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redeemer :
Your bias! Nvidia has had massive laptop chipset recalls and the destruction of consumer based cards because of various driver issues.
Nvidia also had a couple of bad runs where they fudged up thermals on their GPU dies, GPU substrates, BGA balls, etc. causing tons of premature failures from thermally induced BGA ball fractures. Nvidia blamed just about every one of their suppliers to avoid eating the replacement cost themselves but there were no problems with the suppliers' materials themselves; Nvidia simply failed to make sure the materials they chose actually could put up with the stresses Nvidia's GPUs were going to put on them.
I don't really think your statement is accurate. HP etc paid a few hundred million (partly because I think they KNEW they hadn't built laptops to NV's thermal designs). I'd say that's accepting partial blame right there and that was one of the things NV said caused problems. On top of that can you really blame the person who isn't FABBING the bad chip? I've seen people claiming NV chose the wrong solder (Charlie mostly...LOL), but are they 100% responsible for that decision or what was used? A soldering issue is not done by NV right? If bumpgate is happening, it isn't because NV soldering a bunch of crap wrong. They only design the chip, not manufacture it, place it on cards, boards or in laptops. It's a little confusing when it's only happening in a few brands laptops and not others to say the least. Maybe they are totally to blame for which solder is chosen, but that doesn't explain failures at only a few manufacturers.
If NV was pumping out the chips that were using cheapo solder, you could say it was NV's fault directly, easily I think. But they don't make ANY chips themselves. TSMC screws that up for them (and AMD). Also I'd call a company quite nice, when they pay to replace your cards/chips etc when they don't have to.
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2047089/nvidia-offers-low-laptop-replacement-bumpgate-victims
"Last year Nvidia came to a settlement in which it agreed that it would repair or replace computers that were affected by bumpgate, where some of its GPUs overheated and failed due to semiconductor packaging defects."
Does Nvidia make packaging? NO. So who owns the packaging DEFECTS in reality?...Ummm....wait for it....TSMC who actually manufactured the DEFECTS! Is ARM to blame when someone using their IP has a chip running hot in a tablet or phone? Don't we put that at the manufacturer's doorstep usually? While NV gets all the bad PR, I'm sure TSMC had to give them a really good deal on the next few years worth of chips, which may explain why they are making profits and AMD isn't...LOL. Or it's just better drivers getting higher returns etc
😉 Whatever. TSMC paid something, we just don't know what (money, terms etc). I believe smart people KNOW it isn't NV who made the chips or at least doesn't lay all blame with NV only. Which is probably why it hasn't hurt them at all, as they still own 65% discrete. If it hurt, AMD would own 65%
Also don't forget HP and Dell offered extended warranties for bad machines. You don't normally do that if you don't think you're at fault, you'd say "call NV, they did it". Apple did the same for 2yrs from purchase date no matter if it was IN or OUT of warranty (and i think upped it to 4yrs on some at some point). Again though, how is NV responsible for anything OUT of warranty? You should have bought a 3-5yr warranty if that is what you wanted, not the 1yr or 90day right?...LOL. It was nice of them to do anything for these people, and in some cases gave new laptops.
Why didn't it affect millions of desktops? Why only a few manufacturers laptops? I'd say NV was at least partially correct when they said they ignored the thermal design recommendations of NV. I'd also say TSMC shares some blame along with at least partially manufacturers/NV. Not saying NV isn't to blame at all, but you get the point. There's a lot more people involved.
When your drivers suck, that's NV/AMD's fault directly. Cards or chips though, or worse computers with them inside? That can't be laid at NV or AMD's door completely if much at all.
http://www.techpowerup.com/165707/tsmc-gives-nvidia-priority-for-28-nm-manufacturing.html
Why do you think TSMC gave them 28nm priority? Only a year after the settlement...LOL. Umm, a little blame at TSMC I'd guess and some agreement afterward. Remember, Jen said he'd go after people AFTER it was all settled. I can't sue or go after TSMC until I find out how big the bill is people will put at my own doorstep right?
http://gizmodo.com/5406415/laptop-reliability-study-asus-and-toshiba-come-out-on-top
Then consider data like that, showing they are not caring as much as they should about thermals in ALL their laptops (HP, Dell, Gateway, etc). Asus & Toshiba were best, but 15% is still pretty dang bad. Over 31% will fail in under 3yrs? WOW. So all your laptops suck across all vendors...OK. Clearly on the edge of producing JUNK in most cases no matter what gpu is in them. JUNK all around right?
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