AMD Ryzen build

[Insomniac Jack]

Edit 2: I did forget to mention my budget for this build which had a max ceiling of $1700. All parts have arrived minus the 1700x and the x370 pro mobo. I'll mainly be using this build for gaming and recording for you tube. I'll be buying an SSD in 1 to months as that's on the top of my upgrade list and my birthday is coming up soon and I've asked for gift cards to help with that purchase.

Edit: Ok given all the advice and my reading. The G1 PSU got here before I could cancel. I'm going to go ahead and order the G3 and have it arrive hopefully the same day my MOBO and CPU get here. I've also changed to the ASUS Prime x370 pro board. I wasn't planning on O.C. at the start but the more I read and with the parts I've ordered if I'm going I'm going to go all the way. I'll get by with what I can for now on the H60 cooler. In the future I may upgrade that.

After seeing preliminary results of the new AMD Ryzen chips, I've decided to put together a build and am hovering over that order button on Amazon. I'd just like to know what you guys thing of the current build/parts I picked. I'm building a power PC to last me a good 5 to 6 years. I skimped on the SSD mainly because I don't mind load times too much. Here's what I have so far:

Fenvi Desktop PC Dual Band Wireless WIFI PCI Express PCI-E Adapter Card 2.4Ghz-300Mbps/5Ghz-867Mbps with Bluetooth 4.0 by Fenvi

ARCTIC MX-4 Thermal Compound Paste, Carbon Based High Performance, Heatsink Paste, Thermal Compound CPU for All Coolers, Thermal Interface Material - 4 Grams by ARCTIC

Corsair Hydro Series High Performance Liquid CPU Cooler H60 by Corsair

Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3000MHz C15 Desktop Memory Kit - Black (CMK16GX4M2B3000C15) by Corsair

Toshiba X300 5TB Desktop 3.5 Inch SATA 6Gb/s 7200rpm Internal Hard Drive by Toshiba

Rosewill ATX 12V 750-Watt 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Power Supply Hive-750 by Rosewill
(Thanks to the advise I changed this to a EVGA SUPERNOVA G1 650W PSU)

ASUS Prime B350-Plus AMD Ryzen AM4 DDR4 HDMI DVI VGA M.2 USB 3.1 ATX B350 Motherboard by Asus

AMD YD170XBCAEWOF Ryzen 7 1700X Processor by AMD

Asus 24x DVD-RW Serial-ATA Internal OEM Optical Drive DRW-24B1ST (Black) by Asus

Rosewill Gaming ATX Full Tower Computer Case with Window NIGHTHAWK 117 by Rosewill

ZOTAC GeForce GTX 1080 AMP! Edition, ZT-P10800C-10P, 8GB GDDR5X IceStorm Cooling, Metal Wraparound Carbon ExoArmor exterior, Ultra-wide 100mm Fans, Spectra Lighting, PowerBoost, FREEZE fan stop by ZOTAC

I copied and pasted from Amazon to give greater detail. I did go cheap on the PSU and I don't need the extra features of the x370 chipset so I went with the B350. What do you guys think?

 

[Dark Lord of Tech]

Last thing to go cheap on should be the PSU , it's the heart of your system and helps protect your components.

 

[lakimens]

You shouldn't go cheap on the PSU. Get yourself a G3 for the price of a Rosewill Hive. Much better.
I don't think overclocking will be the same with B350 and X370.

 

[Insomniac Jack]

You shouldn't go cheap on the PSU. Get yourself a G3 for the price of a Rosewill Hive. Much better.
I don't think overclocking will be the same with B350 and X370.

You guys definitely have a point on the PSU. I'll change that up. I don't plan on overclocking too much right away. Maybe in a few years when I'll really need it. I'm sure the OC options will be slightly less with the B350 but AMD chips are designed for OC so hopefully it'll offer some decent options.

 

[BaRoMeTrIc]

Go with an x370 mobo if you want clock speeds over 4ghz clockspeeds are important for gaming

 

[g-unit1111]

The thermal compound is a waste of money if you're buying any decent CPU cooler. I would drop the H60 in favor of a strong air cooler like a D14 or a Cryorig R1.

If your budget allows I would also cut back on the HDD and add in a good SSD like a Crucial M550 or a Samsung 960 Evo.

What is your max budget?

 

[Insomniac Jack]

For now I want storage space and not speed because I do a lot of videos and editing. I'm going to get a decent SSD in about 4 to 6 months when I have the money to buy one with around 500GB of storage. I'd like plenty of space to store games on the SSD so I don't have to keep moving them back and forth between drives. I probably should close this thread though as I already have all of the parts minus the CPU and MOBO which I'll have in 3 days.

