News AMD-powered OLED handheld aims to rival the Steam Deck OLED — Ryzen 9 AI HX 370 runs Black Myth: Wukong at 50-60 FPS with 1080p low settings

[Admin]

OneXPlayer published a teaser of its next generation OLED handheld gaming PC featuring a Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 CPU running Black Myth: Wukong at nearly 60FPS.

AMD-powered OLED handheld aims to rival the Steam Deck OLED — Ryzen 9 AI HX 370 runs Black Myth: Wukong at 50-60 FPS with 1080p low settings : Read more

 

[gg83]

The same chip with bigger cooling, storage and ram should be a powerhouse right?

 

[phxrider]

The same chip with bigger cooling, storage and ram should be a powerhouse right?

Maybe with the "for a mobile APU" qualifier... a 7800X3D with a 7900XTX is a powerhouse, you need to look at it in context.

 

[watzupken]

“The main selling point is the Ryzen AI 9 HX 370 CPU, which features four Zen 5 cores, eight Zen 5c cores, and AMD's latest Radeon 890M iGPU with 16 CUs based on the RDAN 3.5 architecture.”

I spotted a typo. Anyway, the main problem with this PC console, they cost too much. If ROG Ally X cost USD 799, I can imagine it will cost no less than 900 or 1000 bucks for this. The new Ryzen AI chips powered devices so far looks very pricey as compared to the older 7840H/ U powered devices and rivals some reasonably good laptops with dedicated GPUs.

 

[JTWrenn]

Steam wins in general here because of optimization. They do that by having a great game store first, and then making a system based on all that data, and working with their devs on optimization. That is the primary reason for their success.

As long as competitors focus on the hardware, and not the companies making games for that hardware and a relationship with them so that games are made with some optimizations, these will all fail.

 

[thestryker]

Unfortunately this isn't even a remotely accurate depiction of what the performance looks like. It has upscaling and frame generation on which means the experience would likely be very poor. As with all handheld devices it's imperative to wait until someone actually runs real tests with the device in hand to make any sort of determination.

 

[usertests]

Steam Deck 1.0 will be a tough act for Valve to follow, but I hope their slow release cadence approach is proven out and it manages to be impressive.

 

[Lucky_SLS]

AMD should release an 8 core zen 5c and 20CU GPU SKU for handheld. They should have scaled this for consoles as well. Why do you need a 12 core CPU in a handheld gaming device? They did zen 4c only range in their siena epyc range.

Power usage is the main limit here in handheld. Zen 5c cores will do wonders here, considering zen 5's power efficiency.

 

[usertests]

AMD should release an 8 core zen 5c and 20CU GPU SKU for handheld. They should have scaled this for consoles as well. Why do you need a 12 core CPU in a handheld gaming device? They did zen 4c only range in their siena epyc range.

Power usage is the main limit here in handheld. Zen 5c cores will do wonders here, considering zen 5's power efficiency.

I think Kraken isn't a terrible idea. One CCX, 4+4 cores, somewhat like Lunar Lake. But with 8 CUs and the usual memory controller it's not going to be a game changer.

I wouldn't discount Strix Halo for a handheld. It could be physically too large. But if you have 8 cores, you can limit the clock speeds to make them like "C" cores (there are slight voltage/efficiency curve differences). Then you have 32 CUs and 256-bit memory. The battery life may not be great, but neither are some of these handhelds using Phoenix or Strix Point at over 30 Watts.

If we see "C-core-only", it looks like it's going to be a custom chip. Not counting Sonoma Valley.

 

[TheHerald]

Why just 12 cores? Let's push for 20 cores on a handheld.....meanwhile the majority of AMD's desktop cpus sold are 8 cores. This is madness.

8c cores (or even 6) would be a better balance for battery life. Gaming at 30 fps (which is your target with these handhelds) don't need 12 cores, it's just a waste.

 

[Lucky_SLS]

I wouldn't discount Strix Halo for a handheld. It could be physically too large. But if you have 8 cores, you can limit the clock speeds to make them like "C" cores (there are slight voltage/efficiency curve differences). Then you have 32 CUs and 256-bit memory. The battery life may not be great, but neither are some of these handhelds using Phoenix or Strix Point at over 30 Watts.

