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IMHO i would say that the Intel rig sucks, since it CAN'T keep up with the X2 processor. The 840EE with 4 virtual processor it's supposed to kick AMD's ass but I don't see that happening, so please, keep your bullshit for your self.
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>IMHO i would say that the Intel rig sucks, since it CAN'T
>keep up with the X2 processor. The 840EE with 4 virtual
>processor it's supposed to kick AMD's ass but I don't see
>that happening, so please, keep your bullshit for yourself.
Sorry but you are not seeing the proper picture. The AMD is failing to do all task reasonably. It's more or less ignoring the divx encoding which is an indication that the CPU is poorly designed for multitasking or heavy work loads.
When the test-crew are finished, if they say they tried everything to get the X2 to work on the divx thread, then AMD will need to take notice and maybe do a recall on the CPU. It will be a poor CPU otherwise as it wont be the multitasking CPU claimed to be from AMD.
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>keep up with the X2 processor. The 840EE with 4 virtual
>processor it's supposed to kick AMD's ass but I don't see
>that happening, so please, keep your bullshit for yourself.
Sorry but you are not seeing the proper picture. The AMD is failing to do all task reasonably. It's more or less ignoring the divx encoding which is an indication that the CPU is poorly designed for multitasking or heavy work loads.
When the test-crew are finished, if they say they tried everything to get the X2 to work on the divx thread, then AMD will need to take notice and maybe do a recall on the CPU. It will be a poor CPU otherwise as it wont be the multitasking CPU claimed to be from AMD.
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the os tells the processor what to do you dimwitted pig. if it puts the task on hold, the cpu listens. the cpu does not tell the os what to do. if youre going to ignore what is said to you, i strongly suggest you stop posting here. do you realize that in many of your posts, you say we as if someone else agrees, while not a single person here has agreed to a thing you have said. go back and cry to intel if you must.
>the os tells the processor what to do you dimwitted pig.
Stop making excuses. The CPU exectues instructions in memory. These instructions are feed into the cpu and it's upto the CPU to manage the way it runs the code. Both systems have the same priority on the tasks.
Even if the Intel is giving a seperate page of registers for the HT threads/tasks, it still doesn't excuse the AMD for ingorning the thread 99% of the time.
I personally believe there is a congestion issue with the AMD X2.
Lets wait for Tom to comment after the test.
Lets all cheer, as this is the first proper test of the AMD X2. It's is going to be sold as a multitasking CPU, so the results are showing its abilities, properly. Currently the Intel 840EE is doing a brillant job in balancing the load and maintainting quality results, the clear winner for professional system applications.
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Stop making excuses. The CPU exectues instructions in memory. These instructions are feed into the cpu and it's upto the CPU to manage the way it runs the code. Both systems have the same priority on the tasks.
Even if the Intel is giving a seperate page of registers for the HT threads/tasks, it still doesn't excuse the AMD for ingorning the thread 99% of the time.
I personally believe there is a congestion issue with the AMD X2.
Lets wait for Tom to comment after the test.
Lets all cheer, as this is the first proper test of the AMD X2. It's is going to be sold as a multitasking CPU, so the results are showing its abilities, properly. Currently the Intel 840EE is doing a brillant job in balancing the load and maintainting quality results, the clear winner for professional system applications.
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Bow Down (and pray to your God)<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Ned_Flanders on 06/05/05 11:15 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
Bow Down (and pray to your God)<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Ned_Flanders on 06/05/05 11:15 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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Are you really as dumb as you profess to be?
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>Even if the Intel is giving a seperate page of registers for
>the HT threads/tasks,
Ahem.. HU ?
>it still doesn't excuse the AMD for ingorning the thread 99%
> of the time.
Damn, I didn't know these AMD cpu's where so clever, that they could schedule their own threads. Silly me, thinking that was the OS kernel that did that.
>I personally believe there is a congestion issue with the
>AMD X2.
I personally believe you are a troll. And a stupid one at that. AMDmeltdown was a genius compared to you.
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>the HT threads/tasks,
Ahem.. HU ?
>it still doesn't excuse the AMD for ingorning the thread 99%
> of the time.
Damn, I didn't know these AMD cpu's where so clever, that they could schedule their own threads. Silly me, thinking that was the OS kernel that did that.
>I personally believe there is a congestion issue with the
>AMD X2.
I personally believe you are a troll. And a stupid one at that. AMDmeltdown was a genius compared to you.
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Before keeping wasting time arguing with what look like an ignorant user, can you please, and honestly list your background in computer technology? I means, if all your knowledge come from assumption, instead of experience, I suggest to read about CPU, logic, programming,...
