AMD Phenom II X6 1035T vs Fx 6100

[DragonBorn1511]

Hello,

I'm looking at buying either of these for my GA-78LMT-USB3 motherboard,

A few questions, stock for stock which will be better for Gaming and video editing?

Also is my Motherboard any good for overclocking?

I'm leaning towards the X6 as I've heard their single threaded performance is better.

They're both exactly the same price, down to the penny.

Cheers,

DragonBorn1511

 

[clutchc]

The Old FX-6100 has a tiny edge over the older Phenom II X6 1035T. And the FX-6100 is a bit newer tech (not necessarily better, tho)

Here are the CPU support options you have for that board (Rev4.1). Be sure you verify which Rev is your board. The FX-83xx CPUs would be better for video editing.

 

[DragonBorn1511]

The Old FX-6100 has a tiny edge over the older Phenom II X6 1035T. And the FX-6100 is a bit newer tech (not necessarily better, tho)

Here are the CPU support options you have for that board (Rev4.1). Be sure you verify which Rev is your board. The FX-83xx CPUs would be better for video editing.

Looking for an absolute budget option really. Would the board be capable of overclocking either CPU? (is it a capable chipset of doing that, and does it have enough power phases to handle an OC?)

The 6100 looks better on paper due to the higher clock speed, but once they're both overclocked to their limit, would the X6 overtake? Due to it's superior architecture?

 

[damric]

That motherboard will either throttle or burn if you try any significant overclocking due to the poor vrm design. Save your money for a modern platform.

 

[clutchc]

I didn't mean to imply that the FX-6100 had better architecture than the 1035T, or vise versa. Just that the Bulldozer was not an improvement over the older K10. They are basically 2 peas in a pod when it comes to performance... with the newer 6100 coming up short most of the time, as you can see in the graphs the link provides. Although for video editing, the one graph shows them more even.

I would not OC either CPU too heavily with that board. It does have the required heatsinks on the VRMs for CPU and memory. But the older chipset was not designed for serious OC'ing. And board components are not the best. I doubt you'll get very much.

 

[clutchc]

Edit: I posted the wrong link above. Corrected.

 

[DragonBorn1511]

That motherboard will either throttle or burn if you try any significant overclocking due to the poor vrm design. Save your money for a modern platform.

Edit: I posted the wrong link above. Corrected.

I already own the Am3+ board, sitting here collecting dust, complete wit ha CPU Cooler.

Hmmmm the lack of a good OC is gearing me towards the 6100 now.

I also have an i3 2100 (completely bone stock , no OC) would I be better off just sticking to that? I know in games it'll outperform the 6100 and X6 with relative ease.

whichever I use, the other set (CPu + Mobo) will be getting sold, and they're both worth similar money, so that's not an issue to me

 

[clutchc]

The newer dual core (with Hyper-threading) generally beats either 6-core for single core tasks, but the 6-core wins in multi core tasks. Gaming favors the i3, but video encoding/rendering favors the extra cores of the 6100.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

Go with the i3 for now. But keep in mind you will want to save your money for a now modern setup. In the meantime the 2100 should get you started for the moment.

 

[elbert]

I suggest saving a bit more and get a r3 1200. Overclocked on the stock cooler its nearly twice as fast as either. Its on par with the i5-7400 once overclocked. Its also got a huge upgrade path for the next 4 years.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($109.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock - AB350M Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2800 Memory ($64.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $234.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-08-28 00:44 EDT-0400

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

That's not a bad price above. I am just saying until the op can save, since he already had the i3 to use that until he can do better.

 

[teknobug]

My X6 1090T performed better than the FX 6300 did, the FX has 3 core/3 modules while the 1090T has 6 actual cores but the singlethread was marginally better with the FX. One problem with the Phenom II X6's as already mentioned, is that they don't play nice with 4+1 phase motherboards.

The i3 will be ideal, but the Pentium G4600 is cheaper and does has pretty much same performance as the more expensive i3, and the Ryzen 3 is priced pretty good right now. Lots of choices.

