News AMD Ryzen 3 4100 and Ryzen 5 4500 Review: Taking on Core i3

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On the cusp of Ryzen 7000, AMD's Zen 2-powered Rzyen 3 4100 and Ryzen 5 4500 in an attempt to tackle Intel's Alder Lake Core i3.

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[shady28]

There's no way around it, AMD is milking its fan base with these chips.

 

[rluker5]

Almost an upgrade from Haswell.

 

[AgentBirdnest]

AMD is scraping the gunk that's stuck to the bottom of the barrel. If any of my friends consider buying these, I'll personally pay the difference for them to get an i3-12100 or discounted R5 5600, so they don't have to live with this garbage.
They're almost like refreshes of chips from 2 years earlier, except worse. At least the 3100 and 3300x had PCIe 4.0. These would make more sense if they were priced at around $50 and $75. It's disheartening that the 2-year-old 3300x is still AMD's best <$150 CPU, but has been sighted as often as bigfoot.

Good review. Insulting product.

 

[TCA_ChinChin]

I'm fine with AMD releasing products for AM4 as a budget offering, but these are an insult to budget builders. I was expecting either a lot better prices or Zen 3 chips for these kinds of later down the road AM4 releases.

 

[Deleted member 2928070]

There's no way around it, AMD is milking its fan base with these chips.

LMAO. I pity poor folks that like you treat building a PC like watching a sports game.

 

[escksu]

Nay, these are useless chips. They don't have integrated graphics. At this price, you would reckon that not everyone has the budget to include a graphics card so integrated gpu becomes important.

For the most budget pc, I rather stick with Intel 10105... It's even cheaper than AMD and it's able to at least run games like dota, csgo and Minecraft. Or if you like maple story and roblox.

 

[escksu]

I'm fine with AMD releasing products for AM4 as a budget offering, but these are an insult to budget builders. I was expecting either a lot better prices or Zen 3 chips for these kinds of later down the road AM4 releases.

At this price range, nearly every dollar counts and lack of igpu makes it unattractive. We are talking about really budget PCs where you can only have 8gb and 250gb SSD.. at least with Intel hd graphics, kids can still play games like CSGO, dota, Roblox etc at low settings. For amd, you must have a separate graphics card else you will only see a black screen.

 

[King_V]

There's no way around it, AMD is milking its fan base with these chips.

How, exactly?

 

[shady28]

How, exactly?

I think it was plainly obvious to anyone who looked at the article and the price / performance structure. Only uninformed consumers would buy this chip vs chips already available.

With that said, you are apparently on a crusade to troll and harass me.

With that, welcome to my ignore list. It's a very short list, you should be proud.

 

[King_V]

Honestly, I have no problem with these chips. I do have a problem with these chips at these prices . . but they've been out for a little while, now.

The 4500 is available easily for $109 even at the moment. Weirdly, the 4100 is available for $108.

But, as the article states, for only a little more, the 5500 (best price as of this time is $119) is a far better chip.

Of course, if you have a convenient Micro Center, then the 4500 is $99.99. Less the $25 off any CPU coupon (new customer, also a facebook version of the coupon for non-new customers) brings that to $74.99.

Add in a "submit a build" $25 coupon, and suddenly, this chip can be had real cheap.


Then again, they have the 5500 at only $20 more, and the same coupons/discounts apply.

That said, if you're really squeezing the budget, the 4500 would be good, say, as an upgrade from the 3x00G models, 2x00G models, Ryzen 3 1x00 and 2x00 models, and possibly most Ryzen 5 1x00 models. Most certainly the Athlon models.

 

[King_V]

I think it was plainly obvious to anyone who looked at the article and the price / performance structure. Only uninformed consumers would buy this chip vs chips already available.

With that said, you are apparently on a crusade to troll and harass me.

With that, welcome to my ignore list. It's a very short list, you should be proud.

You just said "milking their fan base" and now you're saying that "only uninformed customers would buy" these.

Those two are contradictory.

I'm not on a crusade to troll and harass you. You are making contradictory statements and vague statements with ZERO evidence. I am simply pointing out how you are very obviously doing so.

I just happened to notice two instances of that from you, and I happened to notice them on the same day.

