AMD is a company(profit maker) after all!

[andy5174]

AMD is not going to give us great performance at bargain price anymore due to nVidia being out of competition. Their current HD5xxx card's performance is not so great for its price and the HD5770 is a good example. They are doing exactly same as what they did in the CPU market when Intel was with the Pentium Dual Core series. Hope that nVidia can take back the throne with their GT300 so that people will be able to get great bargains.

AMD is not as considerate of consumers as many people think and so they don't deserve sympathy for their current difficult situation in the CPU market. AMD is also a commercial organization after all.

Competition is all what we need! Wake up, nVidia!

 

[kohd]

Their current HD5xxx card's performance is not so great for its price and the HD5770 is a good example. They are doing exactly same as what they did in the CPU market when Intel was with the Pentium Dual Core series.

While the main point of your post is accurate (we need nVidia's direct X11 cards to maintain an aggressive GPU market), you seem to be misunderstanding some of the reasoning behind ATI's prices. It isn't all about gouging costs to make a bundle while nVidia's out of the picture, briefly or not.

The 5770 is not as cheap as it should be, true. But why? It's performance is relatively that of a 4870, which is older technology. So if you were in the same boat as ATI, what would you do? Make sure the 48xxs are distributed before completely replacing it with the newer 57xx series. If the 5750 and 5770 were both equal to or below the prices of the 48xx series...who would buy the older cards? Nobody, except a few who are cross firing. Why would ATI purposely shoot themselves in the foot and get stuck with a bundle of 4850s and 4870s before direct X11 software is truly even ready for the hardware?

And to say the 5850 and 5870 are not a bargain price for the performance and features they bring to the table is a bit ridiculous.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

While I agree we need competition, the 57xx series will drop in price, as the lower 4xxx series EOLs, and clears stock.
Also, I think everyone needs to step back a second, and see what theyre getting for so lil money.
If ATIs prices are soooo high, why doesnt nBidia just lower THEIR prices and take over on the cards they DO have out?

 

[witcherx]

Aah. What do you expect it to be a Socialist. LOL.

IF you research the last 1-2 years for the prices of new gpu introduced, I will say that at least AMD/ATI is not charging over the roof prices.

When the 8800 ultra/alpha dogs came out there was little competition from ATI so they charged *$600-$800 prices for their gpus. It was a xmas nightmare for me. Which soon dropped to 1/2 as soon ATI had cards @ par Nvidia.

At least AMD/ATI got a very nice performance/price/product at a decent price which most can afford. IMO AMD is very considerate.


Good job Amd/Ati.
PS: Yes, we need competition.

 

[andy5174]

The 5770 is not as cheap as it should be, true. But why? It's performance is relatively that of a 4870, which is older technology. So if you were in the same boat as ATI, what would you do? Make sure the 48xxs are distributed before completely replacing it with the newer 57xx series.

It's true! However, you are talking in the view of the businessman instead of us, the consumers. Why should we customers care about what those commercial organisations think while they only care about our money?

And to say the 5850 and 5870 are not a bargain price for the performance and features they bring to the table is a bit ridiculous.

I don't consider the HD5870/HD5850 as a bargain, as it is no better than the GTX295 which is a old card with its price not being much lower. ATI used to make the not much but significantly better new card cheaper than the previous series. In addition, some peoples might say the power efficiency has been greatly improved. Yes, it is true but they were able to and could do it earlier.

 

[brockh]

The 5770 is not as cheap as it should be, true. But why? It's performance is relatively that of a 4870, which is older technology. So if you were in the same boat as ATI, what would you do? Make sure the 48xxs are distributed before completely replacing it with the newer 57xx series.

It's true! However, you are talking in the view of the businessman instead of us, the consumers. Why should we customers care about what those commercial organisations think while they only care about our money?

And to say the 5850 and 5870 are not a bargain price for the performance and features they bring to the table is a bit ridiculous.

I don't consider the HD5870/HD5850 as a bargain, as it is no better than the GTX295 which is a old card with its price not being much lower. ATI used to make the not much but significantly better new card cheaper than the previous series. In addition, some peoples might say the power efficiency has been greatly improved. Yes, it is true but they were able to and could do it earlier.

Go away. We don't need any more people stirring up nonsense around here. This just a sugar-coated version of what you're really trying to say which is nothing important or insightful at all. And before you go on ranting, I don't really care about ATi or NVidia and how they choose their pricing, it all falls in line and the price on all of the new generation ATi cards at the moment are completely reasonable. Are they bargain basement sales? No, but they shouldn't be, they're BRAND NEW.

