AMVA+ Panel, BenQ GW2270 - Issue with dark scenes in games. May need advice on replacement.

[Timekeepsonslippin]

First thing I should mention is I'm using an HDMI (GPU) to DVI (Monitor) wire. I'm not sure if a plain DVI wire could fix the issues I'm having with ghosting/blur, but I'm guessing it wouldn't.

If I replace this monitor, I like the 21.5" 1920x1080p models for the higher pixel density, larger models are cumbersome on my current desk, I can't see the whole monitor at once with bigger panels.

I've noticed in certain darker parts of games there will be either large or small portions of the screen that look perfect when you stop moving, but once you start moving they become darker in this unpleasant way, and then return to their intended brightness once you stop moving.

There's some examples on YouTube:

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g97urWo-u4
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtOJSRwkUI0
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3FgkezWSHU
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3UBVsvGYEE

I've read some reviews on higher priced VA panels and it sounds like either the reviewers didn't notice the issue, or it isn't present due to superior technology being implemented to get rid of this issue.

I'm assuming at this point that inexpensive VA panels, including this AMVA+ variant will inherently possess this flaw. If that is not the case however, and returning it for a replacement of the same model could result in not having this problem, I'd like to know, the image quality is very good in many ways, but this issue does bother me a good amount.

Besides this issue it does have ghosting due to poor response times, especially in darker scenes, which VA panels are known for. There is a noticeable blur even in brighter scenes, that I can live with I suppose. I currently have the impression that this particular monitor looks and functions better with AMA Overdrive turned off (image seems less shaky to my eyes), but it doesn't resolve the major issues.

I'm not sure if I should contact the manufacturer with this information, I don't know if they are capable of answering the question of if this is an issue that these monitors are expected to possess. It seems good for things like reading (due to the superior contrast over TN & IPS panels), watching slower paced movies, and looking at still images, not particularly good for games or fast movies, especially of they are of the stylistically dark variety. Although the contrast of VA panels does make it so there is very little glow compared to TN or IPS panels, I've also experienced some "black crush", where it seems like there is a loss of detail in darker scenes, although you could consider this a feature that makes everything kind of moody.

If I were to go for an IPS panel I'd probably have to pay more for similar image quality I assume, and put up with some IPS glow. It sounds to me like this VA panel is a pretty good deal for the quality you get in general image-wise, but there's just those few issues related to ghosting/blur that are making me second-guess this purchase. I'm still within the 30-day period since purchasing it but I'd need to decide not too long from now what I'm going to do. I have also considered getting a TN monitor, although the experience with this model and its deep blacks combined with much improved colors makes me wonder if I'd regret it.

I've enjoyed my share of competitive gaming in the past in some online games, so I'd benefit from the response time, but I'm not sure if it's enough reason to not opt for an IPS monitor. If whatever cheap IPS monitor I get in the same price range, has noticeable blur or input lag where I'd otherwise see a solid image on a TN panel, I might opt for the TN in spite of the color quality reduction. From what I heard you might need to pay a few hundred or so to make IPS worth the price difference compared to the value a cheap TN is able to provide.

I do indeed like that I can be standing or squatting with this VA monitor and not have to adjust the screen at all to enjoy what I'm watching. TN's do suck for that, but I also notice blur easily, and I've no experience with IPS monitors so I'm not sure how bad the blur/ghosting might be. From what I've seen it can vary from model to model, and lower cost ones are more likely to have issues (perhaps there is a model around the same price that is great though?), whereas you can be pretty much certain that a 1ms TN that you buy for around the same price as my current model won't give you issues. I suppose the only way to know how well IPS models work is to go into a store and try it out, assuming I can conduct some proper tests with games or something.

Anyway, this is long enough, hope to get this sorted.
Thanks to anyone who reads this.

 

[Timekeepsonslippin]

No replies I guess.

Anyway, I decided after tons of deliberation since before I bought this last monitor, and in the week I've had it, including much additional thought over the last day, that I'm going to replace this GW2270 with this one:

AOC G2260VWQ6 - http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824160275

Normally $320, but I'm paying $150 CAD instead.

I figure my major issue with this VA panel (besides the dark areas becoming darker and lighter depending on if I was moving in a game, caused by it being a VA panel I assume, perhaps because it was on the cheap end) was with the intense ghosting/blur, and that since I've seen IPS panels can have noticeable ghosting/blur based on my research (and I've always had pretty good vision I reckon, never needed a prescription), I'd rather play it safe and have a totally smooth, solid image at the cost of color quality, contrast and viewing angles. It sounds like it's also possible to get an IPS panel with severe IPS Glow issues at the lower price ranges, and it can happen even at the higher ones if you are unlucky enough to get a dud, or if a particular model is just generally flawed.