 

[escksu]

There's no way around it, AMD is milking its fan base with these chips.

This one is still ok. YOu should see AMD A10-9700..

https://www.amazon.com/AMD-A10-9700-Quad-core-Core-Processor/dp/B074B856CD

You wonder why is bull-dozer CPU still onsale today.....and yes AMD actually update it to use DDR4!!!

 

[TerryLaze]

You just said "milking their fan base" and now you're saying that "only uninformed customers would buy" these.

Those two are contradictory.

How are they contradictory?
Unlikely yes, but I'm sure there are at least a few AMD fans that will do zero research and just buy one of them.

And that goes for intel nvidia and apple and every other company as well, people will just buy any crap because of company, just look at all the low end gpus that came out, I bet people are buying them.

 

[edzieba]

You just said "milking their fan base" and now you're saying that "only uninformed customers would buy" these.

Those two are contradictory.

I'd label any consumer that is a "fan" of a faceless corporation to be an uninformed consumer.

• If you're judging hardware by its performance in your particular workloads (i.e. if its for a renderbox you don't care about how good a chip is in terms of gaming FPS, and vice versa) regardless of its manufacturer, that's an informed consumer.
• If you buy AMD because you're an 'AMD fan' and AMD are the best, then you're an uninformed consumer.

 

[rluker5]

Honestly, I have no problem with these chips. I do have a problem with these chips at these prices . . but they've been out for a little while, now.

The 4500 is available easily for $109 even at the moment. Weirdly, the 4100 is available for $108.

But, as the article states, for only a little more, the 5500 (best price as of this time is $119) is a far better chip.

Of course, if you have a convenient Micro Center, then the 4500 is $99.99. Less the $25 off any CPU coupon (new customer, also a facebook version of the coupon for non-new customers) brings that to $74.99.

Add in a "submit a build" $25 coupon, and suddenly, this chip can be had real cheap.


Then again, they have the 5500 at only $20 more, and the same coupons/discounts apply.

That said, if you're really squeezing the budget, the 4500 would be good, say, as an upgrade from the 3x00G models, 2x00G models, Ryzen 3 1x00 and 2x00 models, and possibly most Ryzen 5 1x00 models. Most certainly the Athlon models.

And the Celeron G6900 is $39.99 with cooler and igpu at Newegg right now. Yes it is slower than these chips, but makes the point that these things are far from the bottom in price. In the price range these chips are in you are looking for best bang for the buck where the 5600, i3s and i5s leave these in the dust. They are not a good choice for the consumer.
You could pick up some complete old used office PC with something like a 4770 that would perform in the same ballpark, at the same price as just these CPUs.

 

[King_V]

How are they contradictory?
Unlikely yes, but I'm sure there are at least a few AMD fans that will do zero research and just buy one of them.

And that goes for intel nvidia and apple and every other company as well, people will just buy any crap because of company, just look at all the low end gpus that came out, I bet people are buying them.

"Just a few" does not constitute their "fan base" . . . the claim/argument was ridiculous, without evidence, and without merit. Trying to defend that is not making any more sense.

And yes, of course people are (likely) buying them. That's a meaningless statement. If one person buys one, then yet, people are buying them. If OEMs use them for bottom-of-the-line office system, then yes, people are buying them.

 

[-Fran-]

These CPUs make my eyes bleed, haha. Holy cow... AMD, why? Just give them away with motherboards or something.

These are not late to the party, they're just trash at those prices. Hell, I don't even know if selling them at $60 would make them that much better either...

Regards.

 

[-Fran-]

I'd label any consumer that is a "fan" of a faceless corporation to be an uninformed consumer.

• If you're judging hardware by its performance in your particular workloads (i.e. if its for a renderbox you don't care about how good a chip is in terms of gaming FPS, and vice versa) regardless of its manufacturer, that's an informed consumer.
• If you buy AMD because you're an 'AMD fan' and AMD are the best, then you're an uninformed consumer.

That's your own definition.

A fan can be super informed, but have heavy bias. If you don't see how they're contradictory, then maybe your own bias is making you a fan, HAHA.

Regards.

 

[King_V]

On another note, anyone in touch with Paul know when they'll be added to the CPU hierarchy charts?