 

[Insomniac Jack]

Go with an x370 mobo if you want clock speeds over 4ghz clockspeeds are important for gaming

I realize it's all guess work at this point but just as a guess how high do you think these can be pushed?

 

[g-unit1111]

For now I want storage space and not speed because I do a lot of videos and editing. I'm going to get a decent SSD in about 4 to 6 months when I have the money to buy one with around 500GB of storage. I'd like plenty of space to store games on the SSD so I don't have to keep moving them back and forth between drives. I probably should close this thread though as I already have all of the parts minus the CPU and MOBO which I'll have in 3 days.

The thing about hard drives is you can always add more as you need them. The downside of using a mechanical HD as your primary storage drive is that they are painfully slow and they will be a bottleneck in your system. You're much better off going with the HD / SSD solution and then adding a drive or two as you need them. But the thermal compound is a waste of money, I will say that.

 

[Insomniac Jack]

For now I want storage space and not speed because I do a lot of videos and editing. I'm going to get a decent SSD in about 4 to 6 months when I have the money to buy one with around 500GB of storage. I'd like plenty of space to store games on the SSD so I don't have to keep moving them back and forth between drives. I probably should close this thread though as I already have all of the parts minus the CPU and MOBO which I'll have in 3 days.

The thing about hard drives is you can always add more as you need them. The downside of using a mechanical HD as your primary storage drive is that they are painfully slow and they will be a bottleneck in your system. You're much better off going with the HD / SSD solution and then adding a drive or two as you need them. But the thermal compound is a waste of money, I will say that.

I pretty much just blew my budget by upgrading to this board. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06X416NJ1?ref=emc_b_5_t I couldn't really afford a mechanical and an SSD at the same time so I went with a huge drive.
My birthday is coming up and I did ask for amazon gift cards so I'm hoping I get enough money to knock a good chunk off of the price of an SSD. It's just not a must have for me at the moment but it's at the top of the list for upgrades when I get some more spare cash. On the SSD note, what interface is better M.2, Sata, or PCI E? You are 100% correct about the thermal compound. I didn't realize the H60 had a pre-applied square on it so I wasted 6 bucks.

 

[g-unit1111]

I pretty much just blew my budget by upgrading to this board. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06X416NJ1?ref=emc_b_5_t I couldn't really afford a mechanical and an SSD at the same time so I went with a huge drive.
My birthday is coming up and I did ask for amazon gift cards so I'm hoping I get enough money to knock a good chunk off of the price of an SSD. It's just not a must have for me at the moment but it's at the top of the list for upgrades when I get some more spare cash. On the SSD note, what interface is better M.2, Sata, or PCI E? You are 100% correct about the thermal compound. I didn't realize the H60 had a pre-applied square on it so I wasted 6 bucks.

If you can afford an M2 I would definitely go that route. They're getting cheaper, better and faster than they were last year and with increased storage capacities. The Crucial MX500 and the Samsung 960 Evo are widely regarded as the best. I have a 950 Pro and it's crazy how fast this thing is. The only downside to an M2 drive is that it would take up the SATA-0 port which could throw off your HD configuration.

 

[Insomniac Jack]

I pretty much just blew my budget by upgrading to this board. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06X416NJ1?ref=emc_b_5_t I couldn't really afford a mechanical and an SSD at the same time so I went with a huge drive.
My birthday is coming up and I did ask for amazon gift cards so I'm hoping I get enough money to knock a good chunk off of the price of an SSD. It's just not a must have for me at the moment but it's at the top of the list for upgrades when I get some more spare cash. On the SSD note, what interface is better M.2, Sata, or PCI E? You are 100% correct about the thermal compound. I didn't realize the H60 had a pre-applied square on it so I wasted 6 bucks.

If you can afford an M2 I would definitely go that route. They're getting cheaper, better and faster than they were last year and with increased storage capacities. The Crucial MX500 and the Samsung 960 Evo are widely regarded as the best. I have a 950 Pro and it's crazy how fast this thing is. The only downside to an M2 drive is that it would take up the SATA-0 port which could throw off your HD configuration.

Yeah I was looking at the M2 and their speeds and it's mind blowing. Good to know about the SATA-0 port. Had you not told me that could have cost me some troubleshooting time in the future.

 

[g-unit1111]

Yeah I was looking at the M2 and their speeds and it's mind blowing. Good to know about the SATA-0 port. Had you not told me that could have cost me some troubleshooting time in the future.

