News AMD Preps Ryzen 7000 CPU Starfield Game Bundle

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Newegg accidentally leaked AMD's upcoming Starfield game bundle for Ryzen 7000 processors powered by Zen 4.

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[-Fran-]

Considering the known game engine shortcomings of Fallout, it'll probably run best with a 3D CPU from AMD, LOL. That "the way it's meant to be played" jab may not be too far-fetched xD

AMD better come clean here. It is definitely not a good look on this DLSS debacle, even if I still consider it a stupid thing to complain about.

Regards.

 

[Elusive Ruse]

AMD making the right moves, I also agree with @zhiyeliu that they should offer fresh GPU and game bundles.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

Considering the known game engine shortcomings of Fallout, it'll probably run best with a 3D CPU from AMD, LOL. That "the way it's meant to be played" jab may not be too far-fetched xD

AMD better come clean here. It is definitely not a good look on this DLSS debacle, even if I still consider it a stupid thing to complain about.

Regards.

I honestly don’t see a problem here. AMD has sponsored the game and they were kind enough to make FSR2 compatible with all gpu brands. If anything, you should be complaining about the Nvidia sponsored titles that leave all AMD and Intel GPU’s at an artificial disadvantage by using proprietary Nvidia only enhancements.

 

[-Fran-]

I honestly don’t see a problem here. AMD has sponsored the game and they were kind enough to make FSR2 compatible with all gpu brands. If anything, you should be complaining about the Nvidia sponsored titles that leave all AMD and Intel GPU’s at an artificial disadvantage by using proprietary Nvidia only enhancements.

It's a different thing to say "we're blocking developers from using other tech" than "developers choose FSR2 over XeSS and DLSS without our intervention/incentive".

I most definitely do not want AMD (or any other Company) blocking studios from using what they want due to exclusivity.

I wish AMD would come clean on this issue once and for all, instead of just giving evasive answers.

Regards.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

It's a different thing to say "we're blocking developers from using other tech" than "developers choose FSR2 over XeSS and DLSS without our intervention/incentive".

I most definitely do not want AMD (or any other Company) blocking studios from using what they want due to exclusivity.

I wish AMD would come clean on this issue once and for all, instead of just giving evasive answers.

Regards.

I totally get why you would think this would be problematic but, like I said earlier, it would only really be a problem if FSR wasn’t compatible with all GPU’s. Besides, technology exclusivity is normal SOP in capitalism my friend and Bethesda were not forced to do this, they mutually agreed to the terms of the contract. Bethesda could have declined the offer. But instead they took the money knowing what they were signing up for. They are just as much at fault as AMD.
To be honest, FSR, DLSS, XeSS are all gimmicks in my eyes, so I just don’t see this being a problem. But, when putting on your shoes, sort of speak, and analyzing why it could be a problem, my business experience brain blames Bethesda for agreeing to AMD’s exclusivity deal.

 

[-Fran-]

I totally get why you would think this would be problematic but, like I said earlier, it would only really be a problem if FSR wasn’t compatible with all GPU’s. Besides, technology exclusivity is normal SOP in capitalism my friend and Bethesda were not forced to do this, they mutually agreed to the terms of the contract. Bethesda could have declined the offer. But instead they took the money knowing what they were signing up for. They are just as much at fault as AMD.
To be honest, FSR, DLSS, XeSS are all gimmicks in my eyes, so I just don’t see this being a problem. But, when putting on your shoes, sort of speak, and analyzing why it could be a problem, my business experience brain blames Bethesda for agreeing to AMD’s exclusivity deal.

Exclusivity agreements are bad on the same principle that closed software is bad for consumers.

You can't praise FSR for being open and ignore the fact that making a tech exclusive is also bad.

I do get the point of "they're free to choose who's money they take", but I don't care about Companies choice; I do care about consumer choice and exclusivity agreements hurt consumers in the long run. Even in the short run at times.

Let's agree to disagree on this one specific part. I do not think AMD pushing an exclusivity agreement on their tech favours consumer choice, at all. This is the same stupidity EPIC has been trying to push with their store and I hate it.

Regards.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

Exclusivity agreements are bad on the same principle that closed software is bad for consumers.

You can't praise FSR for being open and ignore the fact that making a tech exclusive is also bad.

I do get the point of "they're free to choose who's money they take", but I don't care about Companies choice; I do care about consumer choice and exclusivity agreements hurt consumers in the long run. Even in the short run at times.

Let's agree to disagree on this one specific part. I do not think AMD pushing an exclusivity agreement on their tech favours consumer choice, at all. This is the same stupidity EPIC has been trying to push with their store and I hate it.

