AMD Ryzen 5 2400g questions

[SJSN]

I want to buy this APU but have a few questions about it.
1)Does it support AMD APU Dual graphics?
2)If yes which graphic cards does it support?(A list or a link would be nice)
3)If I want to play Medium end games which graphic card should I take
4)Which CPU cooler should I take?
(Please tell the prices of GPUs too in INR)

 

[Corwin65]

If you are already going to buy a discrete GPU then no need to go with an APU.

 

[ZRace]

The internal GPU of the 2400G is a Vega 11 GPU. Dual Graphics would therefore theoretically be possible with any Vega desktop graphics card, but it would make no sense as the internal Vega 11 would be much much slower in Dual Graphics with any Vega 56 or Bega 64 than those cards on their own.

The 2400G is also 100% not Dual Graphics compatible with any non-Vega graphics card.

Last but not least, the 2400G has enough power to work well with any graphics card up to the GTX 1060 or RX 580 series. Faster cards may be bottlenecked by it.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

I think they've said the apu built into the 2400g is roughly equivalent to an RX 550. That said, imo, go for the apu if you don't have a discrete graphics card or if you aren't planning to buy one until later.

As far as trying to pair up the apu with a dedicated card, I would not bother with that. If you already have a graphics card or are planning to buy one now however, I would probably recommend getting a non apu version ryzen CPU like the r5 1500x or 1600 etc.

 

[gm-madi]

1- if you want to play Modern games at 1080p Medium to high settings i suggest you get a GTX1050ti and overclock it a little or get RX 570
2- if you are planning to use a GPU for gaming then Skip those APUs and get a Ryzen 1400 / 1500x / 1600 ( i suggest you get Ryzen5. 1600 because of 6 cores/12 threads wich will last at least for the next 4-5 years and then you can change that 1050ti/ rx 570 after 1-2 years )
3- a 500w PSU 80 bronze will be more than enought for what i suggested, even overcloked GPU and CPU.

so my final answer for you is, if you cant afford ryzen 1600 get the 1400 + gtx 1050 ti

 

[ZRace]

Don't get the Ryzen 5 1400, it has less CPU performance than the 2400G, so the 2400G would be better in every way. Same goes for the 1500X, which is as strong as the 2400G, but with no integrated GPU.

The 1600 is stronger than the 2400G though, so that would be a better choice if you're getting a GPU anyway.

 

[jr9]

Buying an APU for gaming isn't a good move. It's the same as having a CPU and a low end graphics card. Putting a graphics card with an APU is a waste of money because you either use one or the other. If you are serious about playing any kinds of modern games then get a Ryzen (or wait for Ryzen 2nd gen) and a graphics card. If you try to play games that are heavy like GTA5 or Tomb Raider on an APU you are going to get destroyed.

 

[dontlistentome]

I advise against a couple of things:
1. Don't bother with dual graphics/SLI/crossfire. Unless you know for a fact the games you run use it and benefit from it, forget about it. Instead get the best individual graphics solution you can afford.
2. Don't buy an APU if you plan to add a videocard. Part of the money you are spending when you buy an APU is going towards the cost of the integrated graphics. You should also spend extra money on fast DDR4 system ram, 3200 would be ideal. If you add a videocard then you will have paid extra for graphics you won't be using and the faster memory which may also be a waste. One exception to this would be if the current cost of videocards is too high for you, but you need a new computer now AND the APU graphics are just enough for you to get by on until videocard prices come down.

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

Normally I would say for a gaming PC, go to dedicated CPU. However, given the current graphics card market, the APU night not be bad.

Right now the r5 1400 is 164 on newegg. But the 2400g is 5 more. So I could see doing this as a stopgap measure if you just need to get by until GPU prices come down or you can save more money etc. But if you have the money for a dedicated GPU, then you will almost certainly get better performance than with an apu. However, if you are short on cash, I've been there many times, you could certainly do a lot worse than one of these apus.

