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AMD had stated the AM5 would be supported into 2025 so I would expect at least the 8XXX to be AM5.

How long the AM4 support lasted will probably never happen again. Board manufactures are in the business of selling new boards.
 
rluker5 said:
Is this going to be like the AM3+ AM3 AM2+ ?
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Better not be, after years of intels socket jumping I gave up for some time. Finally decided to upgrade my aging 3770k system last year and went to AM5. I gave up trying to keep up with intel after going from 775 to 1366 to 1155 in 3 architecture changes.
And my O/C’d 3770k still ran the latest AAA games decently with a latest gen gpu.
One of the compelling reasons to go back to AMD since the old a64 days, along side better power, performance etc.. was how long AMD stuck with AM4.
 
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Zen 5 requiring a new socket would be a huge misstep if that happens, but I think we can expect that to still be normal AM5. Though people shouldn't be fooled into thinking that "support" for a socket means new architectures released for that socket. Technically, AMD is still supporting AM4 in 2024 with the release of new products like the 5700X3D. We could see a new architecture launch in 2025 for the AM5+ or AM6 sockets, but AMD could still fulfill their promise by releasing new CPUs using existing architectures for AM5 as well.
 
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Toopy said:
Better not be, after years of intels socket jumping I gave up for some time. Finally decided to upgrade my aging 3770k system last year and went to AM5. I gave up trying to keep up with intel after going from 775 to 1366 to 1155 in 3 architecture changes.
And my O/C’d 3770k still ran the latest AAA games decently with a latest gen gpu.
One of the compelling reasons to go back to AMD since the old a64 days, along side better power, performance etc.. was how long AMD stuck with AM4.
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I don't think AM2+ or AM3+ were big negatives. With AM2+, it allowed AM2, AM2+, and AM3 processors. In fact, AM3 processors worked all the way back to AM2 sockets, IIRC. That's an upgrader's dream!

AM3+ was really more of an AM3-. It uselessly allowed use of old processors, while introducing uselessly bad new CPUs. Just skip Bulldozer and AM3+ and pretend they never happened.

Anyhow, I'm hoping that AM6 uses DDR5, so that there's no reason to make 8000, 9000, or 10k series processors incompatible with AM5, like with AM2.
 
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Since AM5 already has plenty of connectivity I'm guessing that the potential benefit of a potential AM5+ is some new feature like some new NPU utilization or maybe some overclocking functionality that will be necessary to get the most performance out of Zen 5. And that AM5 will only offer basic functionality of Zen 5.

An improved IHS does not need a new socket designation, just a different cooler mount like in the case of direct die.

But this is all conjecture since it isn't clear that AM5+ will be a thing yet.
 
peachpuff said:
Am5 already outdated after one generation?
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Unlikely.
Given AMD's track record I would hold off on declaring the AM5 outdated until there is actual products showing otherwise.
AM5 it will of course eventually be replaced, but we don't know what AM5+ is or if it is even something that becomes a product at all.
 
dalauder said:
I don't think AM2+ or AM3+ were big negatives. With AM2+, it allowed AM2, AM2+, and AM3 processors. In fact, AM3 processors worked all the way back to AM2 sockets, IIRC. That's an upgrader's dream!

AM3+ was really more of an AM3-. It uselessly allowed use of old processors, while introducing uselessly bad new CPUs. Just skip Bulldozer and AM3+ and pretend they never happened.

Anyhow, I'm hoping that AM6 uses DDR5, so that there's no reason to make 8000, 9000, or 10k series processors incompatible with AM5, like with AM2.
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No - AM3+ was not fully backward compatible with AM3; it supported AM3 processors but not AM2 ones, and AM3+ processors couldn't plug into AM3 boards. AMD made it expressely so because doing otherwise would have incurred too much of a performance penalty on their latest processors. AM3+ processors didn't include a DDR2 controller for that reason, but supported higher DDR3 speeds.
 
Honestly, give the speed of current PCIe, USB, and other interfaces, as well as current CPU capabilities and the fact that the GPU is the biggest limiter in games as well as "AI" tasks, there's about as much reason to upgrade your motherboard and CPU every couple of years as there is to upgrade your phone. Go high end on those from either team, pack it with 32GB+ RAM, and you'll only need to consider a GPU and SSD upgrade for the next decade.
 
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Recall, AM2 -> AM2+ (->AM3) had *some* intercompatiblity.
Unlike that era, there's no IMC 'jump' to a new DDR generation.

Don't be surprised if this 'move' ends up something akin to Z170-CoffeeLake. (Semi- and unofficial compatibility)


AM5+ is likely improvements to PCIE Gen5 '-ability', and a re-tweak the Power Specifications (Maybe, USB4 integration?).

I'd bet money on (at least some) inter-compatibility.
 
mitch074 said:
No - AM3+ was not fully backward compatible with AM3; it supported AM3 processors but not AM2 ones, and AM3+ processors couldn't plug into AM3 boards. AMD made it expressely so because doing otherwise would have incurred too much of a performance penalty on their latest processors. AM3+ processors didn't include a DDR2 controller for that reason, but supported higher DDR3 speeds.
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Yes, you're correct. My point was that AM3+ was useless and not really worth talking about, other than to say that we hope AM5+ is like AM2+.

If it's like AM2+, that would be AWESOME.
 
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