News AMD Radeon RX 7900 GRE partner card roundup — all the cards currently listed

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With the change in availability of AMD's (nearly) 1-year-old RX 7900 GRE, we've compiled a list of partner cards currently listed for sale in the U.S.

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Looking at the performance reviews from Hardware Unboxed and Gamers Nexus, this card's existence is completely pointless. It's $50 more expensive than the RX 7800 XT for what amounts to pretty much the same performance.

I honestly don't know why AMD bothered.

 

[The TrippyHippie]

It's another cheaper card with 16GB AMD at least has that going for them, how many 16GB GPU's does AMD have for sale compared to Nvidia right now?

 

[JarredWaltonGPU]

Looking at the performance reviews from Hardware Unboxed and Gamers Nexus, this card's existence is completely pointless. It's $50 more expensive than the RX 7800 XT for what amounts to pretty much the same performance.

I honestly don't know why AMD bothered.

Because it's 5~10 percent faster, and that makes it look a bit better in the benchmarks? RTX 4070 was matching or beating the 7800 XT, so adding a bit more performance makes things look better.

Also because there are probably enough Navi 31 GCDs that either don't have enough functional CUs (maybe), or with more than one defective MCD link (also maybe), or perhaps with some other defect that prevents them from being sold as a 7900 XT.

 

[The TrippyHippie]

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Because it's 5~10 percent faster, and that makes it look a bit better in the benchmarks? RTX 4070 was matching or beating the 7800 XT, so adding a bit more performance makes things look better.

Also because there are probably enough Navi 31 GCDs that either don't have enough functional CUs (maybe), or with more than one defective MCD link (also maybe), or perhaps with some other defect that prevents them from being sold as a 7900 XT.

aside from gaming there would surely be an nice uplift in stable diffusion ONNX or AI related work loads because it has way more shaders?

 

[JarredWaltonGPU]

aside from gaming there would surely be an nice uplift in stable diffusion ONNX or AI related work loads because it has way more shaders?

Stable Diffusion (on AMD at least) ended up being pretty seriously bandwidth limited in my testing.

 

[The TrippyHippie]

hmm gets cained by the 4070 ....

Maybe the 16GB wouldn't win me over after all.

 

[The TrippyHippie]

Stable Diffusion (on AMD at least) ended up being pretty seriously bandwidth limited in my testing.

have hand it to Nvidia they are well ahead, One day I'll get my hands on a RTX4070 it might not be the current gen by the time I can afford one although would still be a nice card to own.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Because it's 5~10 percent faster, and that makes it look a bit better in the benchmarks? RTX 4070 was matching or beating the 7800 XT, so adding a bit more performance makes things look better.

Yeah, I suppose. It's just that it's also 10% more expensive so that makes it pretty underwhelming overall. If it were just 15% faster than it is, it would be more at a mid-point between the RX 7800 XT and RX 7900 XT which I believe would make it considerably more exciting than it is. A lot of the numbers that I saw from Hardware Unboxed were single-digit FPS increases (some being VERY LOW single-digit increases) and that was pretty disappointing.

I honestly expected that the RX 7900 GRE would've been at least 15% faster than the RX 7800 XT (putting it at that magic midpoint between the 7800 XT and 7900 XT) but, to be fair, since the GRE came out so long ago and the 7800 XT came out so recently, I had long forgotten the performance numbers of the GRE.

Also because there are probably enough Navi 31 GCDs that either don't have enough functional CUs (maybe), or with more than one defective MCD link (also maybe), or perhaps with some other defect that prevents them from being sold as a 7900 XT.

I get that, I'm just not sure that AMD is doing enough to make these cards palatable to consumers. Paying 10% more for 5-10% more performance would probably strike most people as just not worth it because it doesn't take any games that are unplayable on the 7800 XT and make them playable. The difference between them would be imperceptible, except the extra $50 missing from the wallet. 😉

 

[The TrippyHippie]

Stable Diffusion (on AMD at least) ended up being pretty seriously bandwidth limited in my testing.

oh sorry how was stable diffusion configured? or what version was just stable diffusion ML? or was it run using the ONNX optimized version?

I tested 2 versions one was stable diffusion ML but the other was the master version on GIT HUB that version allows you to optimize models with ONNX within the webui and with that version my old amd card more than doubled it speed compared to the normal WebuiML that pull's and installs ONNX as part of the install package but didnt have the options to optimize models within the webui

my installs were done in CMD using git hub to pull the ML version and the master version was the version that is a zipped file on github basicly the zipped version here

https://github.com/lshqqytiger/stable-diffusion-webui-directml

For it to work you have to Install and use an older version of python, python version 3.10.6 beacuse something to do with pytorch i think cant remember now it been a little while since I messed around with it, but if you have a newer version of python set up and configured it probs not worth messing around but I dont know I'm just a noob. you probs know way more than me about it.

