AMD vs Intel?

[Zircoben]

Hi,

I have always rooted Intel on the knowledge of power consumption and single-thread performance, but I am trying to lose my fanboy-ness and take a step back and look at AMD.

Given gaming, power consumption, and multitasking, who is better? Intel or AMD, particulary at the $200 price point with the 8350 and the 4570?

Thank you!

 

[Zircoben]

Anybody? I'd appreciate any input.

 

[damric]

For budget overclocking, get the FM2 Athlon. For Budget stock performance, get pentium/i3. For performance overclocking, get FX-8320. For maximum performance get intel i5. Unlimited budget get i7.

 

[Zircoben]

For budget overclocking, get the FM2 Athlon. For Budget stock performance, get pentium/i3. For performance overclocking, get FX-8320. For maximum performance get intel i5. Unlimited budget get i7.

In your opinion, does the Pentium or the Athlon 760K a better CPU? I cannot really decide in my mind if 4 weaker cores is better than 2 quality cores in the Intel.

If you were building a new system, with a $200 CPU, what would you choose?

Thank you so much! This really helps me. I'm not building anything, but I just want someone else's perspective and view to help orient my own.

 

[damric]

Athlon only better when overclocked. There is an unlocked pentium coming out soon.

$200 probably FX 8320 with a good air cooler for overclocking.

Another advantage of intel is you can run them on the stock cooler since you don't even need to overclock them.

 

[leeb2013]

I did chose an I5-3570k, but I should have chosen the Xeon E3-1230-V2 which I recently changed to. I've always had AMD for cheapness, but now wanted performance and efficiency.

 

[Zircoben]

I did chose an I5-3570k, but I should have chosen the Xeon E3-1230-V2 which I recently changed to. I've always had AMD for cheapness, but now wanted performance and efficiency.

The Xeon's are interesting. For $50 more than the top i5, you get a i5-i7 mix that is weird.

Have you found a significant boost in performance between the two because of the hyper-threading? Also, did you just stick the Xeon in your i5's motherboard?

Thanks!

 

[leeb2013]

I did chose an I5-3570k, but I should have chosen the Xeon E3-1230-V2 which I recently changed to. I've always had AMD for cheapness, but now wanted performance and efficiency.

The Xeon's are interesting. For $50 more than the top i5, you get a i5-i7 mix that is weird.

Have you found a significant boost in performance between the two because of the hyper-threading? Also, did you just stick the Xeon in your i5's motherboard?

Thanks!

actually, it was the same price as the I5-3570k. Just dropped it straight into my Z77 mobo, no changes nothing. RAM still o/c to 2400 (even though CPU says it supports 1333!).

The Xeon is an I7 without the integrated GPU (not used) and you can't o/c, otherwise it's a fully fledged I7.

Big difference in performance. I used to have my I5 running at 4.4GHz @ 1.14v, the Xeon beats it at almost everything at 3.4GHz, benchmarks, games, etc. I run the Xeon at 0.88v, it's very low power ~45W and never gets above 50C, even when running prime. I really don't know why I didn't get it initially, I just didn't consider a Xeon.

Games, like BF4, are taking advantage of 8 cores/threads, and more will in the future, driven by AMD and consoles. Watchdogs is recommending an I7 (although I think they recently down'd it to an I5) and one or two other future games have hinted at I7's.

 

[nikoli707]

i cant for the life of me understand how a stock clocked e3-1230 could win in any benchmark compared to a 3570k@4.4ghz.

 

[revanchrist]

I've seen a few reviews that pit e3 1230 v3 versus i5 4670k and i7 4770k and the result at factory clockspeed is:

Single thread performance: 1230<4670k<4770k
Total performance (Multi thread): 4670k<1230<4770k

But an overclocked 4670k beats 1230 in all benchmarks and games @4.2Ghz and above.

 

[nikoli707]

i do see how the $230 1230 can be a benefit for someone who doesn't want to overclock but might want a cheap gpu to go along with the 4 core 8 thread cpu. many use 1230s and $100 hd7770s to do opencl/opengl rendering and get amazing results. thats the same price as an i7 unlocked but you get much more graphical horsepower on the same budget.

 

[leeb2013]

i cant for the life of me understand how a stock clocked e3-1230 could win in any benchmark compared to a 3570k@4.4ghz.

because it has 8 threads

 

[Zircoben]

I did chose an I5-3570k, but I should have chosen the Xeon E3-1230-V2 which I recently changed to. I've always had AMD for cheapness, but now wanted performance and efficiency.

The Xeon's are interesting. For $50 more than the top i5, you get a i5-i7 mix that is weird.

