AMD64 Pricing is shamefull

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I been a fan of amd. even in their bad days i went and bought their processors. now finally they have intel on the ropes. but they did what intel has been known best for push up the prices!i was expecting with the new cpu's they will replace the current top model price and so on. instead current remains the same, and they pushed the prices approx. $400 more. which is a lot. I dont know if u all agree with me here, but i for one if was to spend $800 euros on a 3800+ i would rather buy the new fx53 for socket939. to be honest i love amd still. but this pricing policy is shamefull.
 

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Have you noticed that the FX-53 is about 200$US cheaper than the P4EE, I don't think AMD are wrong with their pricing.

AMD were very aggressive on pricing in the past to get market share and sold in volume. They needed this to build their credibility/reputation. Today, they need profits to stay in business and to do so they have to MAKE money on each CPU they sold. Their pricing is good vs Intel pricing.

And check the Opteron pricing, it's very agressive versus Intel Xeon.

I think AMD pricing is even better than Intel pricing. Intel still sold their "crappy" Celeron at high cost. This is not fair for customers.

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I don't look at it that way. I see the top CPUs are priced high but not outrageous. It's always been that way. It's just that everything else is so cheap by comparison.

Do you remember when the Athlon 1000 was announced (see link)? It was priced at $1299 USD in quantities of 1000, while the Athlon 950 was $999 USD.

This was the only time that I recall AMD having a clock speed edge over Intel who was then having trouble producing 1 Ghz+ chips. Just as now, AMD similarly boosted the prices over their previous top end model. Their previous top model, the Athlon 850, was announced only 1 month earlier at the much lower initial price point of $849 USD.

The new Athlon 1000 release represented a $450 price boost. There were no incremental performance increases between the 850 and the 1000 as the 950 was announced simultaneously and the 900 was produced a little later (IIRC).

Athlon 1000 Announcement (March 6, 2000)
<A HREF="http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543_552~825,00.html" target="_new">http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543_552~825,00.html</A>

Athlon 850 Announcement (Feb 11, 2000)
<A HREF="http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543_552~764,00.html" target="_new">http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543_552~764,00.html</A>


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I do agree about preferring the FX-53 (939) route but we'll have to see what CPU pricing is like at the time Socket 939 is available.
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You can't expect them to replace the top models, that makes no sense.

Why would someone planning on buying a 3400+ be able to buy a brand new tech 939 3800+ at the same price? It's brand new and they know some people want it so it needs to be priced high at the start. That ensures that everyone who REALLY wants it will bring them more profit and a few people will buy them even if they can't afford them. Once they feel they got enough out of it they will drop down to what we see now for the 3000/3200/3400 but all new techs need to start higher than the current premium.
 

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In the past i agree new cpu's were above $1000. which was once again quite high. but recently they dropped a lot in price. thats a good thing for consumers. i did expect the new cpu's to be higher then the current non fx top model but not 2x higher! $400 to $800..thats a lot man. and i know that currently intel cant match amd. so amd freew illingly increasing the price cuz they got no real competition and they increased in such a way that they catched up their flagship processor the fx series. I'm an amd fan i will still buy amd64 but i was really hoping for the 2.4 ghz and waited for it long time. i was expecting it to be around $500.and really disappointed with their pricing.to be honest i never looked at intel offerings lately but now im checking them out. and for an amd fan to be checking intel offerings it says a lot about amd's pricing. and if u had that kind of cash would you buy 3800+ or the new fx53 in scoket 939. seing there is not much cash difference between them. i know i would.so in the end i think the pricing for non fx models currently released are way too high...
 

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You can't expect them to replace the top models, that makes no sense.
What are you talking about?!!!!

I didn't say anything about replacing models.

Did you mean to reply to Turmania?

I simply said it's not uncommon for AMD to bring a new model at a high price. Also, not only does the new price seem high compared to the current price of the prior top model but sometimes it's higher than even the initial price of that that prior model. I gave an example.

Basically, I said the same thing you did.


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ok lets calm down here, now how long have these chips been out? Not even aweek and all these people whining about high prices. Did you really want amd to drop thier brand new 939 chips to the s754 prices now? That would be suicide, they dont even have ramped up quantities of 939 chips and they wont even outnumber s754 chips till early next year.

