Review AMD Ryzen 7 5800X Review: The Pricing Conundrum

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"AMD's suggested selling prices rarely manifest at retail, and continuing shortages have found Ryzen 5000 chips selling far over recommended pricing. History indicates that, given sufficient supply, AMD's processors typically retail for far less than the official price points. That makes it hard to predict how pricing will shake out over the next months as supply normalizes. "

Given current market conditions I would expect both AMD and Intel to be able to sell almost everything they make at the prices they want (plus some "obscene" profits for the retailers)

Intel has been able to sell everything they make for the last few years and made tons of money despite their 10nm problems and lack of enthusiast excitement for their incremental gains.

AMD is at parity or has a small lead in performance and can demand the same prices. They probably cannot easily increase production.

AMD's history of below MSRP prices is when they were second tier products in low demand. No reason to think that will be the case going forward on either the supply or the demand side. I don't think I would try waiting for an AMD 5800XT to drop below MSRP.

OTOH - Both AMD and Intel's mid-range chips should be the real competition for their high end products. Games are GPU bound and the mid-range offerings are more than adequate for even a high-end GPU if you can find one. This article clearly points to that sweet spot.
 

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The tests that put the 5800x PBO at the top of the list show why AMD feels like they can charge what they want for this chip.

Price may suck but it's more available then the rest of the fleet right now.
 

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The only problem here is the fact you can't acquire a 5000 series chip easily. Whereas, Intel chips are readily available and the I7-10700k is the most reasonable cpu at the moment unless your lucky enough to stumble upon an in stock AMD cpu. Hopefully production catches up with demand soon but it probably won't until March or April 2021.
 

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I'm not in a market for a CPU, my ZEN+ & ZEN2 family CPUs are enough. But if one can get AMD and NVIDIA to kick-start production again of their graphics cards. That would be great.
 

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"AGAINST
  • Price
  • No bundled cooler
  • No integrated graphics"
I don't think most buyers, at this level, are going to be bothered about points 2 and 3. I certainly wouldn't be.
 
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Everyone who's commenting negatively obviously doesnt own this chip. My single scores are insane. Hands down destroys anything in intels line up. PBO uses voltage I dont like but it maybe my mobo. Gigabyte x570 Aorus Master.. Hits 1.5volts so i disabled it and set all core 4.85ghz at 1.375volt... Shattered-Dreams #8 CpuZ validation at 5.05ghz. On cell so no link. Over 690 single core.


As for ram I can easily oc my ram 3600 gskill ripjaw 4x8gb to 4200 at 1.45v cl19. Ram oc is all in the motherboard.. And using realistic timings..
 

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The 5800x is Amd's perfect silicon, only next to the 16 core. The price is justified being way ahead of its time unlike the 5600x which is perfext for current and existing games
 

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With AMD constrained from TSMC, they need to get as much money as they can with the wafers they get. They will have no shortage of I/O dies as they are 12nm from Global Foundries, so it makes absolute business sense to get as much money right now as they can with the inputs they have available, which means that 5800X is going to be what they push out the doors until they have enough lower quality chiplets to boost production of 5600X and 5900X, respectively. I was able to get a 5800X from the Overland Park, KS MicroCenter at MSRP, and it has been a night and day difference in responsiveness on everything over the 3600X it replaced, which wasn't particularly slothful. I don't feel shortchanged at all, quite frankly. I hope AMD can pull as much market share as possible from Intel these next few quarters, because that's what it will take to move both companies to better execution, to the benefit of us all.
 

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I get the argument on paper that the 5800x is overpriced, but that argument has been strictly an intellectual one to date. I also don't doubt that once supply finally outpaces demand, the street price will adjust accordingly. Regardless, bring on the 5700x for my SFF upgrade!
 
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So basically it's a CPU that can sometimes rival even the 9 5950/00 for much less and still deliver performance just as good/better than 5 5600 while having more future potential? But it's still seen as "okay-ish"?
 

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Woh, I actually have spotted a couple of unicorns this morning at the Overland Park, KS MicroCenter. A 5600X at MSRP, and for the first time, a 5950X at MSRP. Probably won't last more than an hour after store opening, though.
 
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And of course all of this chatter is academic, as a many folks are still waiting to get their hands on a 5000 series CPU. Myself included. I can't wait to see the gains from my old 1800X to the new 5900X
 

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And of course all of this chatter is academic, as a many folks are still waiting to get their hands on a 5000 series CPU. Myself included. I can't wait to see the gains from my old 1800X to the new 5900X
Looks this morning like MicroCenters are getting more 5600X in stock and 5950X to go along with the more common 5800X. The CA MicroCenter has lots of 5600X and 5950X this morning, and Yonkers, NY has a few of all except for the 5900X. The Ryzen 7's (except the 5800X) will all likely be in fairly short supply for a while until TSMC can provide more wafers for the chiplets.
 
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Looks this morning like MicroCenters are getting more 5600X in stock and 5950X to go along with the more common 5800X. The CA MicroCenter has lots of 5600X and 5950X this morning, and Yonkers, NY has a few of all except for the 5900X. The Ryzen 7's (except the 5800X) will all likely be in fairly short supply for a while until TSMC can provide more wafers for the chiplets.
Yup. And my little corner of New England is gonna be 2023 I'm thinking before any of it will make it this far northeast. LOL.

Happy to see supply starting to settle out though.... screw you scalpers. LOL. I hope a mess of them are stuck with thousands of dollars in chips they can't sell.
 

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For the first time ever, the Madison Heights, MI MicroCenter actually has all 4 Vermeer SKUs in stock. They are the only store other than Houston, TX to have more than 2 SKUs in stock, but I'd have to say this is a milestone of availability now.
 

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Is there any news about whats happening with AMD and if they will bring out a 5700x ? After the keynote it sounds like the 2 skus mentioned before may be the 5800 and 5900 non X varient. Could the non x 5800 be our relabled 5700x but AMD opted for this name due to the 5709xt name being a gpu? Anyone have info?
 

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The 5800 is pretty much OEM only, so no news about anything released into the channel. Fortunately, looks like they are starting to catch up a little on producing 5600X and especially 5800X as most of the MicroCenters tonight have 25+ of the 5800X and quite a few actually have 5600X.
 
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Just about 2 and a half months since this article was written (and about 3 since Ryzen 5000 dropped)... I still can't find a 5900X. LOL.
 

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Mayfield Heights and Sharonville, OH Microcenters have 25+ in stock of all 4 Vermeer CPUs. First time I've seen that yet. All Microcenters except Fairfax, VA seem to be well stocked with 5600X at 25+.
 

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