News AMD Ryzen 9 3950X Hits 4.3 GHz On All 16 Cores With AIO Cooler

[Admin]

Gigabyte manages to push a Ryzen 9 3950X to 4.3 GHz on all its cores using AIO liquid cooling...at a mere 1.4 vCore.

AMD Ryzen 9 3950X Hits 4.3 GHz On All 16 Cores With AIO Cooler : Read more

 

[King_V]

In terms of thermals, Gigabyte noted that the Ryzen 9 3950X's operating temperatures are right in the same ballpark as last year's Ryzen 7 2700X.

That's pretty remarkable, so we'll say it again: According to Gigabyte, the 16-core Ryzen 9 3950X is as easy to cool as an 8-core part.

That's the part that made me raise my eyebrows. Pretty impressive.

 

[joeblowsmynose]

Dang ... 200mghz all core OC over what the 3900 can achieve ... I wish AMD had more "top quality" chiplets though and spread them a little better amongst the lower core count parts. I mean as you add cores, you don't really need to also add mhz, which I find odd, but I do understand how since Intel's propaganda (and Nvidia's) has pushed the idea of how important it is to own the "flagship" product to impress the masses - AMD is trying to beat them at their own games. I get that. But I just wish we had 4.7 single core boost on the 8 cores as well, not just the 3950x.

Poor Intel HEDT ... I hope them cutting prices by 54% was enough ... 😉

 

[Gurg]

All you need is $750 for the CPU and $400-450++++ for a "beefy P360 cooler kit." Guess that is cheaper and more practical than using liquid nitrogen like TH did in a recent article trying to get AMD cpus to stated boost. Maybe this also explains why AMD will offer the 3950x without the $43 Wraith Prism cooler.

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ryzen-3000-liquid-nitrogen-boost-clock,6359.html
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-9-3950x-without-stock-cooler,40500.html

 

[kinggremlin]

Poor Intel HEDT ... I hope them cutting prices by 54% was enough ... 😉

Based on Skylake X overclocking, with the same cooler used in these tests, we should expect Cascade Lake X to OC on all cores in the 4.8-5Ghz range up to at least the 14 core. With those clock speeds, even the 10 core 10900x will be faster for pretty much any desktop user than the 3950x at 4.3 Ghz. There is very, very little software or situations that home users, even enthusiasts, encounter that would benefit more going from 8 cores to 16 cores than from higher per core performance. If you want to win multithreaded benchmark competitions like Cinebench, sure go for the 3950x. If you want to actually have a faster computer for every day use, a higher clock lower core count is the way to go.

 

[nirmal019]

When you were planning to buy Aorus Liquid cooler and realize Gigabyte did not use their own liquid cooler 🤔

 

[mdd1963]

temps 'similar to those of the 2700X' is really not quite the same thing as saying 'as easy to cool as the 2700X'...(unless testing them with the same cooling solution)

 

[escksu]

Its not really easy to cool if you are overclocking. 4.3GHz @ 1.4V....... the power consumption will be well over 200W when all 16 cores are loaded. Running IBT or AVX could be 300W or more.

 

[dcapo25]

Gigabyte manages to push a Ryzen 9 3950X to 4.3 GHz on all its cores using AIO liquid cooling...at a mere 1.4 vCore.

AMD Ryzen 9 3950X Hits 4.3 GHz On All 16 Cores With AIO Cooler : Read more

 

[dcapo25]

What type of package utilized on the Ryzen 9 3950X? Curious to know the heatspreader lid material? thanks -

Does AMD use AMKOR?

 

[vMax]

Is the EK-P360 water cooling kit really an AIO? Seems like a starter custom water cooling kit and not what I would call an AIO especially at near $400!!! ...though I could be wrong...

 

[InvalidError]

I mean as you add cores, you don't really need to also add mhz, which I find odd

Nothing that odd about it. Despite the core count escalation across the board since Zen's launch, there is still a ton of software out there that heavily depends on single-core performance. If AMD does not want to get steamrolled in those, it needs to maintain an optimal balance between clocks and IPC regardless of core count.

 

[kinggremlin]

Is the EK-P360 water cooling kit really an AIO? Seems like a starter custom water cooling kit and not what I would call an AIO especially at near $400!!! ...though I could be wrong...

No, you're absolutely right. I bought one of these kits with a different radiator size and it is definitely a custom water kit which comes with all the parts you need in a single box for a basic loop. It's not an AIO by any definition.

 

[kinggremlin]

When you were planning to buy Aorus Liquid cooler and realize Gigabyte did not use their own liquid cooler 🤔

Stick to your plan. The EK-P360 used by Gigabyte is not an AIO liquid cooler. The Aorus cooler should be well under half the cost and far easier to install with zero maintenance.

 

[sstanic]

When you were planning to buy Aorus Liquid cooler and realize Gigabyte did not use their own liquid cooler 🤔

My thoughts exactly..