 

[madmatt30]

The fx6300 is what you should be looking at, has about a 15% IPC improvement over the bulldozer 6100 & are more efficient than the old phenoms.

 

[DragonBorn1511]

Thanks everyone for your replies.

This is a secondary system, so not really looking to upgrade, I'd like something I can just build and it'll just play what I need it to (which both will do in fairness quite easily with my reference GTX 760).

As it's a secondary system, I don't want to spend the extra £20 on a 6300 over a 6100, or an extra £40 for the 8xxx series. I'm gonna buy the FX 6100 anyway, as per my post above I have a mobo + 8GB of RAm laying here looking pretty, therefore it's just easier for me to sell it on with a processor inside a system. Which is why I mentioned the i3 2100 I also have laying about. I'll buy the 6100 anyway, and probably have a play about with both setups and just see which one I prefer. Neither have SATA 3 (my LGA1155 board doesn't) and my 1155 board does n[t have USB3.0 but I use an expansion card for that anyway, so overall it is a tough choice.

In reality the perception around where I live is that i3's suck at gaming, and 6 cores (regardless of being a horrible AMD architecture) looks glamorous, so the 6100 will probably fetch me a bit more when I sell up (as weird as that is....). Seems like i3's are quite underrated IMHO.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

If they are just spares, have fun. Put an SSD in it for a boot drive, either will seem to fly. The difference you've got on that 6100 is you should be able to overclock it.

 

[DragonBorn1511]

If they are just spares, have fun. Put an SSD in it for a boot drive, either will seem to fly. The difference you've got on that 6100 is you should be able to overclock it.

Yeah you're absolutely right, they're just spare parts I have laying around.

Tbh (and this is Lind of embrassing for someone whoa been building PCS for 5+ years now) I've never actually overclocked a PC....maybe starting out on a cheap ass 6100+board may be a good idea.

The cooler I have is a Hyper Tx3 evo 92mm thing. Any decent to get something extra out of a 6100?

 

[elbert]

You should also look for the 960t as ive had 100% luck in unlocking 2 extra cores on the 2 I have. I've seen it on ebay for $38. My main one is overclocked to 3.72Ghz as you can see in my sig. 960T

 

[DragonBorn1511]

You should also look for the 960t as ive had 100% luck in unlocking 2 extra cores on the 2 I have. I've seen it on ebay for $38. My main one is overclocked to 3.72Ghz as you can see in my sig. 960T

hmmm cheaper than both the 6100 and 1035T by a small margin here. Can my board unlock the cores? Also how is the TDP affected by that?

Also....how do you do it?

I forgot to mention, on situation in the UK

 

[elbert]

Yup page 31 of your manual has CPU unlock under advanced bios. GA-78LTM-USB3 Know tho its not a 100% chance as I got lucky. From old reports I think it was in the high 80%. The TDP depends on what voltage you use. I hand set mine to 1.375 and its below stock TDP.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

Don't recommend overclocking on those boards. You can just be careful. Those power phases aren't the best.

 

[DragonBorn1511]

Yup page 31 of your manual has CPU unlock under advanced bios. GA-78LTM-USB3 Know tho its not a 100% chance as I got lucky. From old reports I think it was in the high 80%. The TDP depends on what voltage you use. I hand set mine to 1.375 and its below stock TDP.

So if I get one and it unlocks successfully, on stock voltage with no OC how should the tdp be affected?

Also if it's unlocked to a 6 core, will the original clock speed remain the same?

 

[elbert]

Yes 3Ghz is what both mine unlocked to but understand you buying a black edition. So all you need to do is change the multiplier to overclock. TDP depends as some were disabled due to weak cores. Some tho was just to fill the demand which those should be perfectly equal to thuban. Now I can set mine to 3.3Ghz at 1.26v and be near 65w TDP if need be.
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-78LMT-USB3-rev-41#support-cpu
Your motherboard supports the 125W FX-8370 so it will support any thuban upto 4Ghz with turbo off. Know tho Thuban is an odd CPU with best performance around 3.7~3.8Ghz with CPU-NB 12 for higher memory thoughput. My NB voltage is at 1.225 and that creates more heat than going over 4Ghz.