Regards.

I get it, that’s why I boycott apple products, consoles, printers, etc, etc. You can’t punish AMD for simply following precedent in the tech space. And you can’t absolve Bethesda of their anti-consumer sin either. My point is the irrational one-sided villainy of AMD when AMD did not force this on anyone. 2 sides mutually agreed to this anti-consumer behavior, and one would argue that developers have the power to tell AMD to shove their exclusivity deal by rejecting the deal, but Bethesda didn’t because they care more about the bottom line than maintaining a pro-consumer stance. You are placing your blame on one entity while absolving another of all its sins.

 

[TerryLaze]

Exclusivity agreements are bad on the same principle that closed software is bad for consumers.

You can't praise FSR for being open and ignore the fact that making a tech exclusive is also bad.

I do get the point of "they're free to choose who's money they take", but I don't care about Companies choice; I do care about consumer choice and exclusivity agreements hurt consumers in the long run. Even in the short run at times.

Let's agree to disagree on this one specific part. I do not think AMD pushing an exclusivity agreement on their tech favours consumer choice, at all. This is the same stupidity EPIC has been trying to push with their store and I hate it.

Regards.

I'm against exclusives as well, but neither what amd nor what epic does stops user choices, any PC user that wants to can still play the games either without that feature in the case of amd or just by being inconvenienced by having to install/use a different launcher, which is annoying but doesn't stop you.

Only console exclusives are truly bad for consumers because you have to buy an expensive piece of hardware (the console) to play the game.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

I'm against exclusives as well, but neither what amd nor what epic does stops user choices, any PC user that wants to can still play the games either without that feature in the case of amd or just by being inconvenienced by having to install/use a different launcher, which is annoying but doesn't stop you.

Only console exclusives are truly bad for consumers because you have to buy an expensive piece of hardware (the console) to play the game.

And printers lol, only genuine ink cartridges work, 3rd party cartridges can now be sensed and the printer will refuse to print.

 

[-Fran-]

I get it, that’s why I boycott apple products, consoles, printers, etc, etc. You can’t punish AMD for simply following precedent in the tech space. And you can’t absolve Bethesda of their anti-consumer sin either. My point is the irrational one-sided villainy of AMD when AMD did not force this on anyone. 2 sides mutually agreed to this anti-consumer behavior, and one would argue that developers have the power to tell AMD to shove their exclusivity deal by rejecting the deal, but Bethesda didn’t because they care more about the bottom line than maintaining a pro-consumer stance. You are placing your blame on one entity while absolving another of all its sins.

Don't get me wrong here. If AMD is indeed pushing exclusivity (as I said, AMD needs to come clean on this), the publishers and studios are also guilty of accepting such terms in my eyes. I'm not giving any involved party a pass, if it is the case.

I'm against exclusives as well, but neither what amd nor what epic does stops user choices, any PC user that wants to can still play the games either without that feature in the case of amd or just by being inconvenienced by having to install/use a different launcher, which is annoying but doesn't stop you.

Only console exclusives are truly bad for consumers because you have to buy an expensive piece of hardware (the console) to play the game.

That's a fair point, but I have to say I still disagree on the premise that limiting user choice is justified because you can still "not use it". This is a principled take and less practical. A "moral high horse", if you like and I'll concede on that, but I won't concede on the nefariousness of it.

Regards.

 

[The Historical Fidelity]

Don't get me wrong here. If AMD is indeed pushing exclusivity (as I said, AMD needs to come clean on this), the publishers and studios are also guilty of accepting such terms in my eyes. I'm not giving any involved party a pass, if it is the case.


That's a fair point, but I have to say I still disagree on the premise that limiting user choice is justified because you can still "not use it". This is a principled take and less practical. A "moral high horse", if you like and I'll concede on that, but I won't concede on the nefariousness of it.

Regards.

I can respect that point of view. Thanks for the interesting conversation!

 

[-Fran-]

For what it's worth, MLiD has said his contacts in Dev Studios (not sure how many and so on) have told him AMD or their own studios/publishers haven't issued any "do not use nVidia stuff" to them.

View: https://youtu.be/R2V_zR4e9vA?t=2493


That's like... The only "news" or sort of confirmation AMD hasn't actually done anything wrong and still hasn't come clean... What the hell, AMD? Why is it so darn hard to say "yeah, we don't force them to use FSR exclusively".

Am I missing some legal implication of saying that openly and definitively?

This is so darn strange... Why AMD? Why? XD

Regards.