 

[dcapo25]

Might use an Al-SiC lid for best performance/reliability

 

[joeblowsmynose]

Nothing that odd about it. Despite the core count escalation across the board since Zen's launch, there is still a ton of software out there that heavily depends on single-core performance. If AMD does not want to get steamrolled in those, it needs to maintain an optimal balance between clocks and IPC regardless of core count.

Since that has never been seen ever before Ryzen came out -- its a bit odd. You don't see Intel 18 core, or any of their HEDT boosting to 5ghz.

Why save ALL your single core performance for only the most expensive chip, was my question ... If the 3700X had the same single core chops as the 3900X or 3950x, AMD would steal all the customers on the fence between a 3700x and 9700k, and probably all those on the 9900k fence as well.

 

[joeblowsmynose]

Based on Skylake X overclocking, with the same cooler used in these tests, we should expect Cascade Lake X to OC on all cores in the 4.8-5Ghz range up to at least the 14 core. With those clock speeds, even the 10 core 10900x will be faster for pretty much any desktop user than the 3950x at 4.3 Ghz. There is very, very little software or situations that home users, even enthusiasts, encounter that would benefit more going from 8 cores to 16 cores than from higher per core performance. If you want to win multithreaded benchmark competitions like Cinebench, sure go for the 3950x. If you want to actually have a faster computer for every day use, a higher clock lower core count is the way to go.

Intel only has 10 cores because that's all anyone needs for HEDT
Intel only has 18 cores because that's all anyone needs in HEDT

Reminds me of ... "Intel only has 4 cores for desktop because that's all anyone ever needs." AMD proved them wrong there ... you don't remember? Your not still rocking a lowly quad are you? There were plenty "good enough" Intel told everyone until AMD offered 6 and 8, but then suddenly, they weren't any good anymore. (Intel actually tried to launch a 4 core in HEDT, remember that? Miserable failure, because letting Intel dictate how many cores you need is about them sucking money out of people, not about giving them what they actually want or need).

Whatever you want to believe to justify why Intel is getting crushed in the HEDT market. If no one cared, the 3900x wouldn't be in so high demand, the 3950X would never exist because no one would buy it, and Threadripper would have been a dismal failure, but it wasn't, it was a huge success. Let's get real here. But please do enjoy your 54% HEDT discount, that Intel only did out of the goodness of their heart, because no one needs AMD 12 or 16 core desktop or any Thread ripper. 🤣

So I'm pretty sure that your only speaking for Intel fans that have no choice but to cheer low core count parts. Speak for yourself.

 

[kinggremlin]

Intel only has 10 cores because that's all anyone needs for HEDT
Intel only has 18 cores because that's all anyone needs in HEDT

No one has made either statement. You're just making stuff up. I challenge you to link to one person that has said "18 cores is all you need." Of all the stupid things said on the internet, that isn't one of them. Prove me wrong.

Reminds me of ... "Intel only has 4 cores for desktop because that's all anyone ever needs." AMD proved them wrong there ... you don't remember? Your not still rocking a lowly quad are you? There were plenty "good enough" Intel told everyone until AMD offered 6 and 8, but then suddenly, they weren't any good anymore. (Intel actually tried to launch a 4 core in HEDT, remember that? Miserable failure, because letting Intel dictate how many cores you need is about them sucking money out of people, not about giving them what they actually want or need).

I would bet everything I own that if you gave random PC users two identical systems, one with a smt/ht quad core and one with an smt/ht octa core and told them to use each like they normally do, that at least 9 out of 10 would not be able to tell which was which. That's not arguing that an 8 core won't be faster, that's arguing that facebook and instagram don't benefit from more than 4 cores. Are you going to argue otherwise? When any of my friends and coworkers ask about pc upgrades, the first thing I tell them is to replace their hard drive with an ssd. That will exponentially give them a better experience than replacing their quad core with an 8 core. Then upgrade ram. If gaming, upgrade video. Upgrade beyond 4 cores is way down the list.

Whatever you want to believe to justify why Intel is getting crushed in the HEDT market. If no one cared, the 3900x wouldn't be in so high demand, the 3950X would never exist because no one would buy it, and Threadripper would have been a dismal failure, but it wasn't, it was a huge success. Let's get real here. But please do enjoy your 54% HEDT discount, that Intel only did out of the goodness of their heart, because no one needs AMD 12 or 16 core desktop or any Thread ripper. 🤣

New Retail Data Shows AMD CPUs Outselling Intel 2:1

More than a year's worth of sales data, Oct 17 to Nov 18:

"But despite what you might expect given its performance, Threadripper is a virtual non-presence in these charts. Reviewers have generally praised the chip and AMD’s pricing, but that hasn’t translated to sales."