 

[JarredWaltonGPU]

oh sorry how was stable diffusion configured? or what version was just stable diffusion ML? or was it run using the ONNX optimized version?

Yes, ishqqytiger is the version I used on AMD. You have to "recompile" or whatever the ONNX model for each different GPU. Lots of fun! But you have to do something similar for Nvidia's latest TensorRT stuff.

Yeah, I suppose. It's just that it's also 10% more expensive so that makes it pretty underwhelming overall.

See that's the problem, though: 10% more money for 10% more performance is actually a good deal overall. I mean, look at how many parts are 50% more money for 10% more performance, or at least less than 20%. And it's not just GPUs, it's CPUs, SSDs, memory, etc. I need to figure out a good way to generate a table or chart for this, as I have all the data in my spreadsheets... Here we go (not based on MSRP, though):

GPU	Retail Price	Perf/$	Value Rank
RTX 4090	$1,900	0.0889	43
RTX 4080 Super	$1,050	0.1418	36
RTX 4080	$1,186	0.1226	39
RTX 4070 Ti Super	$800	0.1674	31
RX 7900 XTX	$920	0.1421	35
RTX 4070 Ti	$720	0.1770	28
RTX 3090 Ti	$1,726	0.0728	44
RTX 4070 Super	$590	0.2027	12
RX 7900 XT	$700	0.1709	30
RTX 3090	$1,280	0.0924	42
RTX 3080 Ti	$1,029	0.1128	41
RTX 3080 12GB	$895	0.1269	37
RTX 4070	$525	0.2019	13
RX 7900 GRE	$550	0.1925	21
RTX 3080	$575	0.1829	24
RX 6950 XT	$580	0.1777	27
RX 6900 XT	$780	0.1260	38
RX 7800 XT	$490	0.2001	15
RX 6800 XT	$460	0.2017	14
RTX 3070 Ti	$500	0.1748	29
RX 7700 XT	$420	0.2062	10
RTX 4060 Ti 16GB	$430	0.1931	20
RTX 4060 Ti	$375	0.2206	5
RTX 3070	$425	0.1938	19
RX 6800	$401	0.2034	11
RTX 3060 Ti	$465	0.1583	33
RX 6750 XT	$360	0.1959	17
RTX 4060	$285	0.2362	3
RX 6700 XT	$350	0.1895	23
RX 7600 XT	$320	0.1917	22
Arc A770 16GB	$290	0.2091	9
RTX 2070 Super	$500	0.1188	40
RX 6700 10GB	$300	0.1938	18
Arc A770 8GB	$316	0.1793	25
Arc A750	$210	0.2643	2
RTX 3060	$280	0.1986	16
RX 7600	$260	0.2133	7
RX 6650 XT	$241	0.2195	6
RX 6600 XT	$240	0.2119	8
Arc A580	$165	0.3046	1
RX 6600	$190	0.2254	4
RTX 2060	$279	0.1525	34
RTX 3050	$225	0.1780	26
Arc A380	$115	0.1653	32

 

[Alvar "Miles" Udell]

• Asus RX 7900 GRE TUF Gaming for $599.99

And that exemplifies the issue surrounding AMD's pricing. You can get an ASUS Dual GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER for the same price, and the GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER WINDFORCE OC, and the ZOTAC GAMING GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER Twin Edge (actually $10 less right now on "sale").

With the 4070 Super performing effectively (1-3% difference overall) the same in games while performing 25% better when ray tracing is involved, and having far better efficency (TechPowerUp arrived at the same power figures in their tests as well), outside of people who need to use the programs AMD specifically does better in than nVidia, how do you tell someone to get the 7900 GRE over the 4070 Super?

 

[davidhhh]

Yeah, I suppose. It's just that it's also 10% more expensive so that makes it pretty underwhelming overall. If it were just 15% faster than it is, it would be more at a mid-point between the RX 7800 XT and RX 7900 XT which I believe would make it considerably more exciting than it is. A lot of the numbers that I saw from Hardware Unboxed were single-digit FPS increases (some being VERY LOW single-digit increases) and that was pretty disappointing.

I honestly expected that the RX 7900 GRE would've been at least 15% faster than the RX 7800 XT (putting it at that magic midpoint between the 7800 XT and 7900 XT) but, to be fair, since the GRE came out so long ago and the 7800 XT came out so recently, I had long forgotten the performance numbers of the GRE.

