AMD Prepping 'Mutated' Hardware for October 9

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[citation][nom]DroKing[/nom]6250? No way! Thats even worse than my weak 6450 *smacks head*[/citation]
the cpu is designed for barebone pc's which are only like the size of a router.
 
[citation][nom]otacon72[/nom]*Yawn* Hey AMD...come out with something that can challenge anything from Intel...that would be a miracle at this point.[/citation]

Exactly what I was thinking. That would be more scary than whatever crap thjey're coing out with now.
 
[citation][nom]rds1220[/nom]Exactly what I was thinking. That would be more scary than whatever crap thjey're coing out with now.[/citation]
[citation][nom]otacon72[/nom]*Yawn* Hey AMD...come out with something that can challenge anything from Intel...that would be a miracle at this point.[/citation]

I think you guys want to look for something called Piledriver...
 
Who would want a WinRT notebook? It's a new platform, so it's not going to be very useful until some software is developed for it. This is tolerable for tablets because they aren't expected to do serious work, but people are going to be expecting that anything that looks like a real computer can be used like one.

WinRT may have Microsoft money behind it, but it will have the same chicken and egg problem as Linux. Nobody will want it for the desktop because it has no software, and nobody will develop any because nobody uses it for anything other than mobile devices.
 
[citation][nom]DroKing[/nom]6250? No way! Thats even worse than my weak 6450 *smacks head*[/citation]

If you even plan on gaming on the 6250, you have problems.

There's a difference between budget builds and gaming builds.
 
[citation][nom]A Bad Day[/nom]If you even plan on gaming on the 6250, you have problems.There's a difference between budget builds and gaming builds.[/citation]

Wouldn't be to bad if openGL support was good and had Win9x drivers then it could do some retro :)
 
[citation][nom]Thunderfox[/nom]Who would want a WinRT notebook? It's a new platform, so it's not going to be very useful until some software is developed for it. This is tolerable for tablets because they aren't expected to do serious work, but people are going to be expecting that anything that looks like a real computer can be used like one.[/citation]This article is about Hondo. Hondo is meant for tablets and/or hybrids. It's like a Z-01 but even lower power, and since they're naming it Z-60, it *might* even have turbo like the C-60. So even if it WAS running WinRT, it wouldn't be a big deal. But it doesn't run WinRT, although it does compete with WinRT devices.

WinRT is strictly for ARM at this juncture. We've established that Hondo is an AMD x86 chip, and thus will be running Windows 8 (x86). So it can run both the new RunTime apps, and legacy Windows software. Just about anything you can throw at a notebook with a C-50 will run fine here too.[citation][nom]DroKing[/nom]6250? No way! Thats even worse than my weak 6450 *smacks head*[/citation]This chip is plenty fast for a tablet/hybrid, which is what it is meant for. The 6250 in this is better than what you will find in Atoms with a similar power consumption. Even on the CPU side it is quite tolerable. Run Win8 on a C-50 laptop and you'll be pleasantly surprised, as long as you've got recent drivers. I can see some nice tablets coming with this chip, and hopefully at near-WinRT prices.
 
[citation][nom]nforce4max[/nom]Wouldn't be to bad if openGL support was good and had Win9x drivers then it could do some retro[/citation]It runs DOSbox if you really want oldschool games. Anyway a lot of retro games end up on Steam with some tweaks (hopefully the remastered Baldur's Gate will hit Steam or elsewhere soon) and they run fine on Vista/7/8 out of the box so they would run fine on this too.
 
To me (let the flaming begin), it seems that AMD is more interested in the mobile side of the market. This new APU for tablets, Trinity A-10 & A-8 in laptops would crush Intel's HD graphics. Seems they're taking the fight to the mobile users.
 
[citation][nom]echondo[/nom]I think you guys want to look for something called Piledriver...[/citation]

Yea what about it, it's still going to be far behind Intel. Piledriver still won't come close to competing with Intel. Even IF it has the performance increase AMD is claiming Piledriver still will only perform on the level of first generation I core processors, still far behind Intel. Like I said get back to me when AMD actually makes something that isn't slow crap that is two and a half generation behind.
 
