News AMD updates Zen 5 Ryzen 9000 benchmark comparisons to Intel chips — details Admin mode boosts, chipset driver fix

[Admin]

AMD penned a blog post today to clarify Zen 5's gaming performance after withering criticism in the wake of its turbulent Ryzen 9000 launch.

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[Jagar123]

Meh, to me Zen 5 is still a bust. I'll be upgrading soon, just waiting for Arrow Lake and 9000x3d to see where I can get the most gaming performance at a good price. If it all stinks I'll just get a 7800x3d and be happy.

 

[redgarl]

What is getting out of it is that Windows is a damn unoptimized mess.

 

[redgarl]

Meh, to me Zen 5 is still a bust. I'll be upgrading soon, just waiting for Arrow Lake and 9000x3d to see where I can get the most gaming performance at a good price. If it all stinks I'll just get a 7800x3d and be happy.

Sure...

 

[spongiemaster]

What a trainwreck. AMD can't even agree with themselves in their press release. They state 2 different gaming performance improvements in this release.

For our Ryzen 9000 launch, AMD internal labs generated data that showed a 9% average generational uplift in 1080P gaming versus Ryzen 7000 Series,

Little further down

On a generational basis, Ryzen 9000 Series delivers a ~10% improvement in productivity and creative workloads, ~25% improvement in AI workloads, and 5-8% improvement in gaming over the Ryzen 7000 Series.

These are cut and pasted from the press release on AMD's website. Last time I checked, 9 doesn't fall between 5 and 8. No where in the release does it say 9% were their "original" results and now things have changed.

https://community.amd.com/t5/gaming...mmunity-update-gaming-performance/ba-p/704054

 

[Guardians Bane]

Meh, to me Zen 5 is still a bust. I'll be upgrading soon, just waiting for Arrow Lake and 9000x3d to see where I can get the most gaming performance at a good price. If it all stinks I'll just get a 7800x3d and be happy.

I'm doing the same thing. Waiting on both to see reviews of X3D vs ARL. Like you, I might just go with a 7800x3d also. Price/performance just isn't there with 9000x currently.

 

[Guardians Bane]

Sure...

Phoronix is testing on Linux. The article even said 9000 is better on Linux. What's the point you're making?

 

[sjkpublic]

Microsoft VBS is a kluge for 3rd party vendors and security. And it kills off any competing vendors to HyperV. I agree that both AMD and Intel have to deal with this kluge. My take is at the end of the day the overall performance between Intel and AMD is about the same. But AMD uses less power. Go green.

 

[Jagar123]

Phoronix is testing on Linux. The article even said 9000 is better on Linux. What's the point you're making?

I don't think they care. I mentioned gaming and he showed me Linux productivity results. Not really worth engaging with them.

 

[sjkpublic]

Oops. Forgot this fact. Intel controls Thunderbolt 4. USB 4 is just a subset. If it were not for Thunderbolt 4 and the fact that Intel is US based (firmware/bios) vs AMD which is worldwide, I would not even bother with Intel. If the shit hits the fan go with Intel.

 

[DougMcC]

Phoronix is testing on Linux. The article even said 9000 is better on Linux. What's the point you're making?

I assume the point is that the results suggest maybe the 9000 is actually pretty decent but windows is such a mess that it's unreasonably handicapped in those results.

 

[Guardians Bane]

I assume the point is that the results suggest maybe the 9000 is actually pretty decent but windows is such a mess that it's unreasonably handicapped in those results.

While true, it still isn't indicative of what most consumers get out of the box. And till MS and AMD come up with something to fix the bugs, those Linux results won't show most people what they can expect currently.

 

[baboma]

>I assume the point is that the results suggest maybe the 9000 is actually pretty decent but windows is such a mess that it's unreasonably handicapped in those results.

The "Windows sux" narrative is popular with the hoi polloi, and spin doctors always reach for it. It's low-browed scapegoating.

It's the HW vendor's responsibility to provide (and optimize) drivers for an OS, be it Windows or Linux. It's not the OS' responsibility.

The reality is that AMD launched Ryzen 9K with subpar driver support, and will need to be improved. AMD implicitly stated this in its blog piece.

Dual-CCD thread scheduling is an AMD issue, just as hybrid-core scheduling is/was an Intel issue. Heterogeneous thread scheduling AFAIK isn't a simple thing.

 

[Mattzun]

This still doesn't cover all of the Zen 5 weirdness on Windows.
It really does seem like they just weren't ready to launch and that they still don't have good drivers.

The "Admin" mode seems to affect both Zen4 and Zen5, so 24H2 changes won't improve relative performance.

VBS seems to have an unusually large effect on Zen 5 vs Zen4 in some games

Its weird that you need core parking on all dual CCD Zen 5s, when it was only needed for X3D versions of Zen 4
Being able to uninstall the core parking driver doesn't explain why its needed

I didn't see any explanation why memory compatibility is better in Zen 4 than Zen 5

 

[codex5600x]

They say this generation it's not for gaming, a CPU ist not use only for gaming, they have a CPU dedicated for gaming.
The 9000 series are focus for web, ai, workstations, etc were need a good performance with less heat and power consumption

 

[phxrider]

I have been saying, and still say, people should hold off on final judgement for a few months while the kinks are worked out with Zen 5. For the moment it looks like a flop, but I'd give them (AMD and MS, and potentially game devs) time to optimize things for it.

 

[Alpha_Lyrae]

Oops. Forgot this fact. Intel controls Thunderbolt 4. USB 4 is just a subset. If it were not for Thunderbolt 4 and the fact that Intel is US based (firmware/bios) vs AMD which is worldwide, I would not even bother with Intel. If the shit hits the fan go with Intel.

Intel controls TB4, yes, but USB4 is based on TB3, which Intel donated to USB-IF, royalty-free for USB4 specification.

AMD is a US-based company. Not sure where everyone is getting this misinformation about AMD. Intel, AMD, and Nvidia are all US companies that also do business in China, though there are US restrictions and export controls on US silicon to China.

As for needing the PPM/X3D driver on dual CCD chips, I think it's necessary given the regression in CCD-to-CCD latency vs Zen 4. It's better to simply stop any depedent threads from being placed there, as the penalty is even higher now, if scheduler accidentally allows a cross-CCD thread placement. The CCDs have to communicate through IOD at the IMC/RAM, so it's always been wise to prevent any cross-CCD processing. Workloads should be decently parallel with no dependencies between CCDs. Gaming generally doesn't fit that workload type.