AMD Phenom 9100 May Be A Home Run

[TSIMonster]

Id still buy a C2D which are faster than the Phailure.

In Video work? I think not.

 

[rallyimprezive]

This is probably the stupidest idea AMD ever proposed. sub-200 USD for a quad? What about Phenom's own manufacturing cost / developmental cost? What about their own tri-core? What about their dual cores? AMD is pushing on their ASP so much that I can hardly see them being profitable.

If you consider the speculations that the Phenoms 3rd core is flawed, selling 1.8ghz quads could be better than scrapping the entire chip.

My GUESS is that these 9100s are chips that just didnt do so well at higher clocks.

I dont think this is gonna be a good chip for OC.

 

[yomamafor1]

I think the 3rd flawed core has more to do with manufacturing variance than design.

I also think the alleged "1.8Ghz to 2.6Ghz" is dubious, unless we're talking about extreme overclocking. In order for Phenom 9100 to reach 2.6Ghz, it has to go from 200 x 9 to 290 x 9. That's a huge jump if you ask me.

 

[cnumartyr]

I think the 3rd flawed core has more to do with manufacturing variance than design.

I also think the alleged "1.8Ghz to 2.6Ghz" is dubious, unless we're talking about extreme overclocking. In order for Phenom 9100 to reach 2.6Ghz, it has to go from 200 x 9 to 290 x 9. That's a huge jump if you ask me.

I think we are looking more at 2.25 GHz or so on the overclock. Either way I don't think it's going to be an overclocking chip. It's bargain basement chip for encoding and graphics design.

I don't think this is big news...

What market is it going to be a home run in? Gaming? 4 Cores at 1.8 GHz will perform even worse than the 2.4 GHz K8. Rendering? Perhaps, we will have to wait on the Q6400 price point. Overclocking? If they could run it at 2.6 GHz it would be sold at 2.6 GHz.

 

[engrpiman]

Obviously a e8400 at 4ghz is sexy. But for those who need a quad for rendering/multimedia/encoding/folding...It's not bad at 140 a pop, and if they hit 2.4-2.6...It'll make it more worth it.

...

but who in there right mind would build a low budget machine for high powered work? I would bet that 90% of the people that are serious about rendering/multimedia/encoding/folding would also be the kind of people to spend over $1000 on a PC or upgrade an existing machine. thus they would not build a budget machine, negating the usefulness of the Phenom 9100.

The type of people that would use the Phenom 9100 are the people that use their PC for basic work (office ) and in their cases the Phenom 9100 would provide little to no benefit. they would be better off saving money and going duel core

also if you need power : you would go with the Intel platform because you could then upgrade later. the Q6600 outperforms the Phenom leaving you with lots of open doors .. Plus the Core 2 is tested and stable. lots of people are having stability problems with the Phenom which is what you don't want if you are doing rendering/multimedia/encoding/folding .

 

[ro3dog]

for a cheap spider-htpc,yes I would.

 

[fazers_on_stun]

but who in there right mind would build a low budget machine for high powered work? I would bet that 90% of the people that are serious about rendering/multimedia/encoding/folding would also be the kind of people to spend over $1000 on a PC or upgrade an existing machine. thus they would not build a budget machine, negating the usefulness of the Phenom 9100.

The type of people that would use the Phenom 9100 are the people that use their PC for basic work (office ) and in their cases the Phenom 9100 would provide little to no benefit. they would be better off saving money and going duel core

also if you need power : you would go with the Intel platform because you could then upgrade later. the Q6600 outperforms the Phenom leaving you with lots of open doors .. Plus the Core 2 is tested and stable. lots of people are having stability problems with the Phenom which is what you don't want if you are doing rendering/multimedia/encoding/folding .

Hmm, perhaps those who want to do some anemic megatasking on the cheap might consider the 9100

 

[snarfies1]

but who in there right mind would build a low budget machine for high powered work? I would bet that 90% of the people that are serious about rendering/multimedia/encoding/folding would also be the kind of people to spend over $1000 on a PC or upgrade an existing machine. thus they would not build a budget machine, negating the usefulness of the Phenom 9100.

When I was in college I wanted to do video work, but simply didn't HAVE that kind of money. This may have been a nice solution for me. Instead I managed to get by with my socket 939 single core (X2 wasn't out yet, and I managed to get the only 939 board Asus made that didn't support X2, argh). Mind you, even then I wouldn't have touched the thing with its current issues...

 

[blueeyesm]

"anemic megatasking"

So, in other words, average multitasking.....

 

[curnel_D]

but who in there right mind would build a low budget machine for high powered work? I would bet that 90% of the people that are serious about rendering/multimedia/encoding/folding would also be the kind of people to spend over $1000 on a PC or upgrade an existing machine. thus they would not build a budget machine, negating the usefulness of the Phenom 9100.

