AMD Vega Frontier Edition: Why have there been to recent benchmarks?

[That_Tech_Guy_Again]

So i have been trying to find some "recent" (within the last 3 months or so) benchmarks for the Vega FE GPU, because obviously since Vega uses HMB2 and so its architecture is different it would not be optimized for running most programs (specificially non-AMD related/partnered programs such as games and other stuff), this lack of optimization is recognized when during early reviews of Vega FE it did WORSE when running at 1440p and better at 4K (this is in relation to its fps outpout).

If anyone can point me to a recent review/benchmark of AMD Vega FE, or if you know why there have not been any recent reviews/benchmarks that would be much appreciated. Thankyou.

 

[ElectrO_90]

No one reviews "old hardware" and the FE is quite old now and wasn't made for gaming.

 

[That_Tech_Guy_Again]

No one reviews "old hardware" and the FE is quite old now and wasn't made for gaming.

Dude, what is wrong with you? I use an example, and you make a statement as if i was asking that, the context actually had something to do with games? WHO GIVES A CRAP ABOUT GAMES!!!!!! I clearly stated "such as games and other stuff".

Humans are (to the best of my knowledge) most familiar with games so i used that as a subjective example for reference, within this specific context of reviewing/benchmarks since most reviews i have seen referenced the Veg FE in terms of "gaming performance".

do not go off on a tangent, in an attempt to warp the question into your own point of view by using the example of gaming, to distort the original question being asked.

I asked why there were no recent reviews, and since most reviews i have seen focused on "gaming performance" i decided to ask the question in relation to gaming performance. The numerous reviews i have seen also stated how there was a lack of optimization due to the HMB2 being a new architecture. and that is why in some use cases there was even a difference in fps output when playing specifically at 1440p. Which i noted in the original post.

I am wondering why there has been no NEW reviews since most claimed that the lackluster performance could possibly be due to to the lack of optimization. So would it not be reasonable to wait 6 months or so, and then REtest the Vega FE to see if there has been performance optimizations on the GPU driver update side and on the games being tested side?


GPU usually only release a new architecture/generation every 2 years or so, and since it has only been 6 months or so, i would hardly call it "old".


Note: If it is capable of running PONG, then it has gaming performance. 😉

Note: This is an example, however, i can use a brick to kill someone, however that does not mean the brick was "made to be a weapon". And yet? It can still be used as a weapon?? So therefore, just because it was not designed solely and/or mainly for playing games, does not mean it is incapable and/or unlikely to do so. In the context of the Vega FE itself, it has a Gaming Mode, which can be and in fact will definitely be used to "test"/play games, and so it can be used for playing games like any other "normal" GPU.


Oh, and the use/non-use of capitalization is not in recognition of loudness/speech. It is merely for greater emphasis on that which i deem important.

 

[boju]

There may not be any recent gaming benchmarks about since Vega64 but there are people still talking about FE.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/86encf/vega_frontier_edition_gaming_performance/

Edit, sorry lol didn't know you aren't interested in games, maybe say for professional use next time.

 

[boju]

https://techgage.com/article/radeon-pro-vs-quadro-a-fresh-look-at-workstation-gpu-performance/8/

Here we are, see conclusion. Reason why FE isnt in benchmarks is because it's hiding in the name of Rx580.

 

[That_Tech_Guy_Again]

There may not be any recent gaming benchmarks about since Vega64 but there are people still talking about FE.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/86encf/vega_frontier_edition_gaming_performance/

Edit, sorry lol didn't know you aren't interested in games, maybe say for professional use next time.

Yes, i probably should have accurately described the use cases i would be needing it for. However, i was referencing benchmarks "in general" as opposed to "gaming" benchmarks. I asked "WHY" there was no recent benchmarks. Not "WHY... there was no gaming benchmarks in particular". Do you see the difference?

To be exact I will be using the Vega FE for gaming, streaming on twitch, programing, encoding editing, 3d modelling, using visual studios, blender, unity and various other things.

Note: i have only played games before and my pc is mostly incapable of all these tasks except gaming (it is a $500 pc this is based on AUD Australian currency). I will only be doing all these things after i get the Vega FE, therefore i need a multi-purpose GPU. (Within budget)

I probably should also mention that when asking for recent benchmarks/reviews,m i also not asking for them in any specific context. I was more interested in whether or not there "ARE" recent reviews? In a "why? or why not?" scenario.

