to trick Windows 11 into accepting older CPUs without TPMs or w/e requirement it wants?

IIRC, it's still on the list of supported AM4 CPUs on most mobos, simply because it allowed for a fallback for BIOS updates. Esp. during the 400/400 MAX Chipset issues, where AMD's BIOS upgrade kit consisted of one of these that the user then ships back after update.

On a semi-related note, AMD also still produced FX Processors up until Zen+ and secretly updated the coolers for them. I was able to buy a cheap FX 9590X (just for fun and to max out my old AM3 mobo), and it came with the then new and fancy Wraith Prism cooler that originally only came with high-end 1700X and 1800X CPUs.

 

[pug_s]

I think that this processor is probably not for the US market, rather for Asia, Africa or Latim America market. Internet cafe's which needs an inexpensive computer would probably these processors. Aliexpress also sells a Soyo B450m mobo starting for less than $50 new too. However, maybe these are binned Ryzen 3400g cpu's.

 

[abufrejoval]

Interesting but AMD could produce a lot better processor at this price, assuming they sell it at $49 and not a higher price.

I am pretty sure these chips are stock produced years ago, which are now sold off, after e.g. they no longer needed to be held e.g. for use in embedded devices.

CPU vendors sell "industrial" chips with a warranty of availability at a markup, so that they can be replaced if one should break or even be damaged, without having to replace e.g. the huge expensive machine it runs.

And they implement that warranty with dies or chips in stock that can be "personalized" or even still packaged later, after the stock warranty has expired or just the predictions on future replacement needs shrink.

And of course there is always just some plain surplus.

So instead of destroying these chips, sometimes vendors will sell them, often into a niche market, where there is less chance that they'll openly compete with current "better" products.

And $49 is saving of stock cost, makes at least a few bucks and even destroying them "properly" may be more expensive: why do you think Netflix was selling their last DVDs at those prices?

AMD has probably gotten a lot better at this than in the days when they had to destroy $100 Mio worth of Llano APUs that just could not be sold at all.

Of course Intel is doing that, too, although they have also been rumored to just keep older production lines running to feed hyperscalers in China, which is a lot easier if you own your fabs: those last chips are often the best and the cheapest they ever make.

I got some top-notch Haswell and Broadwell Xeons for incredibly low prices that way, which are simply top bin chips that run at incredibly low power and currently sell for $80-160 at 18/22 cores on eBay practically new.

 

[thisisaname]

I am pretty sure these chips are stock produced years ago, which are now sold off, after e.g. they no longer needed to be held e.g. for use in embedded devices.

CPU vendors sell "industrial" chips with a warranty of availability at a markup, so that they can be replaced if one should break or even be damaged, without having to replace e.g. the huge expensive machine it runs.

And they implement that warranty with dies or chips in stock that can be "personalized" or even still packaged later, after the stock warranty has expired or just the predictions on future replacement needs shrink.

And of course there is always just some plain surplus.

So instead of destroying these chips, sometimes vendors will sell them, often into a niche market, where there is less chance that they'll openly compete with current "better" products.

And $49 is saving of stock cost, makes at least a few bucks and even destroying them "properly" may be more expensive: why do you think Netflix was selling their last DVDs at those prices?

AMD has probably gotten a lot better at this than in the days when they had to destroy $100 Mio worth of Llano APUs that just could not be sold at all.

Of course Intel is doing that, too, although they have also been rumored to just keep older production lines running to feed hyperscalers in China, which is a lot easier if you own your fabs: those last chips are often the best and the cheapest they ever make.

I got some top-notch Haswell and Broadwell Xeons for incredibly low prices that way, which are simply top bin chips that run at incredibly low power and currently sell for $80-160 at 18/22 cores on eBay practically new.

Thank you, I had not thought of that angle. It make quite good sense.