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My hope as a 3960X user: INTEL will eventually be able to put more than 8 performance cores in one package and be competitive again in HEDT so that AMD feels the need to release a non-PRO version of a Threadripper 7000 series. I need the cores, the PCIe lanes and the memory channels :)
 
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The question is if Socket AM5 will be able to attract Socket AM4 users, and I don't think it will. Let's say it's on average 25% faster per thread than the Ryzen 5000 series. The cost of a new motherboard and RAM in addition to the CPU makes that 25% cost an awful lot. Even a Zen 2 or Zen 1 user can drop in a Zen 3 CPU into their existing setup for a large to enormous performance gain for a relatively small price.

Also assuming that AMD is going to attempt to keep the same pace as Intel, the next 3 or 4 years should bring relatively decent to large increases in performance and efficiency across all segments each year, and the last thing most people want is to buy in at the start only to see each generation bring a large performance increase, as those of us who were Socket AM4 early adopters saw.

Combine this with increasing GPU supply and more people finally being able to see what their existing Socket AM4 setup can actually do, and I predict quite sluggish sales of AM5 systems.
 
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Maybe someone could get that Agner guy a sample ASAP or at least make use of the same methodology, as soon as it comes out.

That AVX-512 implementation is going to be interesting, considering Intel had just dropped them from their client-oriented lineup. Some solid numbers for IPC would also be nice.
 
"The five fives: DDR5, PCIe 5.0, 5nm, AM5, and 5.5 GHz+ "
lol, someone is excited about tech buzzwords

DDR5
a big meh !, people will still buy / stick with DDR4 platform and by the time there's mass production / price drop we'll be on DDR6

PCIe 5.0
Great ! except this is on a consumer platform where it's not needed & no products

5.5ghz+
400mhz boost would be impressive if it wasn't for people having to spend 800$ on new mobo+ddr5
 
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Alvar "Miles" Udell said:
The question is if Socket AM5 will be able to attract Socket AM4 users, and I don't think it will. Let's say it's on average 25% faster per thread than the Ryzen 5000 series. The cost of a new motherboard and RAM in addition to the CPU makes that 25% cost an awful lot. Even a Zen 2 or Zen 1 user can drop in a Zen 3 CPU into their existing setup for a large to enormous performance gain for a relatively small price.

Also assuming that AMD is going to attempt to keep the same pace as Intel, the next 3 or 4 years should bring relatively decent to large increases in performance and efficiency across all segments each year, and the last thing most people want is to buy in at the start only to see each generation bring a large performance increase, as those of us who were Socket AM4 early adopters saw.

Combine this with increasing GPU supply and more people finally being able to see what their existing Socket AM4 setup can actually do, and I predict quite sluggish sales of AM5 systems.
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You're probably right, if for no other reason than the bearish economy shift we've slid into. We knew this was coming, though.
AM4 will be 6 years old when AM5 launches. I consider the fact that we've been able to use the same platform for Zen, Zen +, Zen 2, and Zen 3 CPUs a testament to AMD's willingness to stay with the same platform, in part to ease builder's costs. Barring some major apocalypse, technology is always moving forward. The next 3-4 years always* brings major performance improvements in CPUs. If you play the 'wait and see' game, you'll just be constantly waiting.

I will definitely be upgrading to AM5. My Z370/i9-9900k has served me well but it's time for an upgrade. AM5 will bring major improvements and, with AMD saying that AM5 will be as long-lived as AM4, I don't mind spending some $$$ for something that will last. I'm not sure yet if I'll go full tilt though. I may go with a top end motherboard and middling CPU, for starters.

*We're gonna forget about AMD's Bulldozer and Intel's Pentium 4 releases. 😉
 
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domih said:
Thank you for this summary article.

My hope as a 3960X user: INTEL will eventually be able to put more than 8 performance cores in one package and be competitive again in HEDT so that AMD feels the need to release a non-PRO version of a Threadripper 7000 series. I need the cores, the PCIe lanes and the memory channels :)
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There is a non-PRO Threadripper 3990x with 64 cores and 128 threads, but its limited to supporting 265GB RAM (which isn't exactly a small amount), however the price tag behind this beast is pretty high.
More core CPU's are out there... problem is, they are WAY too expensive for the average user or even aspiring 3d artists (where hardware like this would definitely come in hand)... I'd prefer they drop the price tags to something that's actually affordable.
 
Is it my imagination or are the chiplets roughly the same size as zen 3? Shouldn't they be much smaller on the 5nm node? Does extra L2 cache account for that? All the rumors point to an 8 core ccd, but is there any chance they are hiding a couple of extra cores for a launch day surprise?
 
jp7189 said:
Is it my imagination or are the chiplets roughly the same size as zen 3? Shouldn't they be much smaller on the 5nm node? Does extra L2 cache account for that? All the rumors point to an 8 core ccd, but is there any chance they are hiding a couple of extra cores for a launch day surprise?
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We're expecting a revamped architecture with higher IPC, double the L2 cache, possibly double the L3 cache as well. Given the Zen 3 chiplets were only around 84mm^2, I would expect Zen 4 chiplets would be of a similar size overall.
 
kanewolf said:
Depends on the motherboard. My 300 series motherboard doesn't support 5xxx series CPUs. So I would have to swap motherboards. That would require a Windows install. I will pay for a 7xxx CPU. I can probably drop to a 7600 from the 1700 I have now.
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Actually you can if the motherboard vendor made the BIOS update that AMD did. Only downside is once you upgrade a 300 series to support 5000 series the 1000 series will no longer work and i think it is not downgradeable either.