 

[That_Tech_Guy_Again]

https://techgage.com/article/radeon-pro-vs-quadro-a-fresh-look-at-workstation-gpu-performance/8/

Here we are, see conclusion. Reason why FE isnt in benchmarks is because it's hiding in the name of Rx580.

I have a question. Is the RX 580, not a completely different GPU? I though it was from AMD's 500 series? And if it is the Vega FE why does it have 8GB memory and not 16GB memory?

 

[boju]

FE is essentially an Vega64 with 16GB vram so base your queries with the Rx580 is what that site is saying.

 

[boju]

Hiding was a figure of speech. You are right, the 580 is a different card based on the same chipset. FE's performance is relative to the 580.

 

[That_Tech_Guy_Again]

FE is essentially an Vega64 with 16GB vram so base your queries with the Rx580 is what that site is saying.

Actually if i remember correctly, i believe Vega FE has about 80hz or so higher clock speed than the RX Vega 64.

Note: Clock speed "mostly" determines fps output. And the Extra 8GB Memory, is important if you wish to use programs that hold lots of "memory".

Also, I fail to understand how comparing the 580 to the Vega FE, would be useful in anyway? Could you clarify what you mean.

 

[That_Tech_Guy_Again]

Hiding was a figure of speech. You are right, the 580 is a different card based on the same chipset. FE's performance is relative to the 580.

The same chipset? May i know exact name of the chipset? And how would them being the from the same chipset be meaningful? There are multiple components to a GPU, and although i do not know most things in relation to the functions which a GPU performs, i am fairly certain, that the specific chipset is only 1 factor in determining performance.

 

[boju]

Read the article

 

[That_Tech_Guy_Again]

Read the article

Ummm.... I just read both articles again. They do not mention what the name of the chipset is?

 

[boju]

On the AMD side, even though we didn’t have one for testing, the Frontier Edition, at about $900, seems like great value for workstation users. It’s effectively a Vega 64, but with twice as much memory (16GB), which as we found out on the deep-learning page, is important for those kinds of workloads. And since Vega has uncapped half-precision performance (but a lack of Tensors), it’s an alluring choice (especially when the Vega 64 is experiencing inflated pricing; it almost makes the FE a no-brainer).

Chipset is Vega.

 

[That_Tech_Guy_Again]

On the AMD side, even though we didn’t have one for testing, the Frontier Edition, at about $900, seems like great value for workstation users. It’s effectively a Vega 64, but with twice as much memory (16GB), which as we found out on the deep-learning page, is important for those kinds of workloads. And since Vega has uncapped half-precision performance (but a lack of Tensors), it’s an alluring choice (especially when the Vega 64 is experiencing inflated pricing; it almost makes the FE a no-brainer).

Chipset is Vega.

Wait.... So the GPU is Vega.... and the Chipset is Vega????

 

[boju]

Woops, don't know why i said 580, sorry about that. Glad you were on the ball. Makes more sense to say instead AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 to compare with FE, sorry again.

Same link you seen before, just used a graph from it, see 2nd in place https://techgage.com/article/radeon-pro-vs-quadro-a-fresh-look-at-workstation-gpu-performance/5/

 

[That_Tech_Guy_Again]

Woops, don't know why i said 580, sorry about that. Glad you were on the ball. Makes more sense to say instead AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 to compare with FE, sorry again.

Same link you seen before, just used a graph from it, see 2nd in place https://techgage.com/article/radeon-pro-vs-quadro-a-fresh-look-at-workstation-gpu-performance/5/

Lol... I see. Now it makes sense.Yes, the 64 can be compared the FE, i have actually, already compared them. other than the extra 8GB vram, and about 80hz clock speed difference, they are otherwise identical. Also thanks for giving me a link to a benchmark which is not related to gaming, it is very useful. However, my original question was still in relation to "optimization", perhaps i should have stated more clearly that i was referring to "driver" optimization. You see, the early reviews kept on mentioning how it was a new architecture and other stuff like that, which is what they claim "mostly" caused its lackluster performance. So then, based on that premise, after new drivers were released months later, why has no one bothered to actually RE-review the Vega FE? All google searches lead me to reviews which are dated back to 2017 around august or so.

And so, even though they are almost identical hardware, since the software would be different due to the 64 and FE having different drivers, they should "probably" be some noticeable differences right? So where are the NEW benchmarks to explore the optimizations which the new drivers should have made? Where is the new benchmarks showing the improvements that the drivers have made?