 

[chevy6gaming]

APUs work really well, i just finished a build with it, runs GTA V Med-High graphics at 60-75 fps. I am pretty impressed with it, I am running with 16gb 2400MHz ram did pretty good on cinebench as well. It is definitely worth it to save a bit now, and you can always upgrade the CPU when you get enough for a decent Discrete GPU.

 

[chevy6gaming]

Ryzen 5 2400g did gta V really good actually, not extreme graphics but med-high at 60+ FPS

 

[jr9]

The Ryzen 2400g is about the same as having a Ryzen 5 1500X and a small nVIDIA GT 1030 graphics card. It provides nowhere near the power even an entry level GTX 1050 does. If you are playing games seriously or are building a gaming PC, an APU isn't the answer even if GPU prices are high right now. If anything, it should be only used as a temporary crutch. It's no substitute for a graphics card by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[deryago]

Hi all of you, I am currently also planning on upgrading my rack. Its been a while since the Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition entered the system (2009). At the moment its paired with a GTX 1050 ti. I came across the R5 2400G a few days ago and watched some videos about it. What is missing the most in this discussion is that the APU is splitting the PCIe Lane and using 8x for the APU and 8x for a spare dedicated GPU. So its possible to pair the APU with my 1050 ti as I am aware of. Most benchmarks compare the APU standalone vs. dedicated GPUs but that is lacking the benefit of having both resources at hand.

Here is a YT video regarding that pairing - resulting pretty good in my opinion https://youtu.be/4Tzhft_V13Y

As the 2400G has the better RAM support compared to the other first gen Ryzen 5 processors and 4/8 cores/threads its better in my option compared to Intel i5 8600k. The 1050 ti is far away from getting a bottleneck from only 8 PCIe lanes, why should I not get the extra graphics power within the APU?

Has anyone build a system like that an can spare a second opinion?

 

[ZRace]

Hi all of you, I am currently also planning on upgrading my rack. Its been a while since the Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition entered the system (2009). At the moment its paired with a GTX 1050 ti. I came across the R5 2400G a few days ago and watched some videos about it. What is missing the most in this discussion is that the APU is splitting the PCIe Lane and using 8x for the APU and 8x for a spare dedicated GPU. So its possible to pair the APU with my 1050 ti as I am aware of. Most benchmarks compare the APU standalone vs. dedicated GPUs but that is lacking the benefit of having both resources at hand.

Here is a YT video regarding that pairing - resulting pretty good in my opinion https://youtu.be/4Tzhft_V13Y

As the 2400G has the better RAM support compared to the other first gen Ryzen 5 processors and 4/8 cores/threads its better in my option compared to Intel i5 8600k. The 1050 ti is far away from getting a bottleneck from only 8 PCIe lanes, why should I not get the extra graphics power within the APU?

Has anyone build a system like that an can spare a second opinion?

There are some issues in your thinking:

First, the CPU part of the 2400G is not stronger than the i5-8600K by any means, even though it can handle more threads at once. This doesn't mean the 2400G is bad, but the 8600K is definitely stronger.

Second, the iGPU of the 2400G won't be able to "pair up" with a GTX 1050 ti in most titles. Any title that uses DirectX 11, Open GL or Vulkan - and also everything older than that - doesn't support combining GPUs from completely different architectures to boost performance.
That being said, a few select DX 12 titles like Ashes of the Singularity do support combining any GPU resources in the PC, so you may see a boost by combining the Vega 11 GPU with the GTX 1050 Ti. The amount of those games is really low though.

Last but not least, The Ryzen 5 2400G is pretty much the same as a Ryzen 5 1500X when paired with a GTX 1050 Ti in most titles. The 1500X has more PCIe bandwidth than the 2400G, while the 2400G supports slightly faster memory, so they end up being pretty much equal. Having the iGPU in the 2400G and a bboxed cooler are definitely advantages for the 2400G, so at the same price I'd go with that one 😉

 

[deryago]

There are some issues in your thinking:

First, the CPU part of the 2400G is not stronger than the i5-8600K by any means, even though it can handle more threads at once. This doesn't mean the 2400G is bad, but the 8600K is definitely stronger.

