AMD setup - longevity? upgrade ability?

WojtekG

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APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: sooner than later, however may wait for 8 series amd boards BUDGET RANGE: 800-1000

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: gaming, movies, work bullshit

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, monitor

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.ca or anything that works. COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: CANADIA


OVERCLOCKING: Y Maybe CROSSFIRE: Maybe

MONITOR RESOLUTION: (1680x1050)

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Build for upgrade ability - and performance (doing crossfire later - 16x16 needed?)


I'm going to present two builds - I need to know if its worth upgrading the mobo for longevity, throwing in a second graphics card down the road.

First build(cheaper):


GIGABYTE GA-770TA-UD3 AM3 AMD 770 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128419

AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor Model HDX945FBGIBOX
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103675

SAPPHIRE 100283-2L Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102864

Crucial 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model CT2KIT25664BA1339
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148262

Antec BP550 Plus 550W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.2 Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371016

Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3500418AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148395

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Second build(a bit more expensive - but what I have in mind is for future upgrades):

ASUS Crosshair III Formula AM3 AMD 790FX ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131392 (For the 2 16x16 pcie slots, is the price worth it? or should i downgrade to one 16 or two 8x8 (keeping in mind the future and technology)

AMD Phenom II X4 945 Deneb 3.0GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor Model HDX945FBGIBOX
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103675

OCZ StealthXStream OCZ700SXS 700W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341019 (to support the SLI in the future)

OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ3P16004GK
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227297 (does it even fit? work well? bios unlock to 1600 with the mobo)

rest the same

SAPPHIRE 100283-2L Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102864 (I want to buy a second one in the future - chose this card because of the Shader technology and dx11 support... again longevity)

Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3500418AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148395




Or should i scrap everything and go for an i5? Its all so confusing... but I basically widdled it down over the weeks to these two options..

Basically...is it worth the money for the second build, for longevity? or is my logic flawed (sli'ing two 5770's down the road)

Thanks for any input.

Cheers

(edit:messed up url's)

 

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Don't confuse longevity and "upgrade-ability". The Gigabyte GA-770TA-UD3 supports USB 3.0 and SATA III, while the Asus does not. To me, the Gigabyte offers greater longevity. In your case, however, since you will be CrossFiring 5770s (not "sli'ing" btw, SLI is Nvidia technology), the Asus offers better upgrade-ability and is the better choice. The first build is not an option if you want to CF 5770s, as the mobo only has one PCI-E 2.0 slot and the 500W PSU will probably be insufficient. Basically, go with the second.

The i5 and P55 platform offer neither greater longevity nor greater upgrade-ability. From the longevity perspective, the P55 platform is expected be EOL (end-of-life) within 2-3 years. Not only is Intel known for refreshing their set of platforms every few years, but Intel itself has basically declared that its support for the platform is soon to be nonexistent. (AM3 is expected to be around long enough to see hexacore CPUs. This means that in a few years, if you feel that your PII 945 is beginning to bottleneck your system, you can pop in a hexacore and be good-to-go. On that note, get a 955 instead of a 945. It's only $10 more, and it's a black edition, meaning it has an unlocked multiplier and will overclock like crazy.) From the upgrade-ability perspective, P55 supports a maximum bandwidth of x8 per PCI-E 2.0 lane. While x8/x8 CF is only estimated to perform ~4% worse than x16/x16 CF, this may change with GPUs released in the future.
In any case, P55 is not the route to go if you value longevity or upgrade-ability.

Now, if I were you and on a budget, I would compromise and go for an x8/x8 AM3 board with USB 3.0 and SATA III like this one at $160. Not too expensive, but it offers good performance, longevity, and upgrade-ability.

EDIT: Didn't notice you're from Canada. Fixed the link.
 

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One other thing. Besides swapping out the mobo and CPU of the second build, I would swap out that set of OCZ RAM for one of these. Even though the CL timings on those 3 sets aren't as tight as the OCZ RAM you listed, they're still CL 7 with the bus at 1600MHz, and you won't notice much of a difference. In addition, they're all a bit cheaper and from more reliable memory brands than OCZ. Some OCZ models are great, but the rest are picky with motherboards and rather questionable. I think the set you listed is one of the latter.

