AMD Piledriver rumours ... and expert conjecture

[Reynod]

We have had several requests for a sticky on AMD's yet to be released Piledriver architecture ... so here it is.

I want to make a few things clear though.

Post a question relevant to the topic, or information about the topic, or it will be deleted.

Post any negative personal comments about another user ... and they will be deleted.

Post flame baiting comments about the blue, red and green team and they will be deleted.

Enjoy ...

 

[triny]

There is a 7790? I didn't think there was. If not, there should be one there anyway. Gap is too big between the 7770 and 7850.

7790 is created when you add 7770 to an a10 5800

 

[triny]

whatever..
and no real gamer thinks they can game on a HD 7770 or HD 7790 anyways.
those are higher end 'HTPC' cards.
:lol:

a10 + gpus
4k graphics
1080p all day 24/7 high to ultra gaming
few will need more they can buy the heat and bulk

 

[triny]

In all fairness, at least in the "coding game", AMD can do something about. If it's piggybacking behind closed doors, not so much.

If AMD fails to get Devs on board their train (at least some studios), it will be it's own fault. Not even a lack of resources IMO, but that is still an advantage Intel has, non the less.

Cheers!

Bulk of Devs may take time to switch but the advantages of HSA will drive them to switch as it is very cost effective to use HSA it streamlines their business, less overhead,faster coding, better all around for them.

I see a 3-5 year window where AMD will lead,after that Intel+nvidia may come up with an IGP equivalent.
If Intel doesn't come up with a solution they will be faced with losing mkt share and selling what they do sell cheaper.
AMD is taking away their bacon,
AMD, ARM64 and blades want server share bacon too.

 

[triny]

FM2 gets lightning bolt
http://en.ocworkbench.com/tech/amd-fm2-boards-may-have-thunderbolt-support-in-future/
enables 4 screen eyefinity ! on desk top models
laptop 3 screens

 

[-Fran-]

This chart shows the most realistic configs for Trinity and discrete video cards:

http://www.tomshardware.com/gallery/05_recommended-Dual-Graphics,0101-337400-0-2-3-1-jpg-.html

Cheers!

EDIT: Added the image itself.

 

[bawchicawawa]

7790 is created when you add 7770 to an a10 5800

Where did you get the information that a10 5800 will xfire with 7770? From what i've seen, it xfires with 7670.

 

[jimmysmitty]

Okay since everyone is getting hold of new Graphics Cards, I am getting hold of a Ghz edition 7970 for some testing from a AMD contact, the word of mouth is GTX680 equivilant at the current 7970 pricing, that would be a great deal provided the numbers stack up, which I expect they will with a nigh on 200mhz core bump at stock.

The sad news is, I can't afford anything new right now, so I will be rocking the 6970's, which is rather tragic.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/04/10/sapphire_hd_7970_oc_edition_video_card_review

Thats the one I got. I have not OCed it beyond the "GHz" OC that it comes stock with yet but might try my luck as most hit 1150MHz core and 1800MHz memory on the stock 1.112v.

So far it kills my HD5870. Maxes out Skyrim (even AA and AF while the HD5870 couldn't do that without stuttering). 50% better score in 3DMark 06/Vantage but double in 3DMark 11.

The true test will be MP3 though. But according to HardOCP, at its stock clocks and when its at super high resolutions, its about even with the GTX680. Overclock it and that changes. A lot.

I like the positivity, we can get shirts made out for this, endorse the spirit.

The GTX 670 is impressive for the price point it replaces the Sapphire Toxic OC edition HD 7950 as the best value for money card, that said I do prefer non-reference design and the GTX 670 I tested was a reference cooling design.

I got my HD7970 OC for $449, about $20 bucks more than the GTX670 reference card. Of course Newegg just upped the price to $479 because it was cheaper than the non OCed HD7970 from Sapphire or anyone else which was why I jumped on it.

