AMD Phenom FX Deneb Core - Kentsfield Beater

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Ok guys I got it. Here is some more info. That pic that the OP site has is just cut and pasted from the pic I first posted:

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Look closley and you can see that the CPU-Z shots are the same.

This was reported in 2 places. first was here:

http://www.expreview.com/news/hard/2008-08-01/1217578981d9645.html

Translated:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.expreview.com%2Fnews%2Fhard%2F2008-08-01%2F1217578981d9645.html&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=zh-CN&tl=en

Second was the forums it was gotten from:

http://www.overclock.net/amd-cpus/356662-amd-phenom-45nm.html#post4285114

Thats where this all began.

As we can see this is just a cry for attention from that site and all it is is a Deneb core CPU being able to reach 4GHz OC and NOT a Phenom FX-80 as we are lead to believe.

This means that the stock CPU speed is 2.3GHz and the abilty to OC is still to be seen as that 4GHz OC shot does not have a CPU-Z validation and plus the AOD has some things in it that make it seem fake.

But still there is no Phenom FX planned yet. AMD said they may bring it back for Deneb depending on the demand but it will more than likely start out at 2.8GHz for the FX-80 and the FX-90 will be 3GHz.

So I am sorry to say but no there will not be any 4GHz stock AMD CPUs any time soon.
 
What I'm trying to figure out is ,how could something so moronic ,as this thread, has such longgevity.From AMD is going out of business in 48hrs,to AMD is buying Intel next week.Never ending.I'm with Jaydeejohn on ''show me the money'',however,knowing how hard it is for AMD to reach 3 gigs with the Phenoms muchless 4.4.
 
Nothing official, no oops like we saw from Annands. Annands was intentional. All speculation at this point. If theres problems, itll show soon enough. Knowing nothing at this point, or actually very little means very little. I think AMD knows they need to "stick" this landing
 
Ok guys I decided to do a bit more digging into it and took the picture and examined it very closely. From my examination I see a few things that make me question the legitamacy of this OC itself even. I found a good example of AOD to compare with this one. Look for yourself:

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This is the "supposed" 4GHz screen

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This is a screen from AMDs site.

Look at the text of the frequency across the CPUs in the first one compared to the second one. The first one the first frequency text is normal. Then the following three are bigger. Same goes with the multiplier, voltage and temp. Also the following three cores stats are all a bit more to the left than the first one.

Now AMD being a big proffesional CPU company would never allow this to happen and would want consistency in the looks of the program itself. I will take into account that they are probably different versions i.e. the one on AMDs site though is probably older than the one in the screen.

But I can most likely with out a doubt assert that this screen all together is fake given the larger text than some and the overall sketchiness of it.

I would also like to point out this: In the above picture somehow the voltages in CPU-Z and AOD differ. Some would say its because CPU-Z cannot read Denebs voltages correctly but if that were true then why does this picture show the voltage near what they had to set it to to OC Deneb to 3.44GHz?:

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Note that the CPU-Z in this screen and the above screen are the same version, version 1.46. The last screen shows it as Revision: RB-C0 yet the other one has no Revision number yet is a stepping ahead of the last screenshot I posted. Both are ES (Engineering Samples) so I would expect both to have Revision numbers.

Lets also consider that post where the 4GHz Deneb came from was posted on 7/11/2008 yet the last screenshot I posted was from a article done on 8/02/2008. How can the earlier one have a later stepping number than the most recent chip info?

So to sum it up, the text on that ss is not the right size for all of it, the voltage in CPU-Z is wrong but is read fine on other Deneb chips and I am now 100% sure that this is all fake.

If anyone wants to try to dispute it feel free but you will be very hard pressed to do so.
 


While this is true, you don't want bad info like this spreading. It is info like this that caused the whole Phenom debacle. I remember seeing on here and Youtube how it will be stock 3GHz and 40% faster than C2Q and so on and so forth. Then launch date comes and we get hit with a 2.2GHz chip stock and its about 10-20% slower than C2Q clock per clock.

Now this image that was in the OP has spread throughout the internet with no real means of stopping. I have read countless threads with people just believeing it as if it were fact on paper from AMD themselves.

Well whats going to happen when Deneb comes out at the 2.2GHz-2.6Ghz range? And then there is no FX 80 or AMD does release it but it is only at 2.8GHz? People will basically do like what happened with Phenom, some pissed off others dissapointed and it will end badly for AMD.

So what I am doing is merely digging for the truth. I already found that the CPU--Z shot was from a OCers forum and then that if you look at the info I provided you can cleary see that it is even a fake OC itself.