Honestly, what do you think it will happen if there is nothing in memory to perform. I guess nothing. The way you are seeing thing, it is like the CPU would decide which instruction it will perform, bypassing programmed instruction. You see, the instruction in memory do not happen to be there. They were place there. Somebody wrote them, and in that case, they were not written with dual core. Hey, if the divx priority is set at low, instead of normal, and the system give him more time rather than on the WinRAR test, then there is something wrong too. Because, in critical operation, when critical task need more attention than other, and hyperthreading or the Intel CPU simply ignore that and set its own rules, that could lead to some serious problem.
The OS set the rules based on the apps prioroty settings. the CPU execute instructions the way they are sent to him and consequantly to the result of pasts instructions. Hey, if the CPU would decide which instruction to execute by itself, that would create quite a mess.. Unless they set the priority to normal in the divx encoding, which I doubt, the apps start in low priority and it is a normal behavior of the X2. If they set it at HIGH, as you stated, then all the other thread would have been jammed. Hey!, do a test, set the priority to high to one apps you'd start, like dvd shrink, let it encode a movie and try to use your others apps...You'll understand what is priority and what is the purpose of it!
I have a congestion issue with my nose.. it is because of AMD i'm sure..
Currently, the 840 is doing a crappy job at critical timed operation bypassing the rules set by the programs that it execute, making it a dangerous CPU to use in nuclear plants, in hospital for patient critical monitoring, and for everything that have to follow the priority set by the programmers. after all, they are the one that knows what the apps should do and when.. And considering the numbers of reboot the Intel as been victim, if there were somebody that was maintened in life and his vital function monitored by the Intel system, maybe Intel would have kill him!!
That's shocking news for Intel
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OMG, The X2 really sucks.
Someone should send THG info on BTX and the need for the BTX case and shroud.
Lets take the shroud off our car and drive it across the desert and see how long it takes to overheat, we can call that a stress test. We know it is going to overheat and fail as we know the shroud is very needed for that BTX heat sink pictured.
THG needs to fire the retards and hire people who know the standard and use it.
<A HREF="http://www.xtremesystems.org" target="_new">www.xtremesystems.org</A>
Someone should send THG info on BTX and the need for the BTX case and shroud.
Lets take the shroud off our car and drive it across the desert and see how long it takes to overheat, we can call that a stress test. We know it is going to overheat and fail as we know the shroud is very needed for that BTX heat sink pictured.
THG needs to fire the retards and hire people who know the standard and use it.
<A HREF="http://www.xtremesystems.org" target="_new">www.xtremesystems.org</A>
This is typical BS
The memory modules being used this time are from OCZ - 1 GB DDR400 (CL2.0-2-2-5) for the AMD platform
and 1 GB DDRII-667 (CL4.0-4-4-5) for the Intel system.
I am sure they ran the memory at DDR400 with those timings and the memory is rated at 667.
I can see they used OCZ and that usually run 3-2-2-4 up to 350FSB or so...
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050603/images/memory1.jpg
That is not what is pictured.
<A HREF="http://www.xtremesystems.org" target="_new">www.xtremesystems.org</A>
The memory modules being used this time are from OCZ - 1 GB DDR400 (CL2.0-2-2-5) for the AMD platform
and 1 GB DDRII-667 (CL4.0-4-4-5) for the Intel system.
I am sure they ran the memory at DDR400 with those timings and the memory is rated at 667.
I can see they used OCZ and that usually run 3-2-2-4 up to 350FSB or so...
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050603/images/memory1.jpg
That is not what is pictured.
<A HREF="http://www.xtremesystems.org" target="_new">www.xtremesystems.org</A>
He is a troll and is spewing the same garabe on the Anandtech forums, ignore this BestBuy Nub! My 4 yr old brother has a better understand of how computers works, and knows that the OS is responsible for task management not the cpu. I lost 5 Iq points from just reading his retarded posts.
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Makaveli on 06/05/05 09:12 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Makaveli on 06/05/05 09:12 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
rettihSlluB
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[[Sorry but you are not seeing the proper picture. The AMD is failing to do all task reasonably. It's more or less ignoring the divx encoding which is an indication that the CPU is poorly designed for multitasking or heavy work loads.
When the test-crew are finished, if they say they tried everything to get the X2 to work on teh divx thread, tehn AMD will need to take notice and maybe do a recall on the CPU. It will be a poor CPU otherwise as it wont be the multitasking CPU claimed to from AMD.]]
I wonder if Intel payed this guy to post all kind of bullshit in this forum.
OK, let's go to facts:
ALL reviews show that the Athlon X2 is the overall performance king when it comes to single AND multithreaded apps. So, whenever you want people believe that AMD is crap, PLEASE show proof of it: benchmarks or scientific statements.
The reason AMD isn't doing any good in the DivX benchmark it's because of a poor BIOS release from every mobo vendor. Anyhow, when Intel released HyperThreadshit a few years ago it sucked like hell because of the poor BIOS implementation and because there were no apps supporting it. Even, they had to come up with a new revision that enhanced HT, but why don't you mention that???.
