News AMD dominates chip sales on Amazon — top ten best selling CPUs all come from Team Red, Intel’s highest entry sits at 11th place

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Amazon's top ten best-selling processors all come from AMD.

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[Deleted member 2961511]

Congrats to AMD for the well-deserved top spot!

As for Intel, they are going through a disastrous period - and they only have themselves to blame, in several instances. They denied the CPU instability scandal for months. They also unashamedly blamed motherboard vendors. Instead of reacting swiftly, they allowed internet reports to fester.

They have been wounded on several fronts and only the government can save them.

 

[thisisaname]

With all of Intels problems they still have more than double AMD's market share, it will be impressive if Intel's market share does not rebound next year.

 

[Dr3ams]

I'm on the fence about upgrading to an AM4 Ryzen 9 5900X. Right now they are cheaper than the original price of the 5600X. I don't really need it, but it would allow me to continue using the AM4 platform for several more years.

 

[spongiemaster]

Congrats to AMD for the well-deserved top spot!

As for Intel, they are going through a disastrous period - and they only have themselves to blame, in several instances. They denied the CPU instability scandal for months. They also unashamedly blamed motherboard vendors. Instead of reacting swiftly, they allowed internet reports to fester.

They have been wounded on several fronts and only the government can save them.

Despite continuously punching themselves in the face for years, Intel's Client Computing Group is still generating more profits than AMD's Client group generates revenue. Intel's financials aren't in such an awful state because of their desktop CPU's.

Here is AMD:

For those keeping score at home, Intel generated $2.5 billion in profits from $7.5 billion in revenue, while AMD generated $89 million from $1.5 billion in revenue.

This is why Intel has no interest in developing a 3DVcache competitor. The enthusiast/DIY market generates an irrelevant amount of revenue/profits compared to the global computing market. Dominating Amazon CPU sales is not a very good indicator of how well AMD is doing in the overall market.

 

[thestryker]

I'm on the fence about upgrading to an AM4 Ryzen 9 5900X. Right now they are cheaper than the original price of the 5600X. I don't really need it, but it would allow me to continue using the AM4 plarform for several more years.

I think the regular AM4 CPUs will likely be around for a while longer since AMD doesn't have many value options on AM5. If gaming is a consideration then a 5700X3D might make sense given how much better the X3D parts are at it than non. Given that these are generally lower volume I wouldn't be as confident on them being around.

 

[shady28]

I think the regular AM4 CPUs will likely be around for a while longer since AMD doesn't have many value options on AM5. If gaming is a consideration then a 5700X3D might make sense given how much better the X3D parts are at it than non. Given that these are generally lower volume I wouldn't be as confident on them being around.

Honestly just from a money making perspective, If I were at AMD and needed to put resources to where the money engines are it would be data center and AI. Client is really more of a mindshare thing.

 

[SunMaster]

AM4 has been an amazing platform/socket. I wonder if AM5 will do equally well - if Zen 6 and 3d cache materialize for AM5 in a couple of years. Two consumer sockets in 10 years (will be 10 in two years) is extremely nice compared to the competition.

 

[hotaru251]

5600x being 5th is lower than i expected. its the best amd4 bang for the buck.

meanwhile shocked 5800x even made list. 5700x is basically the same thing w/o the high temps after an OC.

 

[Math Geek]

I'm on the fence about upgrading to an AM4 Ryzen 9 5900X. Right now they are cheaper than the original price of the 5600X. I don't really need it, but it would allow me to continue using the AM4 platform for several more years.

dropping in a 5900x vs a 5600x is only a good idea if you need the extra threads. not really any single core performance gains to be had (well not enough to justify the cost). but if you need the extra cores/threads, then it's a no brainer. cheaper than a full upgrade to AM5 or intel's newest and gets you a few more years easy enough before needing new ram and all the rest that goes with a new socket/platform.

i've got a 5900x myself and don't think they'll be any need to upgrade for a least a few more years.

 

[wingfinger]

Do the newer models have fewer firmware issues? One issue that was reported was that the firmware TMP was buggy. I think the linux people mentioned that there are issues that they have to work around and/or features that have to be avoided.

There also seem to be quite a few firmware updates, right?

 

[tamalero]

Despite continuously punching themselves in the face for years, Intel's Client Computing Group is still generating more profits than AMD's Client group generates revenue. Intel's financials aren't in such an awful state because of their desktop CPU's.