Second, the iGPU of the 2400G won't be able to "pair up" with a GTX 1050 ti in most titles. Any title that uses DirectX 11, Open GL or Vulkan - and also everything older than that - doesn't support combining GPUs from completely different architectures to boost performance.
That being said, a few select DX 12 titles like Ashes of the Singularity do support combining any GPU resources in the PC, so you may see a boost by combining the Vega 11 GPU with the GTX 1050 Ti. The amount of those games is really low though.

Last but not least, The Ryzen 5 2400G is pretty much the same as a Ryzen 5 1500X when paired with a GTX 1050 Ti in most titles. The 1500X has more PCIe bandwidth than the 2400G, while the 2400G supports slightly faster memory, so they end up being pretty much equal. Having the iGPU in the 2400G and a bboxed cooler are definitely advantages for the 2400G, so at the same price I'd go with that one 😉

Thank you for your quick response. I ordered first half of my new system. As Ryzen looks more promising to me than the i5 world i ordered "ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming X" with AM4 socket. RAM becomes "8GB Corsair Vengeance LPX rot DDR4-3200 DIMM CL16 Dual Kit" (first half of 16GB). Thats it for this first pass. What is still unclear to me - do I have to disable the APUs graphic unit of the 2400G when I add the GTX 1050 ti into the mix? The video I refered to in my first reply stated quite different.

When I add GPU performance with the APU to the GTX this will be my choice, since I dont have to change the GTX so quickly then. If I have to disable the APUs graphics to use the GTX that would be dumb. In that case the 1600X would be the choice to go right? Or should I wait untill Ryzen 2 comes around?

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

Ryzen 2 won't be out until next year most likely. However Zen + or Ryzen +, which is basically an improved version of the current Ryzen is supposed to launch around April. I think they are basically improving the existing Ryzens by trying to get higher clock speeds and better single core performance.

Also, if you are going to look at the 1600x, if you are someone who overclocks, you may consider the 1600 which almost the same chip, but clocked slower from the factory to save some money. All the Ryzen chips should have unlocked multipliers which should allow you to overclock a 1600 and get to about the same speeds of a 1600x.

 

[deryago]

The 1600 compared to the 1600X only looking at the price difference is 2$ atm. I would rather go for factory OC settings in that case. The 3200 RAM is supported by the 1600X and the 2400G right? Or is that only related to the Motherboard?

I would still like to hear the opinion from someone owning the 2400G paired with a GTX. If it enhances the GPU performance (PCIe lane split = true dual operations) I will choose the 2400G no matter what. Its cheaper and adds a year of fun to my 1050 ti. Anyone here with APU / GTX combined?

 

[ZRace]

1600X definitely boasts more CPU power than the 2400G, so at the same price, definitely go for the 1600X if you're getting a GTX 1050 Ti anyway.

There are no official Crossfire/SLI configurations for the APU's integrated graphics, so the only games that will be able to use the iGPU in combination with the GTX 1050 Ti are, as I mentioned, DirectX 12 games that feature DX12's game-side multi-GPU support.
All other games will just not use the iGPU at all, because they can't.

When fitting a PCIe GPU into a system with integrated graphics, most motherboards will automatically switch primary display output to the PCIe card and disable the integrated graphics. A few exceptions may require you to change that setting manually.

Max supported RAM speed depends on both CPU and motherboard. In general, the first-gen Ryzen series officially supports up to DDR4-2666, but most can boot with up to DDR4-3200. The 2400G, 2200G and future 2000-series Ryzen CPUs officially support up to DDR4-2933, and according to rumours you can even hit DDR4-3466 with them.
DDR4-3200 should therefore work on a 1600X too.

 

[deryago]

Hi ZRace,

i already have the GTX 1050 Ti in my current system.
Maybe a short info on my current system would have been helpful ...