It would be crazy for amd to just destroy the s754 line now, its got plenty of life left and its sitll the top of the line chips. You do realize there is nothing from intel over 3.4ghz, and you cant even buy those chips at all. So whats the big gripe here? The 939 chips are above in rating then a p4 chip, yet you expect amd to lower its prices so you can get what you want for cheap, to heck with making money lol. Dont get so worked up, prices wil come down as production ramps up and the transition to 90nm comes, becuase that is what amd wants to make mainstream. Right now, s754 is mainstream and is perfectly fine for most.

Id like to know what people that want lower prices think should be done. The 3500+ is about 100 more then the 3400+ (485 versus 385). s939 is an enthusiast platform at the moment, so it commands a price increase. Even as people cry about this prices are coming down, 485 is lower then it was a couple days ago. Prices havent even flattened out yet since more retailers are coming on board. Just give it time.
 

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You do realize there is nothing from intel over 3.4ghz, and you cant even buy those chips at all.
You might want to rethink the last part of that statement. Looks like these folks <A HREF="http://www.insight.com/site/search/index.cfm?GR=C-A&C=C-AD&M=351&A-A00035_a=A-A00035:::processor / Type:::pentium 4&A-ManufacturerName_a=A-ManufacturerName::: :::INTEL&OS=N&KT=T&SB=best&PS=10&P=1&A-A00040_a=A-A00040:::processor / Clock Speed:::> 3.0 GHz&NT=Left_Nav_Specifications" target="_new">link to Insight</A> have over 1000 boxed P4 3.4's in stock, at about $500 each.
 

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sorry i should reprhase then, cause i wasnt refering to northwood p4's, but the supposed current chip, prescotts. If you look on pricewatch, id like to see a listing for a p4 3.4 GHZprescott where you can actaully buy one. If there are any, they are very few in quantity. Since that listing you gave doesnt say, its most likely a northwood, I wasnt talking about them.
 

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I agree man, I have the same thing with BMW. I always loved their cars, had a 320D for a while, and i would like my next car to be a BMW again, but those new 645 Ci's convertibles, even though I love them to death, they are priced outrageously ! Seriously, >€100.000.. I guess I'll have to settle for an Audi A4, or VW Passat or something, cause BMW's pricing policy is shamefull :(

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Seriously?
The new chips are hard to produce on 130nm tech. Amd has to high price them, so they can supply the demand. I would be very supprised to hear that they can bin more than a few hundred a day. At the end of this month, Intel will come out with a new chip. This should start to take the preasure off.
You didn't really want to jump to new tech this soon anyhow right!
 

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Why would someone planning on buying a 3400+ be able to buy a brand new tech 939 3800+ at the same price?
AMD 's socket 939 CPU pricing is really shameful.

I didn't expect s-939 3800+ to cost as low as s-754 3400+, but I expected 3500+ not to cost more than 3400+ (at least not $50 more) and I thought 3800+ will be somewhat cheaper than FX53.

Why? <b>Because "Newcastle" A64s are lot cheaper to produce than s-754 and s-940 cpus, due to die-shrink.</b>

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newcastle are still on 0.13 tech i believe. the only reason they would be cheaper to produce is because they have half the cache of the clawhammer.
for the people whining about the price.... amd are in the business to make money. befor they sold cheap and in volume because that was how they could MAINTAIN market share. now they have a product which not only goes toe to toe with intels best it beats into the ground then pisses on it.. and you people think that amd shouldnt be allowed to charge similar prices to intel chips for this? you think intel are the only ones allowed to make a profit? grow up. amd can charge more for their a64 chips than they could for any other cpu AND STILL GAIN MARKET SHARE and thats what they are doing.. they are making money cos thats what business is about.
 

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firstly some of you defending amd's new pricing policy should at least know some basic econmics hence supply and demand. all the 940's and 939's are produced from .13 micron. so dont defend their pricing policy. if amd can't make profit from 3400's sold at $450US then they have a serious problem and will never make a profit. besides 939's with their die size reduced should be even cheaper than 940's.i do agree they have the best processor in the market today, and they made losses before. but there should be some commonsense. just to make a profit do you have to increase the price by 2 times? this is ridicolous and most of you guys whi defend this pricing plicy will never buy thoses chips i'm sure. if you intended u would be pissed off as much as i do. yes i waited for socket 939 since end of 2003. i was going to buy at the day it became available. but not with this pricing. i can afford the new processor. but i think amd made a terrible mistake, with this pricing, they are going to lose a lot of royal customers.in the end they can think of ripping of consumers but what goes around comes around and its going to hit them. shamefull pricing thats all to it.
 