Have you found a significant boost in performance between the two because of the hyper-threading? Also, did you just stick the Xeon in your i5's motherboard?

Thanks!

actually, it was the same price as the I5-3570k. Just dropped it straight into my Z77 mobo, no changes nothing. RAM still o/c to 2400 (even though CPU says it supports 1333!).

The Xeon is an I7 without the integrated GPU (not used) and you can't o/c, otherwise it's a fully fledged I7.

Big difference in performance. I used to have my I5 running at 4.4GHz @ 1.14v, the Xeon beats it at almost everything at 3.4GHz, benchmarks, games, etc. I run the Xeon at 0.88v, it's very low power ~45W and never gets above 50C, even when running prime. I really don't know why I didn't get it initially, I just didn't consider a Xeon.

Games, like BF4, are taking advantage of 8 cores/threads, and more will in the future, driven by AMD and consoles. Watchdogs is recommending an I7 (although I think they recently down'd it to an I5) and one or two other future games have hinted at I7's.

Wow! That's pretty awesome. The two CPUs are literally within dollars of each other.

Why does the Xeon have lower single thread performance?

 

[JOOK-D]

I did chose an I5-3570k, but I should have chosen the Xeon E3-1230-V2 which I recently changed to. I've always had AMD for cheapness, but now wanted performance and efficiency.

The Xeon's are interesting. For $50 more than the top i5, you get a i5-i7 mix that is weird.

Have you found a significant boost in performance between the two because of the hyper-threading? Also, did you just stick the Xeon in your i5's motherboard?

Thanks!

actually, it was the same price as the I5-3570k. Just dropped it straight into my Z77 mobo, no changes nothing. RAM still o/c to 2400 (even though CPU says it supports 1333!).

The Xeon is an I7 without the integrated GPU (not used) and you can't o/c, otherwise it's a fully fledged I7.

Big difference in performance. I used to have my I5 running at 4.4GHz @ 1.14v, the Xeon beats it at almost everything at 3.4GHz, benchmarks, games, etc. I run the Xeon at 0.88v, it's very low power ~45W and never gets above 50C, even when running prime. I really don't know why I didn't get it initially, I just didn't consider a Xeon.

Games, like BF4, are taking advantage of 8 cores/threads, and more will in the future, driven by AMD and consoles. Watchdogs is recommending an I7 (although I think they recently down'd it to an I5) and one or two other future games have hinted at I7's.

Wow! That's pretty awesome. The two CPUs are literally within dollars of each other.

Why does the Xeon have lower single thread performance?

Ever so slightly lower clock speed.

 

[leeb2013]

I did chose an I5-3570k, but I should have chosen the Xeon E3-1230-V2 which I recently changed to. I've always had AMD for cheapness, but now wanted performance and efficiency.

The Xeon's are interesting. For $50 more than the top i5, you get a i5-i7 mix that is weird.

Have you found a significant boost in performance between the two because of the hyper-threading? Also, did you just stick the Xeon in your i5's motherboard?

Thanks!

actually, it was the same price as the I5-3570k. Just dropped it straight into my Z77 mobo, no changes nothing. RAM still o/c to 2400 (even though CPU says it supports 1333!).

The Xeon is an I7 without the integrated GPU (not used) and you can't o/c, otherwise it's a fully fledged I7.

Big difference in performance. I used to have my I5 running at 4.4GHz @ 1.14v, the Xeon beats it at almost everything at 3.4GHz, benchmarks, games, etc. I run the Xeon at 0.88v, it's very low power ~45W and never gets above 50C, even when running prime. I really don't know why I didn't get it initially, I just didn't consider a Xeon.

Games, like BF4, are taking advantage of 8 cores/threads, and more will in the future, driven by AMD and consoles. Watchdogs is recommending an I7 (although I think they recently down'd it to an I5) and one or two other future games have hinted at I7's.

Wow! That's pretty awesome. The two CPUs are literally within dollars of each other.

Why does the Xeon have lower single thread performance?

ah, just because in my case it was lower clocked (3.4GHz vs 4.4GHz), but at stock clocks it would be the same, like a I7-3770 (no K)

 

[Zircoben]

I did chose an I5-3570k, but I should have chosen the Xeon E3-1230-V2 which I recently changed to. I've always had AMD for cheapness, but now wanted performance and efficiency.

The Xeon's are interesting. For $50 more than the top i5, you get a i5-i7 mix that is weird.

Have you found a significant boost in performance between the two because of the hyper-threading? Also, did you just stick the Xeon in your i5's motherboard?