Current System:
- ASrock 870 Extreme3 8 AM3
- AMD Phenom II X4 955 3200 AM3
- 16GB Corsair Vengeance schwarz DDR3-1600 DIMM CL9 Quad Kit
- SAMSUNG SSD 830 128GB
- Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1050 Ti G1

New System so far:
- ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming X AMD X370 So.AM4 Dual Channel DDR4 ATX Retail
- 8GB Corsair Vengeance LPX rot DDR4-3200 DIMM CL16 Dual Kit
- Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1050 Ti G1

Planned:
- 8GB Corsair Vengeance LPX rot DDR4-3200 DIMM CL16 Dual Kit
- AMD Ryzen 5 1600 6x 3.20GHz So.AM4 BOX
- 250GB Samsung 860 Evo 2.5" (6.4cm) SATA 6Gb/s

Is this a suitable solution? Please remember I am upgrading a 9 year old CPU. The R5 1600 seems a little more interesting since it has a boxed cooler. Same for the 2400G. Or should I go for an integrated water cooling solution and replace the stock cooling? Its not the worst stock cooling solution i have heard. Anyone got the 1600 paired with an GTX 1050 ti and can spare some thouhts?

Greetings

 

[ZRace]

The 1600 should be a great upgrade over the old Phenom II. The 1600 definitely won't bottleneck up to a GTX 1070-class card, so it should also last a good while.

You can keep the boxed cooler, most people achieve 3.7-3.8 GHz overclocks on it, it's really decent compared to anything from Intel and AMD (before the first Wraith cooler).
Watercooling Ryzen doesn't make much sense imo, they don't produce a lot of heat in general, even when overclocked. You can opt for a more beefy air cooler if you want max overclock + less noise. At stock the boxed cooler is plenty quiet tho 😉

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

The 1050ti will pair up just fine with the 1600. That's actually the setup I'm running now, with 8gb of ddr4 2400, I may upgrade when prices come back down though. But so far it runs everything I want. I have read it's getting to where you need 16gb of ram for a gaming system, but so far 8 is ok for, but as I said that will be my next upgrade I think.

I do have mine at 3.7ghz. I'm using a different cooler on it but I think the stock over could handle it. I'm one who remembers the old FX CPUs where 60 was the limit, so maybe I just like temps a little lower.

 

[deryago]

Thank you for your answers, I am going for the 1600 with stock cooling then. Maybe wait with the second RAM upgrade and go for the SSD first? The 830 come a long way but the speeds are outdated right? I currenty have the "Raijintek EreBoss Tower Cooler" should I get an AM4 kit for it or leave it with the old system?

 

[ohiou_grad_2006]

I can't say I've heard of the cooler you have, but leave it. You should get 3.7-3.8ghz on stock cooling if you overclock properly. Most of those chips don't like to overclock to 4ghz anyway, so you can end up spending money for about cooler and not get great results.

 

[madmatt30]

If you can get an am4 bracket for the ereboss by all means use it.

The ereboss is a beast of a cooler , & yes the stock wraith spire can maintain decent temps even at 3.8ghz but If I owned an ereboss I would personally do my best to re-purpose it on the ryzen build.

 

[deryago]

Thank you madmatt, I guess then I'll go for the Ryzen 1600 without cooling solution and re-use the EreBoss. You are right its a beast and it keeps my Phenom between 30°C and 50°C when the Ryzen CPUs dont get that hot in the first place temps should be even better. My Phenom was at 50-90°C before that cooler... I definitly can recommend that cooler. Black Edition looks great but that was a limited edition - I love it

Edit: Just sent the mail to Raijintek regarding the backplate. Since I have the Ereboss now I will get the 1600X tray version without cooling out of the box. The EreBoss Back Edition is not limited its called Core Edition and is pretty much the same except it come without the boxed fan and is a black beauty Fan will become "Corsair ML140Pro" with red leds and 400-2000 rpm.

Final new System
- ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming X AMD X370 So.AM4 Dual Channel DDR4 ATX Retail
- 16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX rot DDR4-3200 DIMM CL16 Dual Kit
- AMD Ryzen 5 1600X 6x 3.60GHz So.AM4 TRAY
- Raijintek EreBoss Core Edition
- Corsair ML140Pro red 400-2000 rpm Fan (CPU)
- 250GB Samsung 860 Evo 2.5" (6.4cm) SATA 6Gb/s
- Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1050 Ti G1

Thanks to everyone helping me get to this decision