Care to elaborate how Threadripper was such a huge success? Again, you just making things up with zero data to actually back up the statement. HEDT platforms sales account for less than 1% of volume for both Intel and AMD. Which is why Intel can cut prices by 54%. HEDT accounts for such a small percentage of sales vs mainstream, mobile and enterprise that it will have little affect on their bottom line directly. The problem is when these prices start leaking into their higher volume market segments.

 

[jimmysmitty]

Dang ... 200mghz all core OC over what the 3900 can achieve ... I wish AMD had more "top quality" chiplets though and spread them a little better amongst the lower core count parts. I mean as you add cores, you don't really need to also add mhz, which I find odd, but I do understand how since Intel's propaganda (and Nvidia's) has pushed the idea of how important it is to own the "flagship" product to impress the masses - AMD is trying to beat them at their own games. I get that. But I just wish we had 4.7 single core boost on the 8 cores as well, not just the 3950x.

Poor Intel HEDT ... I hope them cutting prices by 54% was enough ... 😉

I don't think Intel has to worry much. HEDT has more than just cores to it, especially now that Intel will be pushing Optane DIMMs to their workstation class designs, something AMD has yet to match.

Besides, would AMD really want a HEDT user to buy mainstream products? Less margins for sure. Plus as said less features such as memory channels and PCIe lanes.

This CPU is going to be for the more hard core AMD fans more than anything, especially considering the price and that you will probably have to have decent AiO, custom water or the best air cooler possible.

temps 'similar to those of the 2700X' is really not quite the same thing as saying 'as easy to cool as the 2700X'...(unless testing them with the same cooling solution)

My thoughts exactly. Are we talking same cooler giving same temps or with this $400 dollar water cooler the 3950X runs the same? Too many variables not disclosed.

Can't wait to see what TH gets with it.

 

[joeblowsmynose]

No one has made either statement. You're just making stuff up. I challenge you to link to one person that has said "18 cores is all you need." Of all the stupid things said on the internet, that isn't one of them. Prove me wrong.

Well his guy I quoted here below was claiming that no one, not even enthusiasts, really need more than eight ... 😛

... There is very, very little software or situations that home users, even enthusiasts, encounter that would benefit more going from 8 cores ...

 

[joeblowsmynose]

...
New Retail Data Shows AMD CPUs Outselling Intel 2:1
More than a year's worth of sales data, Oct 17 to Nov 18:

"But despite what you might expect given its performance, Threadripper is a virtual non-presence in these charts. Reviewers have generally praised the chip and AMD’s pricing, but that hasn’t translated to sales."

Care to elaborate how Threadripper was such a huge success?

Sure.

TR is HEDT. So according to those charts, TR owns near 100% of the HEDT market for that major e-tailer since no Intel HEDT parts even made it to the chart at all (assuming there was too little to even plot individually - likely grouped in with "others")

So near 100% of HEDT sales (according to the numbers you are pointing out to me) is pretty good, but maybe one day they will improve that to 110%, then perhaps it will be a success. 😛

 

[jimmysmitty]

Sure.

TR is HEDT. So according to those charts, TR owns near 100% of the HEDT market for that major e-tailer since no Intel HEDT parts even made it to the chart at all (assuming there was too little to even plot individually - likely grouped in with "others")

So near 100% of HEDT sales (according to the numbers you are pointing out to me) is pretty good, but maybe one day they will improve that to 110%, then perhaps it will be a success. 😛

One eTailer in a country that has ties to the manufacture (AMDs last standing FAB was in Dresden) is not a good way to judge market share.

Its why I don't even understand TH reporting on it. Mindfactory has always had higher AMD sales than the vast majority of eTailers. Even when all AMD had was the FX series which was in no way competitive against Intel.

 

[joeblowsmynose]

One eTailer in a country that has ties to the manufacture (AMDs last standing FAB was in Dresden) is not a good way to judge market share.
...

Agree -- It was someone else that was claiming that that data made a point about something ... I would never use "Mindfactory" as a final resource on anything, except their own sales.

I was just pointing out the flawed logic in his post about the data presented; if that's the data he wants to use, so be it, I'll bite and make my point all about apples to apples, using the very data he presented.

You can't compare HEDT to mainstream desktop - that was my point there if you read between the lines a little bit. TR was very successful -- if it was not we wouldn't be getting round 3 and Intel wouldn't be launching their new line at a 54% discount over last lineup. I don't even know how anyone would argue that.

Since Germany used to have an AMD fab, when Ryzen launched, everyone over there got nostalgic and switched to AMD. I am very aware of that -- you missed the point of what I was saying.

 

[kinggremlin]

Well his guy I quoted here below was claiming that no one, not even enthusiasts, really need more than eight ... 😛

There are few bigger wastes of time than arguing semantics with a non-native English speaker on the internet. What you quoted from me does not mean no one needs more than 18 cores. Continue arguing with yourself on this one.