This way no one gets their hopes up for a chip that somehow gaines hige IPC and clock speeds from a simple die shrink and cache enlargement.
 
I understand what your saying Jimmy, and I agree with you. The comment I was referencing from Jaydeejohn was slightly off topic, and had to do with the whole fanboy bashing thingy, that we all love so much.
 
How dare you disprove this overclock! You are an Intel fanboy. Don't you understand that AMD is having a bad time! If you want to support superior products you must buy inferior ones.

FANBOY!!!


 


Funnier than an AMD fanboy just an ex-AMD fanboy, heh? ;D Oh, irony kills.
 
I just find it amazing how there were no pitchforks when Intel couldn't even beat AMD at 1GHz faster. They released SKU after SKU that even required special mobos, but no one wondered why the desktop market stayed with Intel.
I guess they paid them off to keep the business. Ask Dell. I just hate that Intel can do whatever they want no matter how low and everyone says AMD can't keep up. You wouldn't win a race if someone tied your leg to the starting line.
I personally don't care if no one buys another PC at all. It's too much trouble. People are living vicariously through a company that has been convicted of anti-trust and it's a shame.
I think I'll disappear from here again for awhile.
 
^ It's not as if those things shouldn't matter, but if you can't buy from Intel because of that [even when they have a nice product] I guess you shouldn't be buying from dozens [read: most I can remember] of other companies [from which you and I buy everyday].

There's no point in caring so much for AMD or so little for Intel. "It's all business".
 


Get use to it, people and organizations with the money and power have always been able to do what they want. It's like I use to get mad at Senator Kennedy, for crashing into a lake, drowning his date, then going for a frappe chino, then calling the cops a half hour later. He's got the dough and power, so he will do what he wants.
 


Well Baron, thats really quite simple. When AMD was beating Intel everyone who had even the basest of knowledge about CPUs knew it and accepted it. No one really disputed that, nor did they lie, make exuces or enable for Intel.

Now that the roles have reversed, and AMD turned out to be just another lying, money grubbing corporation, no better than Intel, all those rabid AMD fanboys who believed that AMD was some kind of gold plated, innocent, non-corporate corporation refuse to except the truth. The lie, they falsify, they minimize. They pull stunts like the above, photoshoping stats to make their "precious" appear better than it really is, they change their tunes from AMD is the fatest, the best, to "its good enough", they try to convince people that every new AMD product is the "intel killer".

Its really quite amusing. As I recall youve made a few Star Wars refernces over the years, so now, I will make one for you. AMD succeeded with their fanboys where Darth Vader failed with Luke Skywalker. Wher Darth failed to win Luke to the Dark Side, AMD successfully converted their 'truth seeking' champions of honesty into liars and cheats. Those who would sow fallacies for their own power.

Take yourself for example. You are once again bashing Intel for anti-trust, yet you have once to admit AMD lied about Phenom, lied about 4x4, and knowingly tried to mislead people with the 'glued' quad vs 'native' quad. You yourself defend and protect the guilty.
 


Well he ended up reinstalling Vista and not doing SP1 for now. Its not the memory because he has had it up for about a week and a half no problems with the full 8GB and he is able to play TF2 so he is happy.



There are no pitchforks. Just trying to show whats true and whats false. This was false BS from the start. When I saw it I took into consideration that current Phenoms needed LN2 to reach 4GHz. Now I am sure that Deneb will be a bit cooler and may be able to reach closer to 4GHz without LN2 but you still have to remember tat it may not be possible.

If you are mad just because people don't just believe stuff like this off the bat then thats your problem. After the last round with AMD its hard to believe much when they paraded 3GHz Phenoms and so forth yet at first try they couldn't even OC to 3GHz yet alone obtain it stock. And it took the a new SB (well 2 new SBs really 700 and 750) to allow for Phenom to easily OC to 3GHz.

So now instead of people beliving this and thinking that they will soon be able to get 4GHz stock Phenoms we can wait for AMD to release the true info about Deneb instead of some fanboys wet dream.

But seriously BM, get a grip. You act like you only buy from the righteuos companies but guess what. They don't exist. Every company wants only one thing. And thats your money.
 


What planet are you from? AMD was winning the race and building loyatly. Then AMD shot its own foot by being stubbornly "native" and having a bad manufacturing process.

Now Intel is raking in cash hand over foot and AMD is looking for middle east investors just to stay afloat for another quarter.

Intel isn't innocent, but AMD did this to itself.


 
Waste of time to post to your deaf ears. You spread inaccurate info, you conclude using false logic. You condemn mistakes made, and equate that with deliberate antitrust tactics.

