AMD vs INTEL

[Jesse Wood]

Why is Intel SO much better than AMD supposedly? If it was so much better than why can I buy a 200 dollar 4.0ghz processor from AMD and a 400 dollars 3.6ghz processor from intel? They mostly have the same specs anyways. So why are they considered so much? I making a gaming PC and I'm trying to get as much bang for my buck.

Thanks

 

[Flightsimluke]

I'm sorry if you thought that I talked to you like a 5 year old, but no need to post oodles and oodles. You could have got your point across in less than 10 words. And, about your 'Bitch, please. I'm not uninformed!' quote, I'm not exactly Billybob the Moonshiner either.

Although it would be technically impossible for me to be a hillbilly, as I'm British.

Ha! I never insinuated you weren't intelligent/informed or that you were a hillbilly either...

Where in GB? I've been to Lakenheath briefly, and was only in London long enough to get drunk in a pub the night before a flight out. I was up until after midnight drinking Black and Tans with some fellows I couldn't understand at all, though they most certainly found me amusing...they kept buying pints, so I kept drinking them...lol.

I'm about 25 miles from Lakenheath, and my cousins live about 5 miles away! I'm sorry about my attitude earlier, it was completely disrespectful.

Those people you couldn't understand might have been Scottish...

Best Regards
Luke

 

[JD88]

This is rather interesting:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crossfire-sli-scaling-bottleneck,3471-11.html

If you look at the top figure showing an 8350 and 3770k both paired with a single 7970, the Intel chip performs about 10% better on average across the entire benchmark suite suggesting the chard is bottle-necked slightly by the AMD chip. Of course Skyrim is still in there. Problem is, I play Skyrim, Starcraft, and Planetside 2 and so do a lot of other people.

 

[8350rocks]

This is rather interesting:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crossfire-sli-scaling-bottleneck,3471-11.html

If you look at the top figure showing an 8350 and 3770k both paired with a single 7970, the Intel chip performs about 10% better on average across the entire benchmark suite suggesting the chard is bottle-necked slightly by the AMD chip. Of course Skyrim is still in there. Problem is, I play Skyrim, Starcraft, and Planetside 2 and so do a lot of other people.

I saw that review, it is interesting that the intel's perform a tiny bit better with AMD CPUs...and Nvidia, Ironically perform better on AMDs...I would never have expected it to be that way.

Planetside 2 is much improved on AMD hardware since the last patch was my understanding, though I haven't played it.

 

[juanrga]

Clock for clock, the 3570k beats an 8350 in 95% of the benchmarks.

Even giving Intel an extra overclock margin of 0.6 GHz, the result is {*}:

My conclusion is that they are very similar in performance at these speeds, i5 wins Some, FX8350 wins some, out of 6 game benchmarks 3 single GPU benches and 3 crossfire benches , the fx8350 won 3 and the i5 won 3, the I5 wins at 3d mark 11 but the 8350 was even at Heaven.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1333027/amd-fx-8350-vs-i5-3570k-delidded-single-gpu-and-crossfire-gpu

{*} Using software only optimized for Intel. Using software optimized for both, the FX is much much faster.

 

[babernet_1]

Clock for clock, the 3570k beats an 8350 in 95% of the benchmarks.

Even giving Intel an extra overclock margin of 0.6 GHz, the result is {*}:

My conclusion is that they are very similar in performance at these speeds, i5 wins Some, FX8350 wins some, out of 6 game benchmarks 3 single GPU benches and 3 crossfire benches , the fx8350 won 3 and the i5 won 3, the I5 wins at 3d mark 11 but the 8350 was even at Heaven.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1333027/amd-fx-8350-vs-i5-3570k-delidded-single-gpu-and-crossfire-gpu

{*} Using software only optimized for Intel. Using software optimized for both, the FX is much much faster.

No, I've read that Tom's Hardware uses the latest AMD Hot Fixes for its benchmarking too.

 

[GeekVerve]

This is rather interesting:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/crossfire-sli-scaling-bottleneck,3471-11.html

If you look at the top figure showing an 8350 and 3770k both paired with a single 7970, the Intel chip performs about 10% better on average across the entire benchmark suite suggesting the chard is bottle-necked slightly by the AMD chip. Of course Skyrim is still in there. Problem is, I play Skyrim, Starcraft, and Planetside 2 and so do a lot of other people.

I saw that review, it is interesting that the intel's perform a tiny bit better with AMD CPUs...and Nvidia, Ironically perform better on AMDs...I would never have expected it to be that way.

Planetside 2 is much improved on AMD hardware since the last patch was my understanding, though I haven't played it.

I really think that AMD has missed the boat on this one. There has got to be a lot they could do to optimize the performance of AMD GPU's when paired with an AMD processor to promote a unified platform. Perhaps they have, in fact, tried just that and found that nVidia GPU's would suffer too much from it, driving nVidia owners to Intel. /shrug

 

[juanrga]

Clock for clock, the 3570k beats an 8350 in 95% of the benchmarks.