If we see "C-core-only", it looks like it's going to be a custom chip. Not counting Sonoma Valley.

The zen 4c cores are not just a downclocked zen core. It does not have the physical features for stacked cache, meaning 3D V cache will never come to zen c cores without a complete redesign. It also features half the L3 cache with other limitations like pcie 4.0 instead of 5.0

But if the target fps is 60 in a handheld, the zen 5c cores can easily do that without GPU bottlenecks even in the latest AAA titles.

And this will have to be a custom chip like you said. I just hope the zen 5 based z3 chip is well optimised for the use case instead of porting a laptop SKU for handheld.

 

[usertests]

The zen 4c cores are not just a downclocked zen core. It does not have the physical features for stacked cache, meaning 3D V cache will never come to zen c cores without a complete redesign. It also features half the L3 cache with other limitations like pcie 4.0 instead of 5.0

AMD can potentially "dual source" C cores from dies that have regular cores. A Phoenix2 product like the Ryzen 7540U could be made using the regular Phoenix die by disabling two cores, limiting the clock speeds of four cores, and disabling half the L3.

L3 cache is probably only loosely related to the C core. Is there anything stopping AMD from designing a custom die that has C cores (which are denser even without taking into account L3) but the usual amount of cache?

 

[Lucky_SLS]

AMD can potentially "dual source" C cores from dies that have regular cores. A Phoenix2 product like the Ryzen 7540U could be made using the regular Phoenix die by disabling two cores, limiting the clock speeds of four cores, and disabling half the L3.

L3 cache is probably only loosely related to the C core. Is there anything stopping AMD from designing a custom die that has C cores (which are denser even without taking into account L3) but the usual amount of cache?

This line of thought closely resembles binning a subpar wafer as zen c cores and releasing it.

My thinking was to reduced the cost of manufacturing by going complete zen c cores like they did for bergamo and siena epyc chips. I don't know if the z2 chips are actually down binned laptop chips.

 

[thestryker]

AMD can potentially "dual source" C cores from dies that have regular cores. A Phoenix2 product like the Ryzen 7540U could be made using the regular Phoenix die by disabling two cores, limiting the clock speeds of four cores, and disabling half the L3.

L3 cache is probably only loosely related to the C core. Is there anything stopping AMD from designing a custom die that has C cores (which are denser even without taking into account L3) but the usual amount of cache?

It would be completely pointless to try to turn regular cores into C cores because the only reason to use C cores is the increased density and efficiency within the window that opens up due to this. Mobile chips already have half the cache of the desktop ones so you'd basically be making a worse regular core with none of the benefits.

For a handheld device 6 or 8 C cores pared with whatever size GPU makes sense would probably be the best way to go about it. The Steam Deck has thoroughly proven higher powered CPU cores just take away from the GPU with no benefit at lower power levels. I don't think the Strix Halo, even in its smallest form, is likely to make sense from a performance/efficiency perspective.

I think the biggest problem facing handhelds is how to increase the graphics performance without blowing too much of the power budget. It seems like 15W is the best power target for a handheld, but adding memory channels (at least without on package memory) might push up power consumption too much. Potentially additional cache for the GPU might make sense, but I'm not sure how much without an increase in memory bandwidth due to how far behind discrete cards dual channel is.

Of course at the end of the day the real problem is one of volume and is anyone really going to make a fully custom chip just for this market (especially one with leading edge technology). The most recent Z2 Extreme rumors cite 3x Zen 5 and 5x Zen 5c with 16 CUs which could potentially just be a binned 370. It probably makes a lot more sense than the 4+8 configuration from the 370 for low powered operation.

 

[AxS]

Why do these handheld PC manufacturers keep giving us stuff without trackpads?

Without those, you are more or less locked to playing games with full controller support. You're not gonna set up a solid WoW or Guild Wars 2 config like you can on the Deck. You're not gonna be able to enjoy tac shooters with lots of commands like Ready or Not.

I'd love for one of these "Deck killers" to stop focusing on raw power. I already have a desktop for that. Whereas my Deck feels like a natural and portable extension of my PC gaming library, my ROG Ally X just feels like an exercise in navigating windows with nothing but a controller. I still pick up the Deck over the Ally 9 times out of 10 when I'm leaving the house and want to be able to quickly and reliably start and stop a session of SCP: 5k or something