I get that, I'm just not sure that AMD is doing enough to make these cards palatable to consumers. Paying 10% more for 5-10% more performance would probably strike most people as just not worth it because it doesn't take any games that are unplayable on the 7800 XT and make them playable. The difference between them would be imperceptible, except the extra $50 missing from the wallet. 😉

However, HwU only tested a stock card. And none of the new batch of cards are at stock. They have base speeds up to 394 MHz (31%) faster and boost clocks up to 146 MHz (6.5%) faster. Techpowerup tested one of the faster OCed cards and found it was 4% more powerful overall than the stock card.

While those aren't stellar figures, they're better than HwU showed, and explains why almost every other reviewer/tester had better results for the 7900 GRE. And it also helps to justify the extra cost over the 7800 XT, pushing it closer to the 10% extra performance to go with the 10% extra cost.

While it's true that some of the OCed cards are $10-50 more than the MSRP, not all of them are. I have the Gigabyte Gamer OC one on the way, and it's the same $550 price as stock, but with those OCed speeds.

Also, remember that there are lots of different potential customers with different needs and expectations and acceptable price ranges. What doesn't make sense for you definitely makes sense for me. And probably for a lot more people than you realize. And if not, then AMD will have to drop the price, which is fine.

For me, it would have been hard to justify upgrading my 6800 XT to the 7800 XT (which is why I didn't!) with the very minimal performance uplift. But the 7900 GRE hits that sweet spot with actual, noticeable and measurable improvement, but without the high cost of the 7900 XT, which I also couldn't justify. Remember that while it's not at the midpoint between the 7800 XT and the 7900 XT in performance, it's also not at the mid-point in price either.

And it uses less power than my 6800 XT or the 6900 XT, so I don't have to upgrade my PSU or worry about power issues. And I can always sell off my 6800 XT to help justify it, making the upgrade around $200, and allowing me to start to move into 4k gaming.

 

[Avro Arrow]

See that's the problem, though: 10% more money for 10% more performance is actually a good deal overall.

Don't get me wrong I know it's a good deal. Everybody knows that value decreases as you go up the product stack. I didn't mean to say that it wasn't a good deal, it's just nothing new and exciting. It's kind of like how, sure the R7-5700X3D is a great deal, but there was no mystery to it at that point. I also was hampered by the fact that I had only seen Steve Walton's video and I didn't know until today that he did it wrong. Now that I've seen videos from Steve Burke and Daniel Owen, I realise that the card is in fact not pointless.

However, HwU only tested a stock card. And none of the new batch of cards are at stock. They have base speeds up to 394 MHz (31%) faster and boost clocks up to 146 MHz (6.5%) faster. Techpowerup tested one of the faster OCed cards and found it was 4% more powerful overall than the stock card.

Yeah, I only realised that today when I saw videos from Steve Burke and Daniel Owen. I'm glad that it's better than I thought because, based on what Steve Walton said, it really was pointless.

 

[davidhhh]

Don't get me wrong I know it's a good deal. Everybody knows that value decreases as you go up the product stack. I didn't mean to say that it wasn't a good deal, it's just nothing new and exciting. It's kind of like how, sure the R7-5700X3D is a great deal, but there was no mystery to it at that point. I also was hampered by the fact that I had only seen Steve Walton's video and I didn't know until today that he did it wrong. Now that I've seen videos from Steve Burke and Daniel Owen, I realise that the card is in fact not pointless.

Yeah, I only realised that today when I saw videos from Steve Burke and Daniel Owen. I'm glad that it's better than I thought because, based on what Steve Walton said, it really was pointless.

Interestingly, Steve/Hardware Unboxed posted an updated review, taking into account the OCs. He does a good job of comparing stock 7800 XT to stock 7900 GRE, OC edition 7800 XT to OC edition 7900 GRE and stock 7800 XT to OCed 7900 GRE.

HW Unboxed 7900GRE review update

Basically, the OCed 7900 GREs are about 8% more powerful than the OCed 7800 XTs for that 10% extra cost. (And about 13% faster than the stock 7800 XT.) But factor in the fact that the OCed models of 7800 XT are generally more expensive than the MSRP for stock and the fact that at least a few models of OCed 7900 GREs are currently priced at the $550 MSRP, and the discrepancy between pricing and performance becomes basically zero, and the 7900 GRE becomes even more compelling, especially for people upgrading from previous GPU generations.

But the most interesting development in all of this is that all of the hubbub and dissatisfaction from much of the fanbase has forced AMD to announce that the strict limitations on overclocking that they obviously deliberately imposed on the 7900 GREs to avoid cannibalizing sales of the 7900 XT were actually a "bug" that will be fixed soon. So, we'll probably likely see those already decent OC performance numbers going up quite a bit with the next Adrenaline update.