Thanks!

actually, it was the same price as the I5-3570k. Just dropped it straight into my Z77 mobo, no changes nothing. RAM still o/c to 2400 (even though CPU says it supports 1333!).

The Xeon is an I7 without the integrated GPU (not used) and you can't o/c, otherwise it's a fully fledged I7.

Big difference in performance. I used to have my I5 running at 4.4GHz @ 1.14v, the Xeon beats it at almost everything at 3.4GHz, benchmarks, games, etc. I run the Xeon at 0.88v, it's very low power ~45W and never gets above 50C, even when running prime. I really don't know why I didn't get it initially, I just didn't consider a Xeon.

Games, like BF4, are taking advantage of 8 cores/threads, and more will in the future, driven by AMD and consoles. Watchdogs is recommending an I7 (although I think they recently down'd it to an I5) and one or two other future games have hinted at I7's.

Wow! That's pretty awesome. The two CPUs are literally within dollars of each other.

Why does the Xeon have lower single thread performance?

ah, just because in my case it was lower clocked (3.4GHz vs 4.4GHz), but at stock clocks it would be the same, like a I7-3770 (no K)

Okay thanks! I found that fascinating. What is your overall opinion of AMD's APUs and FX CPUs, as Intel owners? Are they absolute crap or do you sometimes wish you had 8 true cores?

Thank you!

 

[leeb2013]

don't know about the APUs, but the FX CPUs are 'good value'. These days I've gone for performance and efficiency for a small cost premium, over my old days of low cost/reasonable performance (ie, AMD).

IMO, you may save a few $ and get pretty good performance from an FX for apps/games which use 7-8 cores, but you'll lose out for anything that only uses 1-6 cores, which is a lot. Plus, if you need that one extra fan in your case, or the next level up on fan speed (hence slightly more noise), then for me it's not worth saving a few bucks.

 

[maxalge]

I did chose an I5-3570k, but I should have chosen the Xeon E3-1230-V2 which I recently changed to. I've always had AMD for cheapness, but now wanted performance and efficiency.

The Xeon's are interesting. For $50 more than the top i5, you get a i5-i7 mix that is weird.

Have you found a significant boost in performance between the two because of the hyper-threading? Also, did you just stick the Xeon in your i5's motherboard?

Thanks!

actually, it was the same price as the I5-3570k. Just dropped it straight into my Z77 mobo, no changes nothing. RAM still o/c to 2400 (even though CPU says it supports 1333!).

The Xeon is an I7 without the integrated GPU (not used) and you can't o/c, otherwise it's a fully fledged I7.

Big difference in performance. I used to have my I5 running at 4.4GHz @ 1.14v, the Xeon beats it at almost everything at 3.4GHz, benchmarks, games, etc. I run the Xeon at 0.88v, it's very low power ~45W and never gets above 50C, even when running prime. I really don't know why I didn't get it initially, I just didn't consider a Xeon.

Games, like BF4, are taking advantage of 8 cores/threads, and more will in the future, driven by AMD and consoles. Watchdogs is recommending an I7 (although I think they recently down'd it to an I5) and one or two other future games have hinted at I7's.

Wow! That's pretty awesome. The two CPUs are literally within dollars of each other.

Why does the Xeon have lower single thread performance?

ah, just because in my case it was lower clocked (3.4GHz vs 4.4GHz), but at stock clocks it would be the same, like a I7-3770 (no K)

Okay thanks! I found that fascinating. What is your overall opinion of AMD's APUs and FX CPUs, as Intel owners? Are they absolute crap or do you sometimes wish you had 8 true cores?

Thank you!

A 8320/8350 is not a true 8 core, in the same way a 1055t is a true 6 core.

It is more like a 4 core with hyperthreading, the cores share some resources.

 

[Zircoben]

I did chose an I5-3570k, but I should have chosen the Xeon E3-1230-V2 which I recently changed to. I've always had AMD for cheapness, but now wanted performance and efficiency.

The Xeon's are interesting. For $50 more than the top i5, you get a i5-i7 mix that is weird.

Have you found a significant boost in performance between the two because of the hyper-threading? Also, did you just stick the Xeon in your i5's motherboard?

Thanks!

actually, it was the same price as the I5-3570k. Just dropped it straight into my Z77 mobo, no changes nothing. RAM still o/c to 2400 (even though CPU says it supports 1333!).

The Xeon is an I7 without the integrated GPU (not used) and you can't o/c, otherwise it's a fully fledged I7.

Big difference in performance. I used to have my I5 running at 4.4GHz @ 1.14v, the Xeon beats it at almost everything at 3.4GHz, benchmarks, games, etc. I run the Xeon at 0.88v, it's very low power ~45W and never gets above 50C, even when running prime. I really don't know why I didn't get it initially, I just didn't consider a Xeon.

