AMD vs. intel for gaming

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Alright so i am trying to figure out which processor i should use in my new system that im going to be putting together soon. Basically i am comparing the intel i5 750 and the amd phenom ii x4 965. I originally wanted to build an amd system because the price difference, although i also want to make sure that i am getting a good quality gaming system. Most likely i will be playing SC II and some fps like modern warfare 2 and crysis. Will the intel really be a much better gaming processor or is it just a waste of my money?
 

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well i dont really think i need top of the line for my usage level and i would really perfer to spnd less money(wouldn't everyone?) so i guess that means amd FTW :D
 

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alright, so lets say i decide to go with the i5-750. How much will the price and performance differ across the entire system. Mobos for example cost more for an intel chipset than a amd chipset right? Also, i was planning on using ati graphics. I have heard from some people that Intel/ATI is not a very good idea as it will reduce performance, howevre im not really sure.
 

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"that link goes to a phenom x2 555 not the phenom ii x4 955"

you use a motherboard setting which unlocks it into the 955. ocz platinum isnt very good ram, especially on asus motherboards. it will crush the 1090t? ok.
 

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Name a single game that can use 6 cores. Bulldozer sux as a gaming CPU. Don't take my word for it go looking for any charts you want. Even the 955/965 are better. Bulldozer wins a few synthetics and specialty programs that can use more than 4 cores and thats it. AMD chips stop scaling at around 3.8ghz while intel chips do not hit that wall and continue scaling over 4 ghz too. As I said before it does not matter the chip AMD architecture is still slightly slower than Core 2 from Intel............2006 Intel.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-upgradable-processor-phenom-ii-x6,2731-6.html
 

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Smells like a flame bait... Oh well, might as well jump in. :lol:

If, as anort3 said, a $30 difference is a waste of money in your perspective, then it is. However, if it's not, then just go for the i5. If you're planning on only using 1 GPU, then don't worry about the GPU compatibility issue, Intel's Motherboards aren't made by nVidia.

Sometimes when comparing 2 things, the decisive factor is our own perception. If you already have a positive sentiment towards 1 brand, the slightest margin of inferiority from the other brand would seem like a huge one. On the contrary, the slightest superiority will seem negligible.

Let's say you have a thing for Intel, any AMD product will look cheap and less powerful for you. From the favors of AMD's perspective, any Intel product will look like it will cost you a fortune. It's hard to be neutral because of the difference of perspective between individuals. Even the concept about price to performance ratio is considered to be a non-issue for some people. Must've been born with a silver spoon in the mouth.

And as for benchmarks, if you see the gap difference is not too far apart, in real time application it's usually negligible. Roughly, if brand A with a benchmark score of 100 can do a certain task in 5 minutes, the B with a score of 90 should be able to do it in 5.5 minutes. Again, as in the "waste of money" analogy, if that .5 minute is a big deal for you, then go for the better performing one.

I can only suggest to plan your purchase carefully, buying Intel will give you an edge in performance. Yet buying AMD, in exchange of (not light years away) inferior performance, will give you the extra budget to purchase other components.

Just keep it real, no fanboism, no understatements. Plain and simple.

These kind of threads are so sensitive, I got a death threat from one of the fan boy for breaking down the fact. Would you believe that?

Final words, stick for the initial concept, whether it's gaming, graphic designing, HTPC, etc. Visualize a reasonable expectation, for gaming they would be FPS, resolution, AA settings, etc. And the most important thing is, choose the right components within your budget. In your case, if that $30 dollars you spent for the i5 will cost you a shortage on the GPU purchase budget, you might want to think it over.

Hope this helps!
 

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the bottom line is still the bottom line. which was my first response to this thread. amd gives you more punch for the price, intel is superior, i said that. the pure processing power of the 1090t speaks for itself though:

http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/view/300080

http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/view/301192

edit: here is your potential phenom x4 960 for $100 :

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103887&cm_re=phenom-_-19-103-887-_-Product

it's a gamble, but your saving a lot more than $30 if it works.
 
Very nice build, gonna suggest two possible cost savings for your consideration:

Check out the HAF 912 if you haven't already.