Even giving Intel an extra overclock margin of 0.6 GHz, the result is {*}:

My conclusion is that they are very similar in performance at these speeds, i5 wins Some, FX8350 wins some, out of 6 game benchmarks 3 single GPU benches and 3 crossfire benches , the fx8350 won 3 and the i5 won 3, the I5 wins at 3d mark 11 but the 8350 was even at Heaven.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1333027/amd-fx-8350-vs-i5-3570k-delidded-single-gpu-and-crossfire-gpu

{*} Using software only optimized for Intel. Using software optimized for both, the FX is much much faster.

No, I've read that Tom's Hardware uses the latest AMD Hot Fixes for its benchmarking too.

No. I did mean the bdver1, bdver2... optimizations provided by both GCC and AMD Open64 which are absent in intel compiler. Those optimizations apply to other AMD chips such as trinity.

The Bulldozer/piledriver hot fixes that you mention are only a pair of bad patches to the terrible W7 scheduler. The fixes are bad because only provide about a ridiculous 1% performance whereas increase power consumption (about a 7%) because disable certain saving power protocols on AMD chips.

 

[john1587]

Hi

For GAMING you should look at the GPU FIRST....

I have an old AMD Phenom 1100t with a 7990 gpu.....

You could spend £1000 on the latest Intel CPU and NOT GET 1 FRAME MORE than my old phenom....

THAT'S A FACT....

So Intel is NOT better for Gaming than AMD...


All the best Brett

I can't believe you have said that!, it all depends on what game you are playing, I had a phenom 965 overclocked to 3.9 ghz and on intensive cpu games like far cry 3 in heavy scenes i was getting like 32-35 fps with my 660 ti as it was just using like 40% of the GPU for that scene, now with the 3570K i am getting constant 60 fps with Vsync on same settings and if I turn off vsync i can easly get 70+ FPS with my card always being used 100% so zero bottleneck.
Same story with Crysis 3, Hitman absolution, tomb raider

The only reason Brett ever comments on posts is so he can tell as many people as possible that he has a 7990. Notice how he underlines it. But good advice!

Yeah and with a CPU that probably will not handle a 7990 very well anyway

 

[8350rocks]

I'm sorry if you thought that I talked to you like a 5 year old, but no need to post oodles and oodles. You could have got your point across in less than 10 words. And, about your 'Bitch, please. I'm not uninformed!' quote, I'm not exactly Billybob the Moonshiner either.

Although it would be technically impossible for me to be a hillbilly, as I'm British.

Ha! I never insinuated you weren't intelligent/informed or that you were a hillbilly either...

Where in GB? I've been to Lakenheath briefly, and was only in London long enough to get drunk in a pub the night before a flight out. I was up until after midnight drinking Black and Tans with some fellows I couldn't understand at all, though they most certainly found me amusing...they kept buying pints, so I kept drinking them...lol.

I'm about 25 miles from Lakenheath, and my cousins live about 5 miles away! I'm sorry about my attitude earlier, it was completely disrespectful.

Those people you couldn't understand might have been Scottish...

Best Regards
Luke

I think they may have been...there was a soccer/football game on TV in the pub, and all I could gather was they were cheering for Celtic FC...when they scored all these guys went crazy and bought another round of pints...lol.

 

[juanrga]

AMD are a dying company, and everyone knows that if they don't get their act together over the next few years, they may not see the next decade.

It seems to me you are confounding AMD, the company that did gain market in Q4 of past year, and will be selling lots of chips this year on PCs, on consoles, on tablets... with Intel, that dying company, whose profits have dropped a 25% this quarter

http://www.crn.in/news/hardware/2013/03/05/amd-gains-20-percent-market-share-in-q42012---idc

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/29763/intel-continue-to-feel-pain-quarterly-profits-drop-25-for-q1-2013/index.html

 

[john1587]

AMD are a dying company, and everyone knows that if they don't get their act together over the next few years, they may not see the next decade.

It seems to me you are confounding AMD, the company that did gain market in Q4 of past year, and will be selling lots of chips this year on PCs, on consoles, on tablets... with Intel, that dying company, whose profits have dropped a 25% this quarter

http://www.crn.in/news/hardware/2013/03/05/amd-gains-20-percent-market-share-in-q42012---idc

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/29763/intel-continue-to-feel-pain-quarterly-profits-drop-25-for-q1-2013/index.html

I dont see none of the companies are going to die soon, intel is the more popular between enthusiast pc markets and office pcs, AMD is now on next gen consoles so both have their markets

 

[inzone]

As usual when someone makes a thread of AMD vs Intel it starts the same old arguments that always go nowhere or solve anything.

I find it interesting that the OP that started this thread never made another post.

To avoid further disputes and possibly prevent people from receiving disciplinary action I am closing this thread.