Some motherboards have weird SATA port configurations. My Gigabyte board has a 4 and 2 SATA port connection plus the M2 slot. Where you can run into trouble is when you start hooking up multiple drives. If you just have one or two it won't be a big deal as long as you don't use the SATA-0 port. If you're hooking up more than that, the worst that would happen is that the BIOS won't recognize the connected drives.

 

[Insomniac Jack]

Yeah I was looking at the M2 and their speeds and it's mind blowing. Good to know about the SATA-0 port. Had you not told me that could have cost me some troubleshooting time in the future.

Some motherboards have weird SATA port configurations. My Gigabyte board has a 4 and 2 SATA port connection plus the M2 slot. Where you can run into trouble is when you start hooking up multiple drives. If you just have one or two it won't be a big deal as long as you don't use the SATA-0 port. If you're hooking up more than that, the worst that would happen is that the BIOS won't recognize the connected drives.

I'm not sure if I read it correctly or not but I think the ASUS boards use the SATA 5-6 ports for that purpose but I could be wrong. I'll definitely dig deeper if I decide to go the M2 route.

 

[bambiboom]

Insomniac Jack,

Ryzen does have some very attractive qualities, but unless your current system is unable to get any work out, there are some reasons to let the dust settle a bit. There are only two systems using Ryzen 7 (1700) on Passmark Performance Test results, so it's too few to rely on absolutely, but both results create concern. The Passmark CPU scores are 13263 and 15945 and the single-thread is quoted as 2129. The single-thread performance is not nearly what I'd hoped, as my current HP z420's, E5-1660 v2 makes 2077 so 2128 is only a 2.5% improvement. The grand prize winner- the i7-7700K- works out to be 2599. Going from 2077 to 2149 and from the E5-1660 v3 CPU Mark of 14046 to 14604 - the average of the two 1700X scores- is not something to camp out in a line overnight for. Adding the two cores at the price is attractive, but the net result - somewhat faster CPU renderings that only take 3 minutes now is not worth a $2,500+ investment.

Of greater concern, I noticed that marks for the Ryzen 1700X memory parameter were quite low- 1617 (8GB) and 1855 (16GB). I read an article yesterday mentioning a compatibility problem with the Ryzen 7's with faster speeds. The article suggests that for now, use 2133 and 2400 speed and in "1-2" months, AMD will "fix" the BIOS. The Ryzen 7's are extremely promising, but new technology will always need a bit of "fixing" and plus, the range of motherboards and CPU coolers etc. will increase quickly - AMD have already sold a pile of the processors.

Again, two samples is too few to make any grand proclamations, but the low scores and RAM compatibility fuss is enough to inspire caution.

You didn't mention the use for this system- or perhaps I'm missing it, but keep in mind that Ryzen 5, 6-core and Ryzen 3, 4-cores will be out before Summer and if you don't need an 8-core, those certainly will have better single-thread rates.

Ryzen is a welcome and important, market- upsetter, but I'm waiting at least two months.

One other thing, you parts list system likely to use around 400W, and adding a second GPU- which may end up running both at x8 is inefficient. The GTX 1080Ti is just about here and if it's a gaming system, you might consider having a Ryzen 4-core and GTX 1080 Ti- probably the No.1 fastest, and 600W PSU.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

PS: My first run at a Ryzen System:

High Performance Workstation_Ryzen 7 1800X_2.25.17

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1800X 3.6 / 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($499.99 @ B&H)

Motherboard: Asus PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard ($162.98 @ Newegg)

CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S SE-AM4 ($64.95 Newegg)

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 64GB (4 x 16GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($459.99 @ Newegg)

Video Card: Quadro P2000 5GB > about $480

Drive 1: Storage:Samsung 960 Evo 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State ($249.99 @ B&H)

Drive 2: Crucial MX300 1.1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($262.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Optical Drive: ASUS ZenDrive GP65NB60/BLK/G/AS USB External CD/DVD ($29.99 @ Newegg)

Power Supply: SeaSonic PRIME Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($114.90 @ SuperBiiz)

Case: Thermaltake Suppressor F51 ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ SuperBiiz) ]

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Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($128.31 @ OutletPC)

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Total: about $2,570 with Quadro P2000

Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-25 11:07 EST-0500

 

[Insomniac Jack]

Insomniac Jack,

Ryzen does have some very attractive qualities, but unless your current system is unable to get any work out, there are some reasons to let the dust settle a bit. There are only two systems using Ryzen 7 (1700) on Passmark Performance Test results, so it's too few to rely on absolutely, but both results create concern. The Passmark CPU scores are 13263 and 15945 and the single-thread is quoted as 2129. The single-thread performance is not nearly what I'd hoped, as my current HP z420's, E5-1660 v2 makes 2077 so 2128 is only a 2.5% improvement. The grand prize winner- the i7-7700K- works out to be 2599. Going from 2077 to 2149 and from the E5-1660 v3 CPU Mark of 14046 to 14604 - the average of the two 1700X scores- is not something to camp out in a line overnight for. Adding the two cores at the price is attractive, but the net result - somewhat faster CPU renderings that only take 3 minutes now is not worth a $2,500+ investment.