At 1920x1080 (not 1200), you really may not need the 470, can go with a 460. With the same psu you could always add a second 460 as prices come further down, only if/when needed:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/180?vs=160

Use the same tool to compare 2x460 vs 470. Here's an OC'd 460 for $200:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125333&cm_re=gtx_460_1gb-_-14-125-333-_-Product
 

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They sell CPU+RAM combos at newegg? I should apply to be a US citizen... :lol:

Well, If you think it's reasonable yourself, then go for it. Plus, Twoboxer's suggestion will reduce the cost even more. Saving $100 will give you the extra budget for the gaming specific accessories.
 
To (not @ lol) damasvara: The AMD/Intel AMD/nVidia thing is always fun, eh?

Personally my current rule of thumb: below 1920 res and/or below ~$900 (for the tower) budget, its AMD for me to get better performance at nearly any (if not all) budget levels. After ~$900 (i5 750), the balance seems to swing to Intel where AMD seems to play nearly as good for a little less money and it becomes much more of a value judgement.

As to whether a $900+ budget is a good idea or necessary . . . that's a philosophical question for each individual, and its far above my pay grade lol.
 

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I'd say, yes and no. It's fun if the argument is objective and knowledgeable, where both sides can accept the other's advantages, not just emphasizing at the minus points. It's no fun when personal insults start thrown away like a bunch of illiterate hillbillies would do.

One thing we have in common though, that >$900 is also wouldn't fit my monthly paycheck (which is less than half of it :sweat: ) . Actually It would, but I'll have to sell my Yamaha motorcycle first... :lol: Definitely not worth it...

Speaking of which, did the OP mention anything about OC'ing? That would need require an after market CPU cooler included in the budget.
 
For a single video card or a Crossfire setup, better go with AMD.. For multi video card SLI setup go for Intel.. One point favouring Intel is that many of their chipset boards support both SLI and Crossfire making your purchase a long term solution wherein it gets easy to choose any video card platform depending on the best performing card(s) available at any particular time.. I wont debate on overclocking though.. Intel chips are superior in that department surely but not everyone is willing to run a system 24 x 7 with his/her CPU running well over 30% of its stock clock rating..
 

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"Name a single game that can use 6 cores"<<< Microsoft Flight Simulator X (currently can use up to 32 cores currently works best with Intel Core i7 CPU's especially the 6 core i7 980x)
"Bulldozer sux as a gaming CPU"<<< AMD's Bulldozer won't be available till next year.

 

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As much as I don't like the Intel-ish comment, I believe he meant the Thuban hexa-core. He did give solid facts though, not just some baseless argument... :p
 

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AMD is giving its best to compete with intel and has got some amount of success.
Intel is living on it's reputation, that " sponsors of tomorrow" bla bla bla.
Just take an example of 980x and 1090t be. there would be not much difference between the performance of the given CPU's. 980x cost thrice as 1090t be or even more but the performance is very much equivallent to that of amd. Intel actually don't give the performance for the price paid but although are bit better than amd.
If you are anxious about money then get AMD CPU or if you have money to burn get that of Intel's. Now its up to you.
 

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You blind fanboys only bash intel when they sell there flagship cpu for 1000$ but what happens to that same analogy when Amd sells 5970 for 1000$(Asus Ares and more).
Stick to the initial topic, please. The topic is about CPU, not GPU. Besides, the Ares is Asus' premium custom version of the 5970, not directly AMD's. The original version is below $700. You're firing your gun at the wrong target.
 

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When any statement hurts that big fat ego of yours,you say offtopic.Nice very nice.

Asus is using amd's product and you say amd has nothing to do with it.They are also enjoying its profit.
And I thought mousemonkey already warned you not to argue about personal issues.

I'm only saying to stick to the topic as stated on the forum rules.

Asus also makes Intel's motherboards in case you didn't know. I never said "nothing to do", I said "not directly". That's two different meaning. As for the pricing issue, I highly doubt AMD is enjoying the profit of the $1,200 Ares other than the base model reselling contract. Besides, the product's not selling very well due to the small slice of the GPU market. What's there to enjoy?

Cool it, dipankar. Stay reasonable. I promised mousemonkey to keep it clean after that warning. I suggest for you to also comply.
 
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