[citation][nom]spookie[/nom]haha oh no! the acting sucks, geuss they spent it all on R&D but yea a beter gpu would have been nice. . . .[/citation]

You know they act goofy in the video on purpose for us geeks and nerds, right? Or did it just totally go over your head?
 
[citation][nom]dudewitbow[/nom]the cpu is designed for barebone pc's which are only like the size of a router.[/citation]

Wow, I didn't know they were designed for barebones pc, I would think if the competition is the Tegra 3, they are destined for mobile space, tablets and smart phones, and the occasional netbook. But let me know what PC, contains a Tegra 3.
 
I think the point to remember is that this thing is ridiculously low wattage compared to a desktop or laptop part. So its meant for a small form factor. In Small form factors the HD6250 is an impressive leap just like the 780G chipset was a couple years ago.
Will this compete against a Core i5 or Core i7 tablet with an HD4000 graphics chip? No way. But it will give anything under $500 a run for its money.
They really need to make a tablet based on the A10. Thats what I really want.
 
[citation][nom]hydac7[/nom]The scariest thing of all is that AMD doesn't have a good competitor to the i 7 -- that's the real scary part, and the part where the bulldozer sucked more than a vacuum cleaner on steroids[/citation]

Not much AMD can do. They have to tighten their belt and lead some of their engineers to the exit doors. Intel can keep hiring more engineers and throw more money at the problem until their rivals can't keep up.

If you had a modern tank, and I had a helicopter gunship, why should I attack you head-on at low altitude where you can put a hail of machine gun fire and an explosive shell through the windshield when I can fly over you and hammer you from far above?
 
ok this is logical no one is going to be gaming on this, but i guess some of you missed the part where it says it will be competetnig against the Atom. these are amde for ultrabooks not gaming pc's. i mean seriously some of you really think outside of logic.
 
Is Hondo an SoC? If not, then it is basically a really low powered low voltage CPU to compete against ULV Ivy Bridge such as i3/Pentium Ivy. It probably won't have the battery life of an ARM or ATOM system (although AMD will advertise systems with it as 12 hours of battery life like they always do). It actually might be an interesting product between Atom and Ivy if tablets with it are priced right. i3/i5 tablets will be $800 and up. Atom tablets will probably be much cheaper and ARM RT tablets even cheaper. AMD can fill the gap between the Atom and i3 with Hondo that could be a pretty compelling product. Advertise it as not some cheap ARM RT product that doesn't run anything you want while having a better graphics system than Atom tablets.
 
[citation][nom]A Bad Day[/nom]Not much AMD can do. They have to tighten their belt and lead some of their engineers to the exit doors. Intel can keep hiring more engineers and throw more money at the problem until their rivals can't keep up.If you had a modern tank, and I had a helicopter gunship, why should I attack you head-on at low altitude where you can put a hail of machine gun fire and an explosive shell through the windshield when I can fly over you and hammer you from far above?[/citation]

I hate the implication that AMD has bad engineers. They created x86-64 and crushed Intel for half a decade. The problem with AMD has always been that Intel has been operating on an order of magnitude more revenue at its worst, and 3 - 4 times that at its best. Intel spends more on R&D than AMD takes in in revenue. You can't directly compete with that when there are diminishing performance returns on transistor based innovation on a fixed die.

Also, the i7 cpus account for probably 2 - 3% of Intels revenue in a processor line. They are their highest profit margin chips, but 99% of people are buying prebuilt systems with chips like the i3s and i5s that have hardware disabled features that were borked on die yields. The bulk of revenue on any processor family will come from the 2 - 3 cheapest, not the 2 - 3 most expensive, chips. On that front, Trinity is quite competitve, especially for being 2 manufacturing techs behind. It is damage control, and it has to be damage control, because Intel is a goliath like McDonalds is next to In-And-Out Burger.
 
I hope its a sight better than the horrible C-50... nothing like $400 worth of disappointment... when you can get a Pentium for the same price...
 
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