The 5870 is $80 less than the cheapest GTX 295 and offers on-par or better performance with a huge amount less power consumption and heat, not to mention DirectX 11 and Eyefinity/Stream support. The GTX 295 is two old cards.

Also, your avatar is dumb.

 

[witcherx]

Looks like the OP is feeling the AMD/ATI Pinch..... 😛

 

[andy5174]

@ brockh:

HD5870 $729NZD

GTX295 $756NZD

Much cheaper? You are blind!

 

[andy5174]

Looks like the OP is feeling the AMD/ATI Pinch..... 😛

Not at all.

I just stand on the customers' view. Of course, we customers want bargains which AMD USED to offer when nVidia was there.

 

[kohd]

we customers want bargains which AMD USED to offer when nVidia was there.

Please don't lump the rest of us into the same category as you ;P Yes, us customers want bargains, which we got. In the coming months that bargain will become even more profound. You, however, apparently want to be given your GPU at cost value regardless of how the manufacturing company stands to lose from your insane demands. I suppose if you had your way, ATI would sell at cost, go bankrupt, and nVidia would again raise their top single GPUs to over $600 a pop. Sounds good to me, yeah? I think you're confusing bargain pricing with charity.

Also, please don't try to use wonky exchange rates in New Zealand as a way to pretend that the 5870 is anywhere near the same price as the GTX 295 ;P

Stop trolling!

 

[andy5174]

Please don't lump the rest of us into the same category as you ;P Yes, us customers want bargains, which we got. In the coming months that bargain will become even more profound. You, however, apparently want to be given your GPU at cost value regardless of how the manufacturing company stands to lose from your insane demands. I suppose if you had your way, ATI would sell at cost, go bankrupt, and nVidia would again raise their top single GPUs to over $600 a pop. Sounds good to me, yeah?

Also, please don't try to use wonky exchange rates in New Zealand as a way to pretend that the 5870 is anywhere near the same price as the GTX 295 ;P

Stop trolling!

You obviously not us, customers, but a greedy businessman!

In addition, AMD is/was the one who try to pinch customers when nVidia/Intel is/was out of competition

 

[kohd]

You obviously not us, customers, but a greedy businessman!

That could very well be!

Or, I am the average consumer willing to pay for a product I deem worthy...and you're a kid whose parents won't pay $375 for a top of the line ATI GPU?

 

[witcherx]

It like when Nvidia got this cuda stuff.. every 1 went cuda ha cuda ho...

Dont just compare the price. Also check the other hidden +++ technology offerings from ATI/AMD
1. Multi x3, x6,x24 monitor support.
2. Tessalation
3. DirectCompute.

IMO ATI/AMD has come out with the best price/performance/product till date for us customers. Ofcourse they would want to milk some profits.

Going by the history of new product launches, if it would be Nvidia launching a new product before ATI they would be charging $800 + plus for their cards.
Read the 4th post above

 

[andy5174]

That could very well be!

Or, I am the average consumer willing to pay for a product I deem worthy...and you're a kid whose parents won't pay $375 for a top of the line ATI GPU?

This is not the place for greedy businessman like you and leave please. This forum is for customers who are looking for bargain info!

 

[witcherx]

It like when Nvidia got this cuda stuff.. every 1 went cuda ha cuda ho...

Dont just compare the price. Also check the other hidden +++ technology offerings from ATI/AMD
1. Multi x3, x6,x24 monitor support.
2. Tessalation
3. DirectCompute.

IMO ATI/AMD has come out with the best price/performance/product till date for us customers. Ofcourse they would want to milk some profits.

Going by the history of new product launches, if it would be Nvidia launching a new product before ATI they would be charging $800 + plus for their cards.
Read the 4th post above

 

[andy5174]

AMD: $8000USD would be good for HD5870
kohd(sucking at AMD's toe): too cheap! make it more expensive! Please, my lord!

 

[witcherx]

Looking at your other posts in other threads.
I bet the OP is feeling the AMD/ATI Pinch..... 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛

 

[michaelmk86]

The 5870 is $80 less than the cheapest GTX 295 and offers on-par or better performance

I smell an ATIfanboy here
If you look some benchmarks you will see that the GTX 295 is faster almost in any situation.
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,696698/Ati-Radeon-HD-5850/5870-Crossfire-vs-Nvidia-Geforce-GTX-285-SLI-Multi-GPU-Shootout/Reviews/?page=3

Yes, the GTX295 is just too expensive now almost the same price as it cost in the release date. There is no point to get a GTX295 now(it is very old rusty card), the 5870x2 and GTX300series are only a few mouths away. But back then in January the GTX295 was Best Bang for Buck! 499 € while the 4870x2 was 469 € and the GTX260 was 250 €.