And it would not "Require" a windows install, but just recommened one. I have transplanted dozens of hard drives into different PC's spanning many years apart form each other. Some transplant better than others (if Windows 10 uEFI and not encrypted and depending on SATA controller I usually have little issues and it just boots right up).
 
drtweak said:
Actually you can if the motherboard vendor made the BIOS update that AMD did. Only downside is once you upgrade a 300 series to support 5000 series the 1000 series will no longer work and i think it is not downgradeable either.

And it would not "Require" a windows install, but just recommened one. I have transplanted dozens of hard drives into different PC's spanning many years apart form each other. Some transplant better than others (if Windows 10 uEFI and not encrypted and depending on SATA controller I usually have little issues and it just boots right up).
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Having looked for a BIOS, my particular X370 doesn't have one.
And I will disagree with your not requiring a Windows install.
 
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"The Socket AM5 motherboards will expose up to 24 lanes of PCIe 5.0 to the user......, and leverage an additional four lanes of PCIe 5.0 to connect to the chipset"

AMBIGUITY? ie 8 LANES FOR CHIPSET? hmm?

i think u mean additional 4 lanes (total 28 lanes)...
...."(less expensive motherboards can use PCIe 5.0 to the chipset). "

U mean pcie 4.0? "
 
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The ( AMD Zen3)chips unseated Intel's best in every CPU benchmark, including taking the top of our list of best CPUs for gaming, as the company outclassed Intel's Rocket Lake in every regard.

But then Alder Lake happened. Intel's new hybrid x86 architecture, featuring a blend of big and powerful cores mixed in with small efficiency cores, pushed the company into the lead in all facets of raw performance and even helped reduce its glaring deficiencies in the power consumption department."

the final "and even helped reduce its glaring deficiencies in the power consumption department." defeats the purpose of the initial praise

anyone can win such pissing contests if they ignore the economic/practical boundaries of power, security & heat envelopes as intel obviously has.

i have no doubt they will wind things back quietly once the initial reviews have gained mindset currency.
 
msroadkill612 said:
the final "and even helped reduce its glaring deficiencies in the power consumption department." defeats the purpose of the initial praise

anyone can win such pissing contests if they ignore the economic/practical boundaries of power, security & heat envelopes as intel obviously has.
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What are you even talking about?!
12th gen uses less power while being faster (compared to 11th gen) , that's what the thing you quote means.
https://www.tomshardware.com/review...-i5-12600k-review-retaking-the-gaming-crown/3
As we can see, the Alder Lake chips consume far less power than the Rocket Lake chips — we measured a peak of 238W with the 12900K, while the previous-gen 11900K drew nearly 100W more during the same Blender workload.

Overall, Intel has reduced its power consumption from meme-worthy to an acceptable level. Besides, Alder Lake is much faster than its predecessor, earning it some leeway.
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TerryLaze said:
What are you even talking about?!
12th gen uses less power while being faster (compared to 11th gen) , that's what the thing you quote means.
https://www.tomshardware.com/review...-i5-12600k-review-retaking-the-gaming-crown/3
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Yeah, your quote, conveniently, misses the immediately preceding sentence, though:
Yes, Alder Lake still sucks more power than AMD's Ryzen 5000 series chips, but the arrival of the Intel 7 process does mark a big improvement.
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I'm planning to upgrade my ancient Z68 system once AM5 hits, I'm loooong overdue. I doubt anyone on AM4 has much reason to upgrade, but people like me who are in the market for a new computer will have plenty of reason to go with AM5 I think.
 
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King_V said:
Yeah, your quote, conveniently, misses the immediately preceding sentence, though:
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Still better than completely (and conveniently) missing the quote in the post you are referring to itself.
original quote I answered to:
"and even helped reduce its glaring deficiencies in the power consumption department."
and hey, look at that, the part you quoted confirms what I said.
"Yes, Alder Lake still sucks more power than AMD's Ryzen 5000 series chips, but the arrival of the Intel 7 process does mark a big improvement."
I didn't say that it is better than zen I said what the article says, that it's much better then the previous gen.
 
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kanewolf said:
Having looked for a BIOS, my particular X370 doesn't have one.
And I will disagree with your not requiring a Windows install.
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Not all had them.

And everyone as their opinion. Honestly Every clone to a new system, even making MBR Legacy Boot, converting to GPT and uEFI, and then moving them to newer hardware I haven't had issue. Only time I have ever seen a transplant go wrong was when i didn't do it. Had someone clone a 4th gen i7 to a 12 gen i7 but what they didn't do was remove old drivers for GPU and it kept crashing (old PC was GTX 600 series on a RTX 3000 series so yea they were old drivers form like 4 years ago). otherwise I have never had an issue but everyone does their own thing.
 
TerryLaze said:
Still better than completely (and conveniently) missing the quote in the post you are referring to itself.
original quote I answered to:
"and even helped reduce its glaring deficiencies in the power consumption department."
and hey, look at that, the part you quoted confirms what I said.
"Yes, Alder Lake still sucks more power than AMD's Ryzen 5000 series chips, but the arrival of the Intel 7 process does mark a big improvement."
I didn't say that it is better than zen I said what the article says, that it's much better then the previous gen.
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Ok, so what is the objection to the original quote you answered to? Yes it improved, but still hasn't caught up. Your quote didn't address anything.

Saying it has improved over Rocket Lake is damning with faint praise. Rocket Lake is a ridiculously low bar to set when it comes to power consumption.
 
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