Review AMD Ryzen 3 5300G Review: Stunning Value APU Performance

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We benchmarked AMD's unreleased Ryzen 3 5300G in gaming and application workloads to see if it could be a winner in the DIY market.

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[hotaru251]

i do question how pci 3.0 is a con on a cpu that is focused on being budget option.

 

[escksu]

i do question how pci 3.0 is a con on a cpu that is focused on being budget option.

ITs a con because all Ryzen APUs are PCIE-3.0, this means 5600G, 5700G all PCI-E3.0.....

The APU was supposdly to be a great product but AMD "castrated" it by literally halving the cache and using PCIE 3.0. On top of that, they use back Vega instead of RDNA....

Now, imagine what the APU would be like if AMD had taken a different approach. The use the same Zen3 with PCIE and full cache and drop in RDNA GPU. It would been a monster. I am find if they sell it more than the non-APU verison.

 

[digitalgriffin]

If it exceeds $150 I seriously doubt the value vs a 3400g.

 

[Krotow]

Now, imagine what the APU would be like if AMD had taken a different approach. The use the same Zen3 with PCIE and full cache and drop in RDNA GPU. It would been a monster. I am find if they sell it more than the non-APU verison.

Apparently this will appear, but for double price

 

[Gillerer]

Since TSMC's N7 process is supposed to have great yields, AMD probably doesn't have many APU dies with 3+ faulty cores or 2 faulty CUs to go around.

That means the only reason this 4-core alternative exists is to use up the few failed dies to satisfy their partners' greed; allowing OEMs to produce low-cost systems they can overcharge for.

AMD have stated that the 5300G will not be coming to the DYI market. Even if it did, the price would certainly not be anywhere near $150 - somewhere around $189 - $219 would be more likely, to get a similar price hike as all previous Zen 3 products.

ITs a con because all Ryzen APUs are PCIE-3.0, this means 5600G, 5700G all PCI-E3.0.....

The APU was supposedly to be a great product but AMD "castrated" it by literally halving the cache and using PCIE 3.0. On top of that, they use back Vega instead of RDNA....

Now, imagine what the APU would be like if AMD had taken a different approach. The use the same Zen3 with PCIE and full cache and drop in RDNA GPU. It would been a monster. I am find if they sell it more than the non-APU verison.

If this had as much L3 cache as the desktop CPUs, PCIe 4 and a RDNA GPU, it certainly would be a monster - in terms of die area, power consumption and cost. No OEM would use it, or alternatively AMD would have to cut their margins severely.

This is based on what is primarily a laptop APU. Desktop comes as an afterthought, so all design decisions are made with the laptop experience and ease of integration (by OEMs) in mind.

 

[zodiacfml]

well the 3300x is now overpriced and hard to find and higher end Ryzens increased in price recently. this will fare worse.

 

[10tacle]

Well heck. I am planning on building an entry level gaming PC for my 13 year old nephew as a Christmas gift (he knows of the shortages of both GPUs and PS5 consoles and the root causes of why). He'll be inheriting my old GTX 1080 Ti from my 1440p rig finally being put out to pasture, but I want to give him the peace of mind in these impossible GPU times to have a backup option for iGPU gaming should that 1080 Ti go belly up. The Ryzen 3 is right up that alley and a much better performance value than the Intel i3 but this is unfortunate. As zodiacfml said above, now the 3300x is priced into what I'd traditionally consider Ryzen 5 and Intel i5 territory. Amazon and NewEgg have it right now for $239 -- and that's a year and a half old chip originally priced at $120! I guess this is the new normal now. It used to be we could always fall back on consoles for gaming if the PC market got crazy but we don't even have that as an option now.

 

[logainofhades]

Well heck. I am planning on building an entry level gaming PC for my 13 year old nephew as a Christmas gift (he knows of the shortages of both GPUs and PS5 consoles and the root causes of why). He'll be inheriting my old GTX 1080 Ti from my 1440p rig finally being put out to pasture, but I want to give him the peace of mind in these impossible GPU times to have a backup option for iGPU gaming should that 1080 Ti go belly up. The Ryzen 3 is right up that alley and a much better performance value than the Intel i3 but this is unfortunate. As zodiacfml said above, now the 3300x is priced into what I'd traditionally consider Ryzen 5 and Intel i5 territory. Amazon and NewEgg have it right now for $239 -- and that's a year and a half old chip originally priced at $120! I guess this is the new normal now. It used to be we could always fall back on consoles for gaming if the PC market got crazy but we don't even have that as an option now.