So, in just a couple of days the enthusiast fanbase has managed to pressure both one of the largest YouTube hardware DUI enthusiast channels and the second largest computer parts manufacturer to change courses on some questionable decisions. Not a bad week for the community!

 

[My FeetHurt]

Wonder what the speeds will be like when AMD removes OC limits on these cards through a new driver update.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Interestingly, Steve/Hardware Unboxed posted an updated review, taking into account the OCs. He does a good job of comparing stock 7800 XT to stock 7900 GRE, OC edition 7800 XT to OC edition 7900 GRE and stock 7800 XT to OCed 7900 GRE.

HW Unboxed 7900GRE review update

Basically, the OCed 7900 GREs are about 8% more powerful than the OCed 7800 XTs for that 10% extra cost. (And about 13% faster than the stock 7800 XT.) But factor in the fact that the OCed models of 7800 XT are generally more expensive than the MSRP for stock and the fact that at least a few models of OCed 7900 GREs are currently priced at the $550 MSRP, and the discrepancy between pricing and performance becomes basically zero, and the 7900 GRE becomes even more compelling, especially for people upgrading from previous GPU generations.

But the most interesting development in all of this is that all of the hubbub and dissatisfaction from much of the fanbase has forced AMD to announce that the strict limitations on overclocking that they obviously deliberately imposed on the 7900 GREs to avoid cannibalizing sales of the 7900 XT were actually a "bug" that will be fixed soon. So, we'll probably likely see those already decent OC performance numbers going up quite a bit with the next Adrenaline update.

So, in just a couple of days the enthusiast fanbase has managed to pressure both one of the largest YouTube hardware DUI enthusiast channels and the second largest computer parts manufacturer to change courses on some questionable decisions. Not a bad week for the community!

Not bad at all. I understand why he used that method (it keeps things consistent) but he didn't take into account that nobody can currently buy a reference 7900 GRE because they were discontinued long ago. What puzzled me is that he used the Sapphire Nitro model when it was the Powercolor Hellhound that had the best clocks and thermals in his first video. I'm willing to bet that it's also a good deal less expensive than the Sapphire Nitro because the Nitro is Sapphire's marquee brand while the same cannot be said about Powercolor's Hellhound.

Powercolor tends to be all over the place with their branding. The only things that remain constant is that the Red Devil is their marquee brand and the Fighter is their base model. I'm honestly not sure if Red Dragon is higher than Hellhound or lower. Powercolor is a pretty inconsistent mess that way. 🤔

 

[JarredWaltonGPU]

Powercolor tends to be all over the place with their branding. The only things that remain constant is that the Red Devil is their marquee brand and the Fighter is their base model. I'm honestly not sure if Red Dragon is higher than Hellhound or lower. Powercolor is a pretty inconsistent mess that way. 🤔

Red Devil
Red Dragon
Hellhound
Fighter

If it helps, one of these things is not like the others! The top three all have "evil / tough / monstrous" connotations. And then we have the lowly and generic Fighter. Also, I think Red Devil and Red Dragon are mostly reserved for higher tier products — like there's not an RX 7600 Red Dragon as an example. I don't think there are higher tier Fighter products either, for example.

 

[Avro Arrow]

Red Devil
Red Dragon
Hellhound
Fighter

If it helps, one of these things is not like the others! The top three all have "evil / tough / monstrous" connotations.

Thanks for that Jared! I was always a bit confused about the RD and HH.

And then we have the lowly and generic Fighter. Also, I think Red Devil and Red Dragon are mostly reserved for higher tier products — like there's not an RX 7600 Red Dragon as an example. I don't think there are higher tier Fighter products either, for example.

Oh yeah, the Fighter model is about as generic as it gets. Just a cheap back plastic shroud with fans. You know, now that I think about it, there actually is one model tier below Fighter in the Powercolor line, the ITX cards. I should've remembered it because I bought a Powercolor RX 6500 XT ITX for my mother's HTPC. It just looks like a single-fan Fighter model so Powercolor has the complete generic collection with that.

You can have one, two or three fans and they're all as plain-looking as possible:

Having said that, it's not like we need more than what we see here because as cheap-looking as they are, they still work just fine. For those of us without glass side panels, having a "pretty" video card doesn't make a lick of difference, eh? 😉

 

[JarredWaltonGPU]

Having said that, it's not like we need more than what we see here because as cheap-looking as they are, they still work just fine. For those of us without glass side panels, having a "pretty" video card doesn't make a lick of difference, eh? 😉

But think about the RGBs! Who will care for the RGBs? LOL

 

[Avro Arrow]

But think about the RGBs! Who will care for the RGBs? LOL

There's more than enough Gen-Z's to ensure that the RGBs are well taken-care of! 😉