It's happening with the X2 now, later, things will look far better than what you're seing now when new BIOS releases and apps support dual core processors . This means that things would look more better for AMD than what you're watching now.
Here are some reviews to refresh your mind:
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/pentiumd-820/index.x?pg=1
As you can see, Intel is getting fuc**d in the as* really hard by AMD.
...and if you still don't believe me about the BIOS issue, then here's a proof of it:
http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-17478-1945-x-x-x&body_pagenum=2
Read carefully before posting any nonsence as you usually do.
Well, as I said before, if you don't have any proof, please keep silence and cry alone.
P.S: Tell your Intel bosses to pay you more so that your facts can look more convincing next time. People over here are intelligent enough to know which processors has the performance lead, so please, try convince your self before posting crap in this forum.
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OCZ POWERSTREAM 600W PSU<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by bullshitter on 06/05/05 09:12 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
When the test-crew are finished, if they say they tried everything to get the X2 to work on teh divx thread, tehn AMD will need to take notice and maybe do a recall on the CPU. It will be a poor CPU otherwise as it wont be the multitasking CPU claimed to from AMD.]]
I wonder if Intel payed this guy to post all kind of bullshit in this forum.
OK, let's go to facts:
ALL reviews show that the Athlon X2 is the overall performance king when it comes to single AND multithreaded apps. So, whenever you want people believe that AMD is crap, PLEASE show proof of it: benchmarks or scientific statements.
The reason AMD isn't doing any good in the DivX benchmark it's because of a poor BIOS release from every mobo vendor. Anyhow, when Intel released HyperThreadshit a few years ago it sucked like hell because of the poor BIOS implementation and because there were no apps supporting it. Even, they had to come up with a new revision that enhanced HT, but why don't you mention that???.
It's happening with the X2 now, later, things will look far better than what you're seing now when new BIOS releases and apps support dual core processors . This means that things would look more better for AMD than what you're watching now.
Here are some reviews to refresh your mind:
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/pentiumd-820/index.x?pg=1
As you can see, Intel is getting fuc**d in the as* really hard by AMD.
...and if you still don't believe me about the BIOS issue, then here's a proof of it:
http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-17478-1945-x-x-x&body_pagenum=2
Read carefully before posting any nonsence as you usually do.
Well, as I said before, if you don't have any proof, please keep silence and cry alone.
P.S: Tell your Intel bosses to pay you more so that your facts can look more convincing next time. People over here are intelligent enough to know which processors has the performance lead, so please, try convince your self before posting crap in this forum.
My Beloved Rig:
ATHLON 64 FX 55
2X1024 CORSAIR XMX XPERT MODULES
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OCZ POWERSTREAM 600W PSU<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by bullshitter on 06/05/05 09:12 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
I never really disappeared, Just the THG forums have really been lacking the last few years, and the troll posters and nubs have just made me lose interest in coming here, I still always come to the forums atleast 1 once a day, but I don't post much, cause of the above mentioned reason!>Someone should send THG info on BTX and the need for the BTX case and shroud.
Yep, Frugger, Toms is ingoring the requirements for suitable cooling that is apart of case design on either new ATX and the better BTX and expected in using a modern P4.
Also you can get better heat transfer from the CPU to the heatsink if you use thermal paste rather than the thermal pad, supplied as standard, but we are testing off the shelf items and standard-issue.
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Yep, Frugger, Toms is ingoring the requirements for suitable cooling that is apart of case design on either new ATX and the better BTX and expected in using a modern P4.
Also you can get better heat transfer from the CPU to the heatsink if you use thermal paste rather than the thermal pad, supplied as standard, but we are testing off the shelf items and standard-issue.
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I dont see a problem with either these chips, yes sure the OS could be at fualt here. But wouldnt you guys say that if intel didnt produce hyperthreading in the first place paving the way for multi processor OS's and APP's we wouldnt have much use for dual core CPU's. I personly happy with the way intel introduced the HT concpet into the market allowing for other companies to produce software to match. Without this step dual core CPU's wouldnt be of much use to us. So dont go around saying that HT is nuthing more than a gimmick and be thankfull.
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I disagree, The K8 Cpu's were designed for Dual core from the start. Dual Cpus system were out before HT, Therefore the need for that kinda power was already there! I think Dual core cpu's will push the market in that direction, far more than HT did. I'm not saying HT doesn't have its uses, but if it was so great and useful, why wouldn't intel just stick with HT and not go dual core.
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But the K8 CPU's where not Dual. They OS's still saw them as 1 CPU. Yes sure there where Dual CPU systems about but then what OS's and APP's where those machines running on? Nuthing we would find usefull. And lets face it if intel didnt go HT and all consumers like us would have to run a rather expensive OS just so we could take advantage of a Dual CPU system. Not to mension games are not designed with server software in mind. There goes the whole gaming angle.
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