 

[boju]

Your right, benchmarks should discretely include FE to see numbers crunched with the exta vram. Suppose it still might show up in future benchmarks. Until then at least you have vega 64 to measure by and Amd's software will continue to support as they still do with the 2xx series, Amd are good like that.

 

[That_Tech_Guy_Again]

Your right, benchmarks should discretely include FE to see numbers crunched with the exta vram. Suppose it still might show up in future benchmarks. Until then at least you have vega 64 to measure by and Amd's software will continue to support as they still do with the 2xx series, Amd are good like that.

I do not really know much about the history of GPU's or AMD, since i have only been looking at computer parts for about 2 years or so, and i never actually grew up playing on a computer much. lol. But, it appears that AMD has driver support for a long time for their GPU's.


Well anyway, it was fun talking with you and getting to the bottom of everything. Even though we technically never did find a benchmark using the newest drivers.Oh well Thankyou so much for your help

One last thing, i plan on playing games, streaming on twitch, creating youtube videos, video editing, encoding, 3d modelling, using blender, and also unity, and probably other things which i have not even thought if yet, which i might find interesting to do.

So therefore, in your opinion, based solely on the hardware specificationws, which graphics card would deliver a more balanced approach for the workload i wish to undertake, the Vega FE or the GTX 1080 Ti.

 

[boju]

Your welcome and good chat.

1080Ti is a decent card all round and so is Vega. The FE can be turned into a game orientated card installing appropriate drivers. Having not done so myself not sure if it's a simple driver selection as in professional or gamer versions or if theres some kind of toggle for convenience not having to reinstall different drivers each time doing something different. Probably would have to install different drivers each time.

I did see a post early on regarding drivers and this i found is of different nature someone having trouble configuring FE for gaming albeit has solution as to why. https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/7o7x6f/vega_frontier_driver_issues_with_gaming_mode/

Thought id start with that if you were to choose FE and how to go about if same thing happened to you. There are loads more information on the net about this subject im sure you'll find or have found.

Another thing to consider is the kind of work you do, maybe a Titan might be better?

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6tsdd6/vega_frontier_edition_or_vega_64_or_gtx_1080_ti/

 

[ElectrO_90]

No one reviews "old hardware" and the FE is quite old now and wasn't made for gaming.

Dude, what is wrong with you? I use an example, and you make a statement as if i was asking that, the context actually had something to do with games? WHO GIVES A CRAP ABOUT GAMES!!!!!! I clearly stated "such as games and other stuff".

Humans are (to the best of my knowledge) most familiar with games so i used that as a subjective example for reference, within this specific context of reviewing/benchmarks since most reviews i have seen referenced the Veg FE in terms of "gaming performance".

do not go off on a tangent, in an attempt to warp the question into your own point of view by using the example of gaming, to distort the original question being asked.

I asked why there were no recent reviews, and since most reviews i have seen focused on "gaming performance" i decided to ask the question in relation to gaming performance. The numerous reviews i have seen also stated how there was a lack of optimization due to the HMB2 being a new architecture. and that is why in some use cases there was even a difference in fps output when playing specifically at 1440p. Which i noted in the original post.

I am wondering why there has been no NEW reviews since most claimed that the lackluster performance could possibly be due to to the lack of optimization. So would it not be reasonable to wait 6 months or so, and then REtest the Vega FE to see if there has been performance optimizations on the GPU driver update side and on the games being tested side?


GPU usually only release a new architecture/generation every 2 years or so, and since it has only been 6 months or so, i would hardly call it "old".


Note: If it is capable of running PONG, then it has gaming performance. 😉

Note: This is an example, however, i can use a brick to kill someone, however that does not mean the brick was "made to be a weapon". And yet? It can still be used as a weapon?? So therefore, just because it was not designed solely and/or mainly for playing games, does not mean it is incapable and/or unlikely to do so. In the context of the Vega FE itself, it has a Gaming Mode, which can be and in fact will definitely be used to "test"/play games, and so it can be used for playing games like any other "normal" GPU.


Oh, and the use/non-use of capitalization is not in recognition of loudness/speech. It is merely for greater emphasis on that which i deem important.

I'm guessing, English isn't your first language as you are talking really strange with questions in the form of negative statements.
You mentioned games and I mentioned, no one reviews the FE. Most hardware sites, will not go back to hardware once it was released on Day X, and very rarely they will revisit it with updated drivers.