Here is AMD:

For those keeping score at home, Intel generated $2.5 billion in profits from $7.5 billion in revenue, while AMD generated $89 million from $1.5 billion in revenue.

This is why Intel has no interest in developing a 3DVcache competitor. The enthusiast/DIY market generates an irrelevant amount of revenue/profits compared to the global computing market. Dominating Amazon CPU sales is not a very good indicator of how well AMD is doing in the overall market.

That is most likely because of long term contracts with business vendors and OEMs like DELL.
But unless Intel is throwing again money to prevent these vendors from offering more AMD chips.. the confidence will degrade and the markets will change.

AMD is trouncing Intel on server space as well if I remember correctly.

 

[LuxZg]

AM4 has been an amazing platform/socket. I wonder if AM5 will do equally well - if Zen 6 and 3d cache materialize for AM5 in a couple of years. Two consumer sockets in 10 years (will be 10 in two years) is extremely nice compared to the competition.

IMHO, just logically speaking... AM5 might live even longer. AMD had to go to AM5 because they needed to move to DDR5 and PCIe 5.0, they also gave it higher power. Looking forward, DDR6 isn't even really anywhere close to consumer market. PCIe 6.0 is out there but consumer hasn't even scratched 5.0. We have some SSDs and that's it. For everything else 4.0 is enough. And SSDs don't show noticable real world performance in client PC applications. So we're basically "just fine" with AM5 and connected tech.

DDR4 lasted about 6 years, for clients it started with Skylake, which was released on August 5, 2015. Alder Lake started DDR5 usage, and was released October 27, 2021. That would put DDR6 firmly in 2027, and at the second half.

Ryzen brought AM4 in March 2017 so it was late to DDR4 party. It lasted 5 generations (well, 5 series, 3 real gens from Zen-Zen3). AM5 came with Ryzen 7000 on Sep 27, 2022, so it too lagged almost a year on DDR5. We're now on 3rd series (though 2nd real gen, Zen4 & 5), so Zen 6 is 100% on same socket. And IMHO Zen 7 is highly probable. If pace stays the same AM6 with DDR6 might come around only by autumn/winter 2028 which gives us plenty of time.

I mean this is just guesswork and logic, but Zen 6 is 100% AM5. But as adoption of new memory standards and newer PCIe gets slower (in client computing!) I'd say we could very well see Zen 7 or something like Zen 6+ extend the life of AM6.

Do note that we got new CPUs for AM4 just recently, so it will live and have sales even 8 years after introduction. Similar life would extend AM5 sales deep into 2030!

Anyway, I don't expect AM6 anytime soon.

 

[LuxZg]

That is most likely because of long term contracts with business vendors and OEMs like DELL.
But unless Intel is throwing again money to prevent these vendors from offering more AMD chips.. the confidence will degrade and the markets will change.

AMD is trouncing Intel on server space as well if I remember correctly.

Biggest reason might be that AMD is evading low end models on AM5 same as it did for a long time on AM4. Intel is probably selling a lot if OEM office PCs with low end quad cores like 13100, not to mention they offer lower models. Even if we ignore variants like F/T/S and only count K and non-K, they have 9 desktop and more than 30 mobile CPUs - in 13th gen. Then 14th gen added another 10 on desktop and several more on mobile and embedded. That's a ton of models just for Raptor Lake and refresh, like 60+. AMD has 17 desktop Zen 4 CPUs (not counting PRO), and 26 mobile CPUs. The cheapest one is 179$/€ meaning they are missing about 20 models between 80-180$. And I bet those are selling in very high volumes. Then there's whole range of 35$-100$ CPUs in Celeron and Pentium range, and more in the Atom / Nxxx series. Those all go to mini-PCs and office PCs, school PCs and so on, and that's a massive market that AMD basically ignores. Yes these are mostly Alder Lake and such, but nobody cares, they are sold. I'd very much like to see numbers of i9 vs i7 vs i5 vs i3 vs Pentium vs Celeron vs N-series. It was always clear that i9 are halo products, but I'd say whole i9+i7 is drop in an ocean of overall Intel client CPU sales

 

[NinoPino]

Despite continuously punching themselves in the face for years, Intel's Client Computing Group is still generating more profits than AMD's Client group generates revenue. Intel's financials aren't in such an awful state because of their desktop CPU's.

