Let's hope AMD's Radeon RX 6000 stock is better than the GeForce RTX 30-series.
AMD's Azor: No Ampere-Like Shortages for RX 6000 : Read more
AMD's Azor: No Ampere-Like Shortages for RX 6000 : Read more
I have a feeling since AMD cards were historically better for mining, if word gets out that RDNA2 is much better than Ampere, the miners will flock to these cards. If not the scalpers looking for yet another "investment"$10 there won't be Ampere-like demand for these either. Regardless, still not a smart thing for AMD to be saying. Just sounds like a challenge to the bot users. Unless retailers suddenly figured out how to combat bots, it won't be any different than Ampere.
some leaks say that the reviews will be released on Nov 7th , and the sell starts on Nov 11thThis is all nice and all but exactly when is Big Navi 6000 supposed to be released and for sale?
nvidia didn't take a gamble using Samsung lol... Samsung gave them a huge discount because everyone wants tsmc and Samsung is basically running at 25% capacity while tsmc is booked solid through 2022. Samsung NEEDED someone to use their fab and they could have easily made enough 3080s for everyone but nVidia kept the order small because Samsung's 8nm sucks.
I'm guessing 1 to 4 days after announcement (Nov 1)This is all nice and all but exactly when is Big Navi 6000 supposed to be released and for sale?
Update this article (and title) to show that Frank has denied making any supply guarantees.
Update: Frank has denied making any supply guarantees. The bet was only about it not being a paper launch. Because of this, we aren't sure what the bet was all about because NVIDIA launched with some volume as well - and technically wasn't a paper launch either.
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Frank Azor
Lol, I didn't say all that. You're hilarious. Appreciate the coverage and compliments though.
Usman Pirzada
Not sure I follow
RTX 30 isnt a paper launch too. It's just supply constrained. So what exactly did you bet for? PM? Ps: I'll add this tweet in as well.
Frank Azor
Not exactly. We'll discuss more after we actually launch. Talk is cheap right now, back to work.
I disagree. But sure. By that logic nvidia isn't a paper launch either. The distinction only lies in volume and that is clearly what the OG tweeter intended as well. If you bet it won't be a paper launch "like NVIDIA" - then you are emphasizing volume. Not the launch type.
Samsung uses Qualcomm SoC in its NA phones because its own Exynos SoCs (which it uses in some international versions of the "same" phones such as this year's S20+) are kind of sucky at 10-30% slower.Every Samsung phone since 1st Q 2019 has been using a SoC from that node ......
As an Electrical Engineer that has been working and designing with devices from Samsung's 8nm node for over 18 months you are full of sh*t ....... Every Samsung phone since 1st Q 2019 has been using a SoC from that node ......
As you note TSMCs 7nm node is booked solid and they can't even keep up with SoCs for Sony and Microsoft or Renoir CPUs for AMD and you have the Zen 3 line releasing so where the hell do you think AMD is going to find production time for a yet unproven GPU? Pull it out of Azor's behind?
As an AMD stockholder since 2009 I think AMD would be fools to push aside their proven money makers (Consoles SoCs and Zen CPUs) to make room for what is still a niche market share for them ...... Maybe next year after they have satisfied demand for their proven technology but yet this year? Don't count on it
You also have to admit that if there's no room on the 'lambo' factory to make more cars, being able to manufacture 'corvettes' is a reasonable alternative.Samsung 8nm compared to TSMC's 7nm is like comparing a corvette to a lambo. They are both damn fast cars, but you have to admit the lambo is sexier and a tad quicker thanks to Audi's tech/production lines.
AMD makes razor thin margins for Console SOCs. There is considerably more profit in separate dGPUs. Zen CPU's are the most profitable. That said, I believe AMD would be contractually obligated to supply Sony and MS with so many units by the Christmas time frame and per year. Otherwise there will likely be penalties involved.
Not necessarily: if TSMC's 7nm is so much better than Samsung in every way like it appears to be, then AMD should be able to cram similar performance into less silicon with less overall waste and cancel out the higher wafer price handicap.Which brings up an interesting point: If AMD is paying for the more expensive N7 wafers for RDNA2, it will have to either sell at higher prices or make substantially less profit per sale.
AMD is doing 10.3 billion transistors in 251mm square for Navi 10. That's 41 million per mm^2.Not necessarily: if TSMC's 7nm is so much better than Samsung in every way like it appears to be, then AMD should be able to cram similar performance into less silicon with less overall waste and cancel out the higher wafer price handicap.
Or it might be more cache vs. less cache.
That may change with Zen 3 and RDNA2 from process refinements and associated primitive libraries optimizations over the last year and change since the last round. Also, RDNA2 is supposed to be a fair bit more efficient than RDNA1, which could mean an increase in GPU performance per GTransistor.Nvidia crammed in way more transistors per mm^2 on N7 than AMD did.
As an Electrical Engineer that has been working and designing with devices from Samsung's 8nm node for over 18 months you are full of sh*t ....... Every Samsung phone since 1st Q 2019 has been using a SoC from that node ......
As you note TSMCs 7nm node is booked solid and they can't even keep up with SoCs for Sony and Microsoft or Renoir CPUs for AMD and you have the Zen 3 line releasing so where the hell do you think AMD is going to find production time for a yet unproven GPU? Pull it out of Azor's behind?
As an AMD stockholder since 2009 I think AMD would be fools to push aside their proven money makers (Consoles SoCs and Zen CPUs) to make room for what is still a niche market share for them ...... Maybe next year after they have satisfied demand for their proven technology but yet this year? Don't count on it
Nvidia massively increased the FP32 compute performance of Ampere compared to their prior architectures though. If the mining fad were to take off again, unless AMD happened to do something similar with RDNA2, it would likely be Nvidia's cards that would be more attractive to miners this time around.I have a feeling since AMD cards were historically better for mining, if word gets out that RDNA2 is much better than Ampere, the miners will flock to these cards. If not the scalpers looking for yet another "investment"
Most of the crypto-currencies that are still profitable on GPUs are RAM-hard, so the best GPU will likely have more to do with VRAM size, bandwidth and latency.If the mining fad were to take off again, unless AMD happened to do something similar with RDNA2, it would likely be Nvidia's cards that would be more attractive to miners this time around.