There is always a chance of finding something, on the used market. Personally, for a new gaming rig, I wouldn't go below a 6c/12t chip. Games are becoming more core/thread heavy.

 

[Gillerer]

There is always a chance of finding something, on the used market. Personally, for a new gaming rig, I wouldn't go below a 6c/12t chip. Games are becoming more core/thread heavy.

If thinking of "finding something on the used market", it's important to remember that cores are not created equal, and the number of cores is not the be-all and end-all - it's the overall performance of the CPU that counts.

E.g. for a pure gaming build, I wouldn't pick Ryzen 5 1600, 1600AF or a 2600 (each 6c/12t) over a 10th gen Core i3 (4c/8t).

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@10tacke:
Overall, the 10th gen Intel Cores are really good value right now (as long as stock lasts... which they might not until Christmas), and something like an i5-10400F or 10400 (depending on whether you need an iGPU) would be a really good gaming CPU paired with the 1080Ti.

I wouldn't count on any iGPU to be a "backup gaming option". Once you're used to dGPU performance, the most one will offer is a "backup desktop/productivity/debugging option".

 

[10tacle]

@10tacke: Overall, the 10th gen Intel Cores are really good value right now (as long as stock lasts... which they might not until Christmas), and something like an i5-10400F or 10400 (depending on whether you need an iGPU) would be a really good gaming CPU paired with the 1080Ti.

I wouldn't count on any iGPU to be a "backup gaming option". Once you're used to dGPU performance, the most one will offer is a "backup desktop/productivity/debugging option".

Well again we are in lean meat times. My nephew has grown up watching me PC game and upgrade PC hardware as well as get involved with PS3/4 gaming. He has had nearly a year now to fully understand what is going on with hardware shortages and to expect to be disappointed. If my 1080 Ti craps out next year and we are still in this hardware shortage mess as most analysts predict, he'll at least be informed on why he can't get a new GPU (or PS5). He'll just have to game at 720p. I'm also helping my nephew understand the term "first world problems." Problems as in be happy and make do with what you have like I grew up with and our forefathers did as well.

 

[domih]

ITs a con because all Ryzen APUs are PCIE-3.0, this means 5600G, 5700G all PCI-E3.0.....

The APU was supposdly to be a great product but AMD "castrated" it by literally halving the cache and using PCIE 3.0. On top of that, they use back Vega instead of RDNA....

Now, imagine what the APU would be like if AMD had taken a different approach. The use the same Zen3 with PCIE and full cache and drop in RDNA GPU. It would been a monster. I am find if they sell it more than the non-APU verison.

The 5000G series permits mobo manufacturers to provide a PCIe Gen3 x16 mechanical AND electrical. The 3000G and 4000G series only provide x8 electrical. This has very interesting consequences. ASRock has several mini-ITX boards where you can bifurcate the x16 into x8 + x8 or x8 + x4 + x4. PCIe Gen3 x8 enables you to use a large number of PCIe Gen3 x8 cards such as real hardware RAID cards, high-speed network cards for 10GbE, 25GbE, 40GbE or IB cards.

That makes it a potential platform for building a NAS more performant than usual. I proceeded with this exercise using a 5700g: Adaptec 8805, 8 x HGST He8 8TB SAS 12g in RAID10, Mellanox ConnectX-3 Pro(*). Results:

(*) Cards and disks bought on eBay from data center used hardware. Working system total cost: $2755, it would have cost $4275 with new hardware. CPU, mobo, memory bought new.

RAID10 / iozone -e -I -a -s 100M -r 4k -r 16k -r 512k -r 1024k -r 16384k -i 0 -i 1 -i 2

102400 4 122377 137437 138961 140013 138789 135158
102400 16 452399 514089 519291 516947 510771 502361
102400 512 4033711 4107312 4060943 4118576 4067673 4128712
102400 1024 4950240 5065548 4949498 5002943 4955952 5068298
102400 16384 6688698 6798433 6708287 6699676 6729967 6779653

Using Samba, sequential write (e.g. copy of a large file) is about 20 times faster than 1 GbE:

• Copying 1 GB file: 0.492 sec (median of 7 tests, tested with a PC that tops at 30 GbE, not 48 GbE though)
• Copying 2 GB file: 0.961 sec (ditto)
• Copying 4 GB file: 1.879 sec (ditto)

With its 8C/16T the 5700g can also do VM server over 40+ GbE and run other services.

28TB NAS over 40+ GbE for less than $3,000: perfect for a SOHO or a start-up where users and IT are the same people

PCIe Gen 4 does not mean PCIe Gen 3 has suddenly become bad.