OT
To mal, seen this yet?
http://www.tomshardware.de/Radeon-HD_7970M-Wimbledon,testberichte-241026.html

Now why can't it be that way on the DT......

a10 + gpus
4k graphics
1080p all day 24/7 high to ultra gaming
few will need more they can buy the heat and bulk

Let me know how well that plays MP3 at high-ultra. I will however be enjoying it maxed out.

Where did you get the information that a10 5800 will xfire with 7770? From what i've seen, it xfires with 7670.

It doesn't. Max for Trinity is a HD7670.

 

[-Fran-]

MP3, Jimmy? What's that?

Cheers!

EDIT: Max Payne 3? xD

 

[jimmysmitty]

^Yep. Max Payne 3.

Bullet Time.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

Now why can't it be that way on the DT......

Becausen DT, its a different scenario with DP included.

 

[-Fran-]

Now why can't it be that way on the DT......

Becausen DT, its a different scenario with DP included.

Well, on one side, GCN can't do Crossfire with VLIW4, right? And if they do, it would be done on a software layer... I'm sure AMD would have to surprise us from the shadows on that one, since, like you say, it's not impossible at all.

Cheers!

 

[jimmysmitty]

Well, on one side, GCN can't do Crossfire with VLIW4, right? And if they do, it would be done on a software layer... I'm sure AMD would have to surprise us from the shadows on that one, since, like you say, it's not impossible at all.

Cheers!

I meant the performance of the HD7970M whomping on the GTX675. If the HD7970 whomped the GTX680 it would be awesome.

Well it does at higher resolutions, like really high, but not everyone plays at super resolutions.

And you are correct. It cant CFX with older hardware. Thats why a HD6870 couldn't CFX with a HD5870.

But back in the day when CrossFire (I don't think it was CFX then) came out and uses the external dongle instead of a on mobo chip and could CFX a high end CrossFire master card with a lower end non CF card.

 

[JAYDEEJOHN]

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1569541&postcount=594

 

[triny]

Where did you get the information that a10 5800 will xfire with 7770? From what i've seen, it xfires with 7670.

DT HD7750 -7770

hd7670 is oem only (consoles)
http://www.amd.com/US/PRODUCTS/DESKTOP/GRAPHICS/7000/Pages/amd-radeon-7000-series.aspx

 

[triny]

and that's why I ask to name his sources......
like I stated earlier he needs a 'disclaimer' signature banner every-time (they?) speak.

Logic
Lano hd6550D + hd6670 = 6690 as per amd
thus
trinity HD7660G + HD 7770 = HD7790 as per amd
oh
kaveri hd7860X + Hd 7870 = HD 7890 GCN 8000 series may change this
and
ExcavatorHD7960Z +hd7970 =HD 7990 GCN 8000 series may change this
oOo

 

[triny]

Well, on one side, GCN can't do Crossfire with VLIW4, right? And if they do, it would be done on a software layer... I'm sure AMD would have to surprise us from the shadows on that one, since, like you say, it's not impossible at all.

Cheers!

7660g is a hybrid of sorts 6900 series architect and gcn connect

 

[triny]

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/04/10/sapphire_hd_7970_oc_edition_video_card_review



Let me know how well that plays MP3 at high-ultra. I will however be enjoying it maxed out.



It doesn't. Max for Trinity is a HD7670.

HD7670 is not even sold by AMD ,it's a reserved slot for console makers and other oem only
on DT models
each generation the igp is bumped up on the APU
7660G triple x-fires with 2x hd7770
2133mhz memory OC
My investment portfolio on AMD mentions this,as well AMD's site also mentioned it.
if it can handle eyefinity 4 screens ,run videos ,encode and play a game leaving 15 SB sputtering like a cheap trick. I think the on chip music decoder/ encoder can hande music too.In fact it's capable of running 4 independent 7.1 music and video streams at the same time.
fch4 on chip
Terra 3 tessellation
It's a piece de resistance and it only gets better

 

[-Fran-]

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1569541&postcount=594

It says "different generations"... Should I understand that as "different arch generations"? I'd rather stay on the safe side of the interpretation JDJ.