Here is AMD:

For those keeping score at home, Intel generated $2.5 billion in profits from $7.5 billion in revenue, while AMD generated $89 million from $1.5 billion in revenue.

This is why Intel has no interest in developing a 3DVcache competitor. The enthusiast/DIY market generates an irrelevant amount of revenue/profits compared to the global computing market. Dominating Amazon CPU sales is not a very good indicator of how well AMD is doing in the overall market.

I suppose Intel's executives are thinking the same way as you.

 

[Mattzun]

Pretty much what you would expect.
90 percent of Intel's sales are through prebuilds - Dell/HP/Lenovo etc
Most Intel sales won't show up on Amazon charts.

AMD sells a large proportion of its consumer CPUs do the DIY crowd and it has increased it share of the DIY market,
Great sales for the two best gaming chips.
Good sales cost effective low and mid range CPUs (Zen3/4)
Zen 5 percent and the professional 12+ core chips don't show up - they don' have value for the majority of DIY folks,

 

[DS426]

Pretty much what you would expect.
90 percent of Intel's sales are through prebuilds - Dell/HP/Lenovo etc
Most Intel sales won't show up on Amazon charts.

AMD sells a large proportion of its consumer CPUs do the DIY crowd and it has increased it share of the DIY market,
Great sales for the two best gaming chips.
Good sales cost effective low and mid range CPUs (Zen3/4)
Zen 5 percent and the professional 12+ core chips don't show up - they don' have value for the majority of DIY folks,

That's true but that wasn't the case 5 years ago, especially ~8-10 years ago.

 

[DS426]

Biggest reason might be that AMD is evading low end models on AM5 same as it did for a long time on AM4. Intel is probably selling a lot if OEM office PCs with low end quad cores like 13100, not to mention they offer lower models. Even if we ignore variants like F/T/S and only count K and non-K, they have 9 desktop and more than 30 mobile CPUs - in 13th gen. Then 14th gen added another 10 on desktop and several more on mobile and embedded. That's a ton of models just for Raptor Lake and refresh, like 60+. AMD has 17 desktop Zen 4 CPUs (not counting PRO), and 26 mobile CPUs. The cheapest one is 179$/€ meaning they are missing about 20 models between 80-180$. And I bet those are selling in very high volumes. Then there's whole range of 35$-100$ CPUs in Celeron and Pentium range, and more in the Atom / Nxxx series. Those all go to mini-PCs and office PCs, school PCs and so on, and that's a massive market that AMD basically ignores. Yes these are mostly Alder Lake and such, but nobody cares, they are sold. I'd very much like to see numbers of i9 vs i7 vs i5 vs i3 vs Pentium vs Celeron vs N-series. It was always clear that i9 are halo products, but I'd say whole i9+i7 is drop in an ocean of overall Intel client CPU sales

I'd say most business PC's are running AMD's G and GE models, e.g. the Ryzen 5 8600G. These are somewhat lower-end models compared to AMD's true desktop parts like the 9600X and up. Still, yes, I'm glad to see AMD keeping AM4 around if nothing else to have more of a budget line-up. Even at that, the 5800X3D is all that almost any gamer needs. What is Intel most affordable CPU that competes the closest with it? The now discounted 13900K??

 

[Eximo]

Anyway, I don't expect AM6 anytime soon.

Potentially the move to CUDIMMs may require at least some board revisions, if not a new socket or new CPU I/O die.

I could see that driving an early move to AM5+ so that Intel memory bandwidth doesn't get too far ahead.

 

[thestryker]

Potentially the move to CUDIMMs may require at least some board revisions, if not a new socket or new CPU I/O die.

I could see that driving an early move to AM5+ so that Intel memory bandwidth doesn't get too far ahead.

CUDIMMs should require nothing other than a new IOD.

 

[TeamRed2024]

Team Red > Team Blue

 

[froggx]

I'd say most business PC's are running AMD's G and GE models, e.g. the Ryzen 5 8600G. These are somewhat lower-end models compared to AMD's true desktop parts like the 9600X and up. Still, yes, I'm glad to see AMD keeping AM4 around if nothing else to have more of a budget line-up. Even at that, the 5800X3D is all that almost any gamer needs. What is Intel most affordable CPU that competes the closest with it? The now discounted 13900K??

you can presently get a new 14900k on amazon for about $2 cheaper than a used 5800X3D, so prolly not the best example anymore.