Of greater concern, I noticed that marks for the Ryzen 1700X memory parameter were quite low- 1617 (8GB) and 1855 (16GB). I read an article yesterday mentioning a compatibility problem with the Ryzen 7's with faster speeds. The article suggests that for now, use 2133 and 2400 speed and in "1-2" months, AMD will "fix" the BIOS. The Ryzen 7's are extremely promising, but new technology will always need a bit of "fixing" and plus, the range of motherboards and CPU coolers etc. will increase quickly - AMD have already sold a pile of the processors.

Again, two samples is too few to make any grand proclamations, but the low scores and RAM compatibility fuss is enough to inspire caution.

You didn't mention the use for this system- or perhaps I'm missing it, but keep in mind that Ryzen 5, 6-core and Ryzen 3, 4-cores will be out before Summer and if you don't need an 8-core, those certainly will have better single-thread rates.

Ryzen is a welcome and important, market- upsetter, but I'm waiting at least two months.

One other thing, you parts list system likely to use around 400W, and adding a second GPU- which may end up running both at x8 is inefficient. The GTX 1080Ti is just about here and if it's a gaming system, you might consider having a Ryzen 4-core and GTX 1080 Ti- probably the No.1 fastest, and 600W PSU.

Cheers,

BambiBoom

PS: My first run at a Ryzen System:

High Performance Workstation_Ryzen 7 1800X_2.25.17

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1800X 3.6 / 4.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($499.99 @ B&H)

Motherboard: Asus PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard ($162.98 @ Newegg)

CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S SE-AM4 ($64.95 Newegg)

Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 64GB (4 x 16GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($459.99 @ Newegg)

Video Card: Quadro P2000 5GB > about $480

Drive 1: Storage:Samsung 960 Evo 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State ($249.99 @ B&H)

Drive 2: Crucial MX300 1.1TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($262.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Optical Drive: ASUS ZenDrive GP65NB60/BLK/G/AS USB External CD/DVD ($29.99 @ Newegg)

Power Supply: SeaSonic PRIME Gold 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($114.90 @ SuperBiiz)

Case: Thermaltake Suppressor F51 ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ SuperBiiz) ]

________________

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($128.31 @ OutletPC)

______________________________________________

Total: about $2,570 with Quadro P2000

Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-25 11:07 EST-0500

Hey thanks for the reply. Of all that typing I did I forgot to mention my budget ceiling is $1700. I'll also update it to state that all parts minus the MOBO, CPU have arrived and are eagerly awaiting their arrival. I haven't read the latest scores but I did read about the memory issues which I'm not too concerned with at the moment. I went into this with the full expectation that there'd be a few hiccups along the way. I was specifically waiting on Ryzen for this new build because while Intel can't be matched in performance they also have been taking advantage of that fact with ridiculous pricing. So really I want to support the competitive market. I mainly want to do this build for gaming and to somewhat futureproof myself (I know there's no such thing) for 1080p gaming for at the very least 4 to 5 years. I may get a 1440P monitor eventually once I can afford it much like the SSD. My current rig is a pretty low end system with a AMD FX-6300, GTX 960 and 8GB of RAM. Sure I can upgrade that rig some and get decent performance but like I said I want a higher end system for the next few years. As far as the 1080 Ti is concerned, I wanted to cry a bit when I paid for the 1080 lol I don't really intend on doing a ton of 4k gaming so I think I can skip in the Ti version.

 

[g-unit1111]

I'm not sure if I read it correctly or not but I think the ASUS boards use the SATA 5-6 ports for that purpose but I could be wrong. I'll definitely dig deeper if I decide to go the M2 route.

Yeah it's unique to each motherboard. My Gigabyte Z170 board has a weird 4 x 2 SATA port configuration, and if you have an M2 drive operating, then the SATA-0 port becomes useless and it will not recognize anything that's hooked up to SATA-0 or SATA-3 as they're on the same port. It's fine when the drives I have are hooked up to SATA-2, 4, 5, and 6. That's just one board though. Every board is different in that area.