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ok excuse me? its consumers with thoughts like that that i never understand. How about you realize somehting about economics. Amd already has chips hat compete at every level intel has out. Now they release chips that are above, rating wise, then anything intel has. Now why would they canibalize thier already competing products so soon, when they cant possibly supply enough chips at this very moment to cover all the s754 already out there? Hell, you cant even buy a motherbaord for a s939 yet so why is everyone crying about cpu prices? Have you not noticed even without boards the chips have come down slightly as days pass.

s939 is an enthusiast part as of now, that should come as no suprise. No matter what specs the chip has, its the newest and marketed as greatest, so obviously it will command the highest price when its first released. This is how new relases go. Once amd can ramp up production numbers, prices will come down.

Right now, I dont think its so stupid to let s754 keep up sales and let 939 command a price until they can produce enough to lower prices, they dont want s754 to die just yet. everyone knew amd wouldnt be out selling 754 with 939 until next year.
 

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enthuisast my a$$, since what determines the difference between $700US for 3700+(940) or $750US for 3800+(939) they are both enthusiast cpu's. the only thing for sure is amd will put more resources on 939.they just brought up the prices by double. and if you guys are fine with that policy, then i wont say anymore...but its wrong as they still use same production and even lesser die on new chips. they just copied what intel used to do back in the days. but times have changed even intel grown up on their pricing policy. say what you want but if i'm gonna spend $800 US on a processor then i rather buy the current top fx series. since price is almost the same, i buy the flagship processor. i do have a feeling new fx55 will come sooner maybe in july. and that probably will be sold over $1100 US.What amd is doing right now is compelete;ly changing the market with pricing. im curious what intel wil be upto will they match amd with pricing or will they keep the same format and put an extreme pressure on amd.amd is playing make or die game. they know they have loyal customers and they are ripping of that segment. im curious what will happen.
 

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first of all that 3700+ is for s754 not 940.

Secondly, why do you ignore my point. Please tlel me how mad can lower its prices for the s 939 lower then the s 754 chips and supply everyone with enough to match s754 s already out? where will they get this magical production numbers instantly? Give me a break, you know good and well that amd couldnt suddenly push out 500k-1 million s939 chips just like that. Im sure you heard the reports way before s939 came out that thier numbers wouldnt exceed s754 till next year. What you want is everything cheap so you cna buy one, well boo hoo that wont happen. In order to do that they would have to scrap s754 chips, and that would make a whole lot more people mad then whats happening now. Thats now how you do things. Since they cant ge tuspply high enough yet, thier newest chips are indeed enthusiast, so dont give me that crap that you dont think they are. You didnt eve say anyhting about the fact thier ARENT any motherboards for s939 anyway.

If you want somehting today, I suggest you go for s754, cause framnkly, those chips will make you happy. But if your keen on s939, dont ask for hand outs. I think the pricing makes since at the moment. The 3500+ makes since seeing as its a new socket and higher number.

Ill agree the 3700+,3800+ and fx-53 are strange numbers, all wihtin 50-100 of each other. Unfortunately, amd has no choice since they cant make them cheaper then current chips until they ramp up production numbers. The reason I think the 3700+ is so high too is becuase they dont want to price it lower then say the 3500+ if that would possible, then that would make no sense, and there wouldbe no reason to buy a 3500+. But just be patient, when there are actaully motherbaords to buy, like more then one, then youll see prices start to come down. Your right about another thing, the fx-55 is due in july, which is another reason is see the fx-53 so close to the others, it wont be around for long. AMD drops old fx chips once the new one comes out. One thing is for sure, they wont be 1100. Every fx has started around 800, this one wont be any different. BY the time the fx-55 comes, id say a 500 dollar drop on ther other chips isnt out of the question, maybe 100 for the 3700 and 3800, we will just have to wait and see.