The type of people that would use the Phenom 9100 are the people that use their PC for basic work (office ) and in their cases the Phenom 9100 would provide little to no benefit. they would be better off saving money and going duel core

I deal with customers all the time that are looking for the cheapest possible solution to these problems. Why?

Because the money they save ends up in their pocket.

And customers who are getting bonuses after saving money are far more prone to by phenom machines over the more expensive intel machines, when all they need is a quadcore machine.

 

[bombasschicken]

IF, they don't mess it up...

 

[rallyimprezive]

It will be a "home run" in t-ball.

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

I think they are going the wrong way with bins.

YOU ARE WRONG! AMD KNOWS WHAT CONSUMERS WANT! THEY WANT SLOWER PROCESSORS, NOT FASTER!


I share the concern of others, can they profit on this product?

2.6ghz overclock? I doubt it. If it could clock that high they'd probably sell it as a black edition and make more money.

 

[Someguyperson]

I think this chip would be for a entry-level workstation chip and would be more suited to work in Maya than Crysis or COD4. If you think about it, a $60 price differential could easily turn into a $3000 price differential when taking a graphic studios' needs into account. This could also be an option for collage students who have little cash, and could actually need the four cores now. I have a Q6600 because I won't buy another computer in a long time. One of the only things that kept my old computer alive is SSE instruction set. The first one. I can see many collage kids who would actually need this instead of what I have.

 

[ahslan]

so when are these $100-$140 phenoms supposed to arrive????

 

[rallyimprezive]

so when are these $100-$140 phenoms supposed to arrive????

Right before they fail miserably in the market.

 

[sedaine]

Phenom 9700 2.4Ghz is $300+ (availabilty)
Phenom 9600 2.3Ghz is $240 (Newegg.com)
Phenom 9500 2.2Ghz is $200 (Newegg.com)
Phenom 9400 2.1Ghz is $170-180 (Unconfirmed CPU)
Phenom 9300 2.0Ghz is $150-170 (Unconfirmed CPU)
Phenom 9200 1.9Ghz is $140-150 (Unconfirmed CPU)
Phenom 9100 1.8Ghz is $100-140 (Future CPU)


Intel Q6600 is $260


Likely the budget buyer would want cheap CPU and mobo combination. The q6600 would cost as much as Phenom 9100 + $100 mobo and 1GB of RAM!

That is almost a whole PC.

Budget builders will have eyes on this.

 

[sedaine]

I think this chip would be for a entry-level workstation chip and would be more suited to work in Maya than Crysis or COD4. If you think about it, a $60 price differential could easily turn into a $3000 price differential when taking a graphic studios' needs into account. This could also be an option for collage students who have little cash, and could actually need the four cores now. I have a Q6600 because I won't buy another computer in a long time. One of the only things that kept my old computer alive is SSE instruction set. The first one. I can see many collage kids who would actually need this instead of what I have.

I agree with you on the college kids thing.

 

[stonecold91]

in the B3 stepping the TLB bug will be fixed and the the overclocking potential will be the same as they are now, but in B4 stepping they will put stress upon the overclocking potential of the processor...just imagine that phenom 9100 overclocked to 3.0ghz ( i will definitely but that processor)...

 

[sedaine]

Tri-Core CPU's will be clocked higher so will be priced higher than Quads. Though I feel they are squeezing the Tri-Cores out of the game.

 

[uguv]

in the B3 stepping the TLB bug will be fixed and the the overclocking potential will be the same as they are now, but in B4 stepping they will put stress upon the overclocking potential of the processor...just imagine that phenom 9100 overclocked to 3.0ghz ( i will definitely but that processor)...

I'll believe that when I see it.

 

[grieve]

The upcoming Phenom 9100 will be the budget king for Quad Core CPU's. It is expected to cost $100-140 and will certainly get many looks from budget system builders who want to sell quads on thee cheap.

Word has it they will overclock from their 1.8Ghz to about 2.6Ghz.

How in the world did we get a two page thread from complete speculation?!

As for everything AMD has done of late, let’s wait and see what happens.

One thing I am certain about is Intel will not let AMD own the ‘low’ end… they’ll drop prices on something to stay competitive. So if this is true, bonus to us all!

 

[Amiga500]

in the B3 stepping the TLB bug will be fixed and the the overclocking potential will be the same as they are now, but in B4 stepping they will put stress upon the overclocking potential of the processor...just imagine that phenom 9100 overclocked to 3.0ghz ( i will definitely but that processor)...

The reports were that there would be no B4 stepping. The next one was C-X - a 45nm version.

 

[stonecold91]

phenom B4- http://xtreview.com/addcomment.php?id=4154
but in another review they say that they talked with the amd and amd said that b3 will be the last 65nm,,,after this onwards C-X- will be there a 45nm processor

 

[TechnologyCoordinator]

It's more of a bunt than a home run....