I call you employboys. I don't care what you say - it's all an endless river of pollution, and you live in it.

I will not, can not, support a company that violates my interests and well-being for it's own. Antitrust is something that you accept and ignore as just typical and common practice. You create your own world.

I am a self-confessed AMD fanboy for ethical and personal reasons.

AMD is making progress. I will not bother to tell you how. You will see truth, and fact, and can believe what you like. Or you can do your own research, but I doubt you will since you have sold out and are happy there, for now. And for all your proclaimed superiority, you will switch - what you say is written in sand in a windstorm.

As an average user, I can get more than what I need for great price from AMD, and do so with clear conscience. I simply don't need any more. The ego listens to the spin of spintel, and competes with itself.

I will not support spintel. And I see through you employboys. Please continue, so I know who you are. Watch Nehalem open the drain for Larrabee - sounds like netburst to me - and it's a lack of innovation, a copy, a knockoff, of AMD.

Show the world unbiased benches performed by unbiased reviewers, and you will see the start of spintel decline - the rest is already setup.

I apologize for wasting my time in reading this thread and typing these remarks. Very few posts worth reading; but a very few voices of reason. Make your world what you truly want.

an7i7rus7

 
You can like AMD for whatever reason you want. However, you realize that making up names for people who buy Intel (and for Intel itself, for that matter) is not helping your cause at all, and neither are any claims that AMD is even close to leading in performance on desktop CPUs right now. Is AMD fast enough for 99% of computer users? Heck yes. They are not the fastest however, and you can cry about biased benchmarks all you want but it will not change the facts.

Don't get me wrong - I'm hoping that AMD does well, and if they have a competitive product out at the time of my next computer purchase, I will definitely consider them. It's just that right now, in almost every way, Intel is beating AMD in performance.

Oh, and if you think AMD is a perfect, wonderful, moral company, you are sadly mistaken. They are a company just as much as Intel is, and are subject to the same failings.
 
Thats crossing the line without crossing the line? Like Ive said, Im in the middle, like both used both, apreciate both. Lack of innovation lately from AMD is my proplem with AMD. Intel is going to use what AMD has for years, that tells me AMD was ahead at one time, and could be again. They bumped ahead when they had the lead, like nVidia did. They should have plowed ahead, just like nVidia. Nows a great time for AMD to pull closer, as Intel goes backwards with a completely new arch, similar to AMDs. If ever there was a door open for AMD its now, or very near future
 
BM is like a more laxed version of thunderman. He believes that AMD is a moral righteuos company that only thinks of whats best for the consumer when this is not true. They think about whats best for their bottom line.

AMD has had their share of dirty doings but since they are the smaller company it doesn't get published as much. Just like with M$. M$ gets critisized for not having a open OS yet Apple does the same thing, only its 10x worse than M4, and no one ever says a damn thing.

Stop trying to be a martyr. We are all in the same boat but you try to pretend you are different because you wont buy from a company that you believe does "immoral" things. In that case you should only buy from smaller companies. But the problem is that most markets are owned by the big companies and all of them care about one thing and one thingonly. Your money and how they will get it.

Now why did AMD release the HD4K series at such a great price point? Was it because they were thinking of the consumers? In a way yes. They obviously have a great product that could be priced higher. But they decided to put it at a lower price point. Why? Because they know that will get more sales than if they priced it like nVidia. Whats 10s of thousands of sales for ATIs HD4K series compared to only a few thousand for nVidias GTX200 series? Its a lot more money for AMD thats what.

In all seriousness though, just stop. You seem to be mad just because people didn't take this 4GHz stock Deneb as fact. You yourself first posted about it but not one word in the first post was saying it could be false. Then you tried to cover it. Just face it. You thought it was true but its not.

Yes Deneb will do better and probably be able to compete with orkfield quads and prbably be able to finally clock higher than 2.6GHz without having a insane TDP. But that is by no means a reason to think AMD will beat Intel. If AMDs Deneb were to beat Yorkfield by say 10-20% clock per clock then we could say that. But thats more than likely not going to happen.

Maybe AMDs next CPU will be better, maybe not. They are not a perfect company and will not always win.
 
The way I see it is, if people actually thought of this as a sure thing, 4.4ghz, and when it doesnt happen causes more harm, much more harm than good, especially at this point. Speculation, not promulgation. Speculation is fun, and maybe Ill learn somethings as I speculate too, about both cpus. Learning is fun, speculating is fun, but hoping for something we all should look at with question, is, questionable, and harmful
 
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