News AMD's latest Ryzen APUs trounce China's best home-grown gaming cards — Ryzen 8000G easily outperforms Moore Threads MTT S80 and S30

[Admin]

German publication Computerbase compares the Moore Threads MTT S80 and S30 graphics cards against some entry-level products, including AMD's Ryzen 8000G lineup.

AMD's latest Ryzen APUs trounce China's best home-grown gaming cards — Ryzen 8000G easily outperforms Moore Threads MTT S80 and S30 : Read more

 

[CmdrShepard]

I mean, is anyone surprised that an established GPU making company with 30+ years of experience and access to modern process nodes can beat Chinese GPU companies which are also under sanctions?

The title of this article is nothing more than boasting of shameless bullies -- "look what we can do when we have an advantage and then take extra steps to cripple competition".

Author should be ashamed for framing it like this, and there is plenty of shame left for U.S. government for using sanctions like this and forcing other countries to participate.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

I mean, is anyone surprised that an established GPU making company with 30+ years of experience and access to modern process nodes can beat Chinese GPU companies which are also under sanctions?

The title of this article is nothing more than boasting of shameless bullies -- "look what we can do when we have an advantage and then take extra steps to cripple competition".

Author should be ashamed for framing it like this, and there is plenty of shame left for U.S. government for using sanctions like this and forcing other countries to participate.

Not supposed to be political on this forum.

 

[hotaru251]

cpntineu

i know its meant to be "continue" but how the heck did a human typo that?? (this from a person who frequently typos)

 

[CmdrShepard]

Not supposed to be political on this forum.

Maybe they should be more careful when writing article titles then?

The current title reveals both the author's and the publication's political bias.

I'll tell you what I think would have been a fair and unbiased title:

AMD's latest Ryzen APUs outperform gaming cards from a sanctioned Chinese manufacturer

 

[Crazyy8]

I mean, is anyone surprised that an established GPU making company with 30+ years of experience and access to modern process nodes can beat Chinese GPU companies which are also under sanctions?

The title of this article is nothing more than boasting of shameless bullies -- "look what we can do when we have an advantage and then take extra steps to cripple competition".

Author should be ashamed for framing it like this, and there is plenty of shame left for U.S. government for using sanctions like this and forcing other countries to participate.

The point of the article is that AMD managed to fit a better graphics processor into a smaller package compared to a newcomer with full size GPUs. It doesn't matter that China is under sanctions, that's not the point of the article. I don't see you complaining when a GTX 1630 outperforms the MTT S80.

 

[JamesLahey]

We can’t discuss the sanctioning of Chinese tech firms and ignore the fact that they - as a bloc - rely on industrial and technical espionage to suddenly become competitive from nowhere.

That said, the supplied benchmarks here are interesting to people who may be looking at a non-discrete GPU laptop that can occasionally boot a gaming title.

 

[ohio_buckeye]

No matter your viewpoint on sanctions it’s interesting that these apus have come that far. When they can get them to gtx 1070-1080 performance then that will make things more interesting.

 

[Avro Arrow]

This isn't exactly a surprise. The first ATi video card I owned was back in 1988, literally 36 years ago. For Chinese purposes, as long as it reliably displays 2D imagery, that's perfectly usable. Only gamers like us truly care about 3D performance and while we are legion, we're still not the majority. Lots of people just play 2D games on platforms like Facebook (or whatever China's equivalent is) and the vast majority of computers are engaged in digital commerce, something that has no use for 3D acceleration whatsoever.

If there's anything that we've learnt over the years, it's that, given time, anyone can accomplish anything, especially in Asia. Before my time, anything made in Japan was considered garbage, when I was a kid, anything made in Taiwan was considered garbage and twenty years ago, anything made in China was considered garbage.

Now, Japan is the world-leader in technological advancement, Taiwan is the world-leader in integrated circuit production and China is the world leader in the production of everything else. It's only a matter of time before China catches up and for those who bemoan this, the blame can be squarely put on the shoulders of greedy corporations that moved all of the manufacturing jobs overseas. This lined the pockets of the rich, left millions of Americans unemployed and literally handed American trade secrets to the Chinese. None of what has happened in the last twenty years should be considered a surprise to anyone.

 

[kremenny]

Better still, keep ALL consumer GPUs out of Chinese hands. Cannot play foreign AAA titles
...keep ALL the bad influences out. The youths can focus on study and research to overtake the rest of the world technologically. Most popular titles are on mobile devices anyway.

 

[Crazyy8]

Better still, keep ALL consumer GPUs out of Chinese hands. Cannot play foreign AAA titles
...keep ALL the bad influences out. The youths can focus on study and research to overtake the rest of the world technologically. Most popular titles are on mobile devices anyway.

China in a nutshell

 

[CmdrShepard]

We can’t discuss the sanctioning of Chinese tech firms and ignore the fact that they - as a bloc - rely on industrial and technical espionage to suddenly become competitive from nowhere.

As far as I am concerned those are allegations unproven in court. US government had a chance to prove them but they said something along the lines of "we can't prove it because something... something... national security, but trust us, we are the good guys. China bad!"

Also, isn't it a bit rich for westerners like you to criticize China for theft, given that many western countries like US, UK, France, Germany, and other assorted colonizers got where they are now industrially and technologically by enslaving / exploiting people, and practically pillaging Africa, India, Asia, and Middle East?

They say "Yeah we did bad things, but what's done is done we can't fix it. Besides, we have changed".

Well guess what, they could fix it -- by returning all the stuff they stole and paying reparations. But that would diminish their superiority and advantage and then they wouldn't be able to stoke more bloody conflicts around the world to keep pillaging in broad daylight like they still do and couldn't say "China bad!" with a straight face anymore.