News AMD leaks new entry-level Ryzen 5 9600X3D CPU — new gaming-optimized 3D V-Cache chip expected before the end of the year

[Admin]

AMD has confirmed the existence of several upcoming processors, including a new entry-level Ryzen 5 9600X3D desktop CPU featuring its popular gaming-optimized 3D V-Cache technology.

AMD leaks new entry-level Ryzen 5 9600X3D CPU — new gaming-optimized 3D V-Cache chip expected before the end of the year : Read more

 

[usertests]

CPU	MSRP	Street
9600X	$279	$180
9700X	$359	$305-320
9800X3D	$479	$470

9600X3D MSRP? Maybe $300.

 

[thestryker]

Glad to see that they're doing another 6 core SKU as these seem to be a great gaming performance value option.

I know there's more margin to be had at the x900X3D level, but the x600X3D has got to be selling at a much higher volume. It seems to me that the smart play for AMD would be to not release a 12 core model at all and just keep those CCDs for the eventual 6 core model release.

 

[lmcnabney]

The 9800X3D dies with a bad core or two needed to go somewhere. The yields must have been really good if they won't have enough to create a product line until Q3.

 

[Eximo]

The 9800X3D dies with a bad core or two needed to go somewhere. The yields must have been really good if they won't have enough to create a product line until Q3.

Theoretically these would be chips they binned to be 9800X3D originally, but failed the packaging steps.

Or they were just consuming the chips for the 9900X3D until sales of that model stagnated.

 

[usertests]

I know there's more margin to be had at the x900X3D level, but the x600X3D has got to be selling at a much higher volume. It seems to me that the smart play for AMD would be to not release a 12 core model at all and just keep those CCDs for the eventual 6 core model release.

Zen 6 X3D will be fascinating. With the move to 12-core chiplets, the standard single-CCD X3D model will have 12 cores, and it will be great. But nobody needs that many cores for gaming yet, so if 8-core or 10-core X3D becomes available, it would be an obvious choice while matching or beating the 9800X3D in core count. The multi-threading performance of 8-10 Zen 6 cores should be acceptable for most users.

It would be a great time for AMD to cancel a dual-CCD 9900X3D successor, and make people choose between 12 or 24 cores instead of offering 16/20 in the middle. Then provide more supply for the lower model. Probably with a staggered release to not undercut the 12-core.

Theoretically these would be chips they binned to be 9800X3D originally, but failed the packaging steps.

Or they were just consuming the chips for the 9900X3D until sales of that model stagnated.

Here's what AnandTech said about the 5600X3D in 2023:

Hardware-wise, I’m a bit surprised to see that AMD has enough of these harvested chips to even bother with a salvage run. The intricate die stacking required to place a V-cache die on a CCD means that there’s no reason AMD should be placing the cache on anything less than a perfect, 8 core Zen 3 CCD. Still, it would seem that either the CCD validation process or the stacking process is imprecise enough that a few less-than-perfect parts still make it through the cracks. And hey, it makes for some good conversational hardware.

I don't think the packaging can be allowed to fail, it would be all or nothing. There must be some intent to put cache chiplets on top of 6 good core CCDs, or what was thought to be 8 good cores, but the completed X3D product didn't make the final validation cut.

 

[mwestall]

Zen 6 X3D will be fascinating. With the move to 12-core chiplets, the standard single-CCD X3D model will have 12 cores, and it will be great. But nobody needs that many cores for gaming yet, so if 8-core or 10-core X3D becomes available, it would be an obvious choice while matching or beating the 9800X3D in core count. The multi-threading performance of 8-10 Zen 6 cores should be acceptable for most users.

It would be a great time for AMD to cancel a dual-CCD 9900X3D successor, and make people choose between 12 or 24 cores instead of offering 16/20 in the middle. Then provide more supply for the lower model. Probably with a staggered release to not undercut the 12-core.

Here's what AnandTech said about the 5600X3D in 2023:

I don't think the packaging can be allowed to fail, it would be all or nothing. There must be some intent to put cache chiplets on top of 6 good core CCDs, or what was thought to be 8 good cores, but the completed X3D product didn't make the final validation cut.

Some people need productivity and gaming, hence high core count x3d models. The world most definitely does not revolve around gaming.

 

[usertests]

Some people need productivity and gaming, hence high core count x3d models. The world most definitely does not revolve around gaming.

They can get the 24-core model instead of an intermediate 16-20 core option. But the multi-threading performance of 12-core Zen 6 is going to be significant, probably around a 7950X or faster. Most people won't need more, and if they do they can pay for it.

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

hence high core count x3d models

Neither does the world of gaming revolve around an X3D part! Just sayin.

 

[Roland Of Gilead]

Most people won't need more,

Most implies maybe 70-80% of people. Higher core count CPU's don't sell as much as the midrange CPU's do.

IMO, most consumers don't need more than 6/8 cores which is perfectly fine. Midrange is where most of the chips sell. Balance of cores and performance. Not everyone wants or needs a bleeding edge chip.