 

[andy5174]

Looking at your other posts in other threads.
I bet the OP is feeling the AMD/ATI Pinch..... 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛

Why don't you mention the threads that I recommended HD5870 over GTX295? I am NOT fan boys who support their favorite brand no matter what.

 

[brockh]

@ brockh:

HD5870 $729NZD

GTX295 $756NZD

Much cheaper? You are blind!

HD 5870
GTX 295

$85 USD difference. The majority of people here will find that the US dollar will be more relevant to them; Much more, especially someone who's actually trying to find them honest prices. I'm done posting in this thread.

I smell an ATIfanboy here
If you look some benchmarks you will see that the GTX 295 is faster almost in any situation.
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,696698/Ati-Radeon-HD-5850/5870-Crossfire-vs-Nvidia-Geforce-GTX-285-SLI-Multi-GPU-Shootout/Reviews/?page=3

Yes, the GTX295 is just too expensive now almost the same price as it cost in the release date. There is no point to get a GTX295 now(it is very old rusty card), the 5870x2 and GTX300series are only a few mouths away. But back then in January the GTX295 was Best Bang for Buck! 499 € while the 4870x2 was 469 € and the GTX260 was 250 €.

Sure does look like someone is hand picking their benchmarks here.

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,696698/Ati-Radeon-HD-5850/5870-Crossfire-vs-Nvidia-Geforce-GTX-285-SLI-Multi-GPU-Shootout/Reviews/?page=4

Which card is winning there? The 5870? And what's also beating it? The 285 too? Start making posts when you have a point.

 

[andy5174]

HD 5870
GTX 295

$85 difference. The majority of people here will find that the US dollar will be more relevant to them; Much more, especially someone who's actually trying to find them honest prices. I'm done posting in this thread.

Great, thank you very much! I don't have any intention in talking to rude peoples.

 

[witcherx]

Ya but you putting up the opinion <<AMD is not as

considerate

of consumers >>
is not correct.
Check on the CPU side also It is because of AMD one can get a quad for under $100.
And this has kept the Intel CPU prices in check otherwise we would be buying that celeron $%$%

Same speaks of gpu. It is because of Amd/Ati that you are not shelling out $800-$1000 for Nvidia. If that would be the case you would be stuck with some geForce FX 5200 card LOL

 

[michaelmk86]

Sure does look like someone is hand picking their benchmarks here.

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,696698/Ati-Radeon-HD-5850/5870-Crossfire-vs-Nvidia-Geforce-GTX-285-SLI-Multi-GPU-Shootout/Reviews/?page=4

Which card is winning there? The 5870? And what's also beating it? The 285 too? Start making posts when you have a point.

What?? Every benchmark in this article show the GTX295 to have a clear win over the HD5870.

Here some other benchmarks.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v713/Beany2004/perfrel.gif

 

[andy5174]

Ya but you putting up the opinion <<AMD is not as

considerate

of consumers >>
is not correct.
Check on the CPU side also It is because of AMD one can get a quad for under $100.
And this has kept the Intel CPU prices in check otherwise we would be buying that celeron $%$%

Same speaks of gpu. It is because of Amd/Ati that you are not shelling out $800-$1000 for Nvidia. If that would be the case you would be stuck with some geForce FX 5200 card LOL

My point was that "ATI is the one who pinch us RIGHT NOW". I didn't mean that I want AMD to disappear so that Intel and nVidia can rape us!

p.s. ATI is not as considerate of customers as many people, especially ATI fan boys, think they are

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

If the pricing in NZ is extremely high, as you say, theres nothing that can be done right now, and you should blame those greedy NZ business men, and not ATI, where the 5870 is cheaper everywhere else on the planet Ive seen so far.
Im sure you could find an exception, but thats exactly what it is, an exception.
The 5870 trades blows with the 295 when you use higher settings, which these cards are for anyways, so with beta drivers, it isnt do to bad.
The 5770 will prove out to be between the 4870 and the 4890, except in DX11 games, where itll lose, the the 5870 will win.
Not sure why having to wait for lower prices is a bad thing, nVidia doesnt even have a card out to buy, and like youre saying, you can buy old stuff as well.
Why is it when you buy a brand new car, its value drops 3000$ the second you drive it off the lot?
Thats business, get used to it, it makes the world spin round