7660g is a hybrid of sorts 6900 series architect and gcn connect

The only GCN "feature" that Trinity has, is VCE AFAIK; the GPU side of things is VLIW4 at its heart.

Cheers!

EDIT: Triny, you're pushing the naming convention from AMD in its mobile and desktop lines... Please be accurate on the cards you mention.

 

[triny]

What I would like to know is how much head room is left for OCing.
If it can do 400-550 more mhz
woe

 

[truegenius]

But back in the day when CrossFire (I don't think it was CFX then) came out and uses the external dongle instead of a on mobo chip and could CFX a high end CrossFire master card with a lower end non CF card.

you mean that i can crossfire my hd6770 with hd6800 or hd7700!!

how to do that?

 

[triny]

It says "different generations"... Should I understand that as "different arch generations"? I'd rather stay on the safe side of the interpretation JDJ.



The only GCN "feature" that Trinity has, is VCE AFAIK; the GPU side of things is VLIW4 at its heart.

Cheers!

EDIT: Triny, you're pushing the naming convention from AMD in its mobile and desktop lines... Please be accurate on the cards you mention.

I quoting from material
"a10 5800 will hook up to gcn 7750 or 7770 bringing 4k graphics and super compute to the PC"

 

[triny]

you mean that i can crossfire my hd6770 with hd6800 or hd7700!!

how to do that?

you'd need an igp
lano hd6550D xfired to 5000series and 6000 series

 

[-Fran-]

I quoting from material
"a10 5800 will hook up to gcn 7750 or 7770 bringing 4k graphics and super compute to the PC"

Got a link?

Cheers!

 

[triny]

It says "different generations"... Should I understand that as "different arch generations"? I'd rather stay on the safe side of the interpretation JDJ.



The only GCN "feature" that Trinity has, is VCE AFAIK; the GPU side of things is VLIW4 at its heart.

Cheers!

EDIT: Triny, you're pushing the naming convention from AMD in its mobile and desktop lines... Please be accurate on the cards you mention.

The annotated image above points out Trinity's main components. The CPU portion of the chip includes four integer cores and two FPUs based on the "Bulldozer" microarchitecture. In fact, Trinity is the first chip to incorporate AMD's "Piledriver" architectural updates. More on those shortly. Also updated from Llano is Trinity's IGP, which is derived from the "Northern Islands" generation of Radeons. The memory controller remains a dual-channel affair, capable of supporting DIMMs up to 1866 MT/s, though 1600 MT/s is the top speed for mobile parts. Trinity's media processing block still decodes a host of video formats but has learned a new trick: hardware-accelerated H.264 encoding. And for communication with the outside world, the chip has 24 lanes of PCI Express Gen2 connectivity. Gone is the HyperTransport link used in AMD processors for ages; this chip talks to its Fusion Controller Hub I/O support chip via dedicated PCIe lanes, instead.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/22932

gen2 connect

it has a host of other gcn features as well
1)terra 3 tessellation
2)scaler
3)The FCL augments the IGP's primary path to system memory, which is two pairs of 256-bit links (one in each direction) between the graphics memory controller and the north bridge.

4)Trinity is ready to support merged applications with discrete GPUs, too. Its IOMMU will allow the shaders in PCIe graphics cards to operate directly on main memory, and it's capable of supporting GPU virtualization.
5)6900 desktop-series, the 7660G has also received the new video processing engine and multi-display connectivity found in the Southern Islands GPU line-up.http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2880284/posts
6) power consumption lowered
it is crammed with accelerated apps and optimized for win 8 .

 

[bawchicawawa]

I quoting from material
"a10 5800 will hook up to gcn 7750 or 7770 bringing 4k graphics and super compute to the PC"

Either show a link that says 7750 or a 7770 can xfire with trinity or stop talking...