Games, like BF4, are taking advantage of 8 cores/threads, and more will in the future, driven by AMD and consoles. Watchdogs is recommending an I7 (although I think they recently down'd it to an I5) and one or two other future games have hinted at I7's.

Wow! That's pretty awesome. The two CPUs are literally within dollars of each other.

Why does the Xeon have lower single thread performance?

ah, just because in my case it was lower clocked (3.4GHz vs 4.4GHz), but at stock clocks it would be the same, like a I7-3770 (no K)

Okay thanks! I found that fascinating. What is your overall opinion of AMD's APUs and FX CPUs, as Intel owners? Are they absolute crap or do you sometimes wish you had 8 true cores?

Thank you!

A 8320/8350 is not a true 8 core, in the same way a 1055t is a true 6 core.

It is more like a 4 core with hyperthreading, the cores share some resources.

Then why doesn't Intel advertise their i7 and Xeon hyperthreaded parts as 8-core?

 

[JOOK-D]

Because hyperthreaded cores aren't true cores either. The i7s and Xeons are still 4 cores + hyperthreading (work as effectively as ~30% of a true core).

However, their 4 true cores are far stronger than the FX cores, where intel's 4 cores often beat AMD's 8 'cores'. Add hyperthreading to that and intel takes the lead by far.

 

[Zircoben]

Because hyperthreaded cores aren't true cores either. The i7s and Xeons are still 4 cores + hyperthreading (work as effectively as ~30% of a true core).

However, their 4 true cores are far stronger than the FX cores, where intel's 4 cores often beat AMD's 8 'cores'. Add hyperthreading to that and intel takes the lead by far.

Then how does AMD call it an 8 core CPU while Intel calls theirs quad cores, when the Intels far outperform the AMDs?

Does that mean my quad core a10-5800k is in fact a hyperthreaded dual core?

Thank you!

 

[JOOK-D]

Because hyperthreaded cores aren't true cores either. The i7s and Xeons are still 4 cores + hyperthreading (work as effectively as ~30% of a true core).

However, their 4 true cores are far stronger than the FX cores, where intel's 4 cores often beat AMD's 8 'cores'. Add hyperthreading to that and intel takes the lead by far.

Then how does AMD call it an 8 core CPU while Intel calls theirs quad cores, when the Intels far outperform the AMDs?

Does that mean my quad core a10-5800k is in fact a hyperthreaded dual core?

Thank you!

Marketing. AMD's cores are not cores in the traditional sense as they share resources that are generally allocated to singular cores (this was a heated debate for a looooooong time). I wish I could tell you more but I'm not fully familiar with the architecture. Nevertheless they got away with releasing the first true "8 core" CPU, even though a quad core from intel can outperform it.

Your A10 is a different architecture to the FX's. I don't know enough to tell you whether they are 4 true cores. In any case, hyperthreading is limited to intel and doesn't crossover to AMD. I believe maxalge was just using it to draw a comparison between the 2 companies.

EDIT: And thanks for ending that long list of replies :lol:

 

[nikoli707]

the trinity cores in your a10 are true cores each with their own resources and cache... its a true quad core.

 

[Zircoben]

the trinity cores in your a10 are true cores each with their own resources and cache... its a true quad core.

Thank you! I'm glad I have a real quad core.

Intel really is the better choice for 95% percent of instances. The only exceptions might be a dirt-cheap HTPC with an Athlon 5350 APU maybe, and maybe... can't think of anything else. Agree?

After this thread, I really want to dump my brand new AMD build... Thank you for all the input!

 

[revanchrist]

the trinity cores in your a10 are true cores each with their own resources and cache... its a true quad core.

Thank you! I'm glad I have a real quad core.

Intel really is the better choice for 95% percent of instances. The only exceptions might be a dirt-cheap HTPC with an Athlon 5350 APU maybe, and maybe... can't think of anything else. Agree?

After this thread, I really want to dump my brand new AMD build... Thank you for all the input!

A10-7850K has a high performance/price ratio with its current price of $180. GPU wise, it matches R7 250 if you paired it up with a 2133Mhz RAM, especially after the latest driver 14.4 driver. Now if you pair up a i3 4130 ($125) and a r7 250 ($80), it sums up to a $205, which has similar graphics performance but weaker cpu performance. Thus Kaveri APUs is a good option for low budget PC. And it even consume similar or less power than a i3 + discrete GPU. But these only held true for the latest Kaveri line of APUs, not its predecessor. I'll not recommend any older gen of APUs even for low budget build.