Otherwise, the parts you picked out are great and all compatible. Good find on the 700W OCZ PSU especially. It actually meets the requirements for the 80 PLUS Bronze certification (and possibly Silver), and if OCZ had gone through the trouble to get that certification, it would cost quite a bit more.
 

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Adding on to blackjello, AMD launching its new 880G chipset in a few days, and 890GX shortly followed, mobos for them are already being listed, these boards will support the new 6 cores and also natively support sata3 and usb3, these would be the real longevity boards.
As already touched on, the future of the 1156 platform is very uncertain right now
 

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Thanks for the replies

Batuchka, from my understanding games aren't too cpu intensive nowadays, mostly sits with the video card, so the cpu, unless *** wont bottleneck the video card, correct?

Blackjello I appreciate the extensive response - I had chosen that ram because I thought it was specifically listed on the Asus site in the VQL as being compatible(it isnt after double checking) - the 3 you listed are not (or were you referring to the Gigabyte mobo?). Also, I have read that the drops in performance between 8x8 and 16x16 are very small as you had said, but will that prove to be the same in the future? Good eye on the 955 ;>

So, in essence I should wait a little? I am on a sub 1k CAD budget all in for a decent gaming rig.

If the new 870/880G/890G/890FX are going to be up there in price, I don't think it would matter to me right now because of that, but then again the ones that im thinking of may go down.. correct?

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890GX boards coming march 1st? woah thats today... well soon...
880G boards coming april 26th ish i think from memory.
And yea it should drive down the price of 7 series boards a bit i should think
 


Yep Toms concluded that triple cores are preety much the sweet spot for games thses days and L3 does not impact gaming performance so the AthlonII X3 425 at just USD $71 seems like the dream budget gaming chip hehe


I wouldn't count on price drop due to 8xx chipset arrival - just look at AM2+ prices after the 1st AM3 mobos were released...and at least peeps on DDR2 had a reason to jump to AM2+
 

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So if I can get an entry level 890 mobo, for a decent price (150~), its worth waiting for right?

http://www.tcmagazine.info/comments.php?shownews=32950&catid=2 ?

or

http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-s-890GX-Chipset-Used-in-Gigabyte-s-Upcoming-Motherboard-132610.shtml
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128435&cm_re=GA-890GPA-UD3H-_-13-128-435-_-Product
?
Granted that I should go with an 8x8 (I have a feeling i'd be comfortable going with a board thats 16x16, like the msi one for future games using 16 channels :>)

Ok, so the quad vs triple core performance difference for games is basically nill, but the cpu ghz still affects fps, no? So even if I still got the 955 black edition and overclocked, I would see a difference between that and the 425. If not, then why do people get the new pentium cores for gaming?
 

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sooo Ive been thinking, and reading reviews, and apparently the 5850 towers over the 5770 . . . If I'm to save that money on the mobo and cpu, would it be worth getting the 5850? Or would cpu bottlenecks limit it :s

And I could pick it up locally from this store @ this price... http://www.infonec.com/site/main.php?module=detail&id=449815
worth it? oh and a hasty reply would be great, since the sale ends in 2 days :|
 

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but u can unlock a phenom II to the equivalent of something higher aswell(not cores i raelize that). Most games nowadays dont use 4 cores, but lets say battlefield bad company does, and so will newer games in the future, correct?

I'm getting the 5850 for sure.... now just the mobo .. i duno if an 8 series AMD will be released anytime soon that has 16x16 support.

 

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The 890FX will be released in the next few months.. no idea actually when though.
And you cant unlock the phenom II x4 series to something higher... theyre already at the peak of the architecture, unless theyre starting to ship their faulty x6 cores as x4s or lower which i doubt
 
Err considering a single HD 5850 is fine for the most part i dun really see why the need for a 16x+16x CF board 790FX or 890FX @@ Just get the bang for buck $$/frames GPU w/e that may be in future (single GPU solution) IMO Remember you were initially set on a HD5770....and on just a 1680 X 1050 display...
 

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wait, so a 7 series mobo will support hexacores, that are supposed to fit 8 series with a simple bios update? :/




 

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