I figure, at some point I'll probably have enough money to invest in a 2nd monitor, that being a decent quality IPS, and I'll be free to wait around looking for good deals similar to the one I found today, while I in the mean time enjoy the ability to kick some butt in online games, with the lowest possible delay (other than if I were to pay twice the price for a similar monitor that has 144hz instead of 60hz).

I may even decide to upgrade from this monitor to a 144hz TN at some point, although I'm curious what the Freesync feature of this new monitor is like, I might not even feel the need to bother.

Who knows, by the time I get around to thinking about getting that IPS monitor, OLED displays might be reasonably priced.
Sure would be nice to some day get a 4K 144hz OLED once they're not too pricey, probably around the time the rest of the components I need to drive a 4K monitor at 144hz become reasonably priced.

Anyway, the monitor coming is exactly what I wanted for my rather cramped desk, anything larger than a 21.5" screen is too big for me to focus on the whole thing at once due to how close I've to sit, and I also love the increased pixel density on the smaller monitor. It's definitely noticeable how much less far I've to sit before the pixels become hard to distinguish compared to a 24".

I really liked the color quality on this VA panel, and the dark contrast was nice to watch some shows on (it may even be the best technology out of the 3 for reading, because of the superior black/white contrast and "inky blacks", making it awesome for a writer, if I'm right), but I think I can live with TN for now. I've heard TN color quality has gone up over the years, almost to the point of being able to rival IPS monitors, though perhaps that's just wishful thinking. It could also have something to do with a feature that the monitor I'm getting does not possess.

One thing I've been wondering about is how much clearer text would look if the screen were glossy instead of matte... reflections suck, but if the environment you're using it in is not too abrasive on the eyes, it could be worth it.

Enough of my rambling, bye!

 

[scorpio_16_aly]

First thing I should mention is I'm using an HDMI (GPU) to DVI (Monitor) wire. I'm not sure if a plain DVI wire could fix the issues I'm having with ghosting/blur, but I'm guessing it wouldn't.

If I replace this monitor, I like the 21.5" 1920x1080p models for the higher pixel density, larger models are cumbersome on my current desk, I can't see the whole monitor at once with bigger panels.

I've noticed in certain darker parts of games there will be either large or small portions of the screen that look perfect when you stop moving, but once you start moving they become darker in this unpleasant way, and then return to their intended brightness once you stop moving.

There's some examples on YouTube:

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g97urWo-u4
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtOJSRwkUI0
3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3FgkezWSHU
4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3UBVsvGYEE

I've read some reviews on higher priced VA panels and it sounds like either the reviewers didn't notice the issue, or it isn't present due to superior technology being implemented to get rid of this issue.

I'm assuming at this point that inexpensive VA panels, including this AMVA+ variant will inherently possess this flaw. If that is not the case however, and returning it for a replacement of the same model could result in not having this problem, I'd like to know, the image quality is very good in many ways, but this issue does bother me a good amount.

Besides this issue it does have ghosting due to poor response times, especially in darker scenes, which VA panels are known for. There is a noticeable blur even in brighter scenes, that I can live with I suppose. I currently have the impression that this particular monitor looks and functions better with AMA Overdrive turned off (image seems less shaky to my eyes), but it doesn't resolve the major issues.

I'm not sure if I should contact the manufacturer with this information, I don't know if they are capable of answering the question of if this is an issue that these monitors are expected to possess. It seems good for things like reading (due to the superior contrast over TN & IPS panels), watching slower paced movies, and looking at still images, not particularly good for games or fast movies, especially of they are of the stylistically dark variety. Although the contrast of VA panels does make it so there is very little glow compared to TN or IPS panels, I've also experienced some "black crush", where it seems like there is a loss of detail in darker scenes, although you could consider this a feature that makes everything kind of moody.

If I were to go for an IPS panel I'd probably have to pay more for similar image quality I assume, and put up with some IPS glow. It sounds to me like this VA panel is a pretty good deal for the quality you get in general image-wise, but there's just those few issues related to ghosting/blur that are making me second-guess this purchase. I'm still within the 30-day period since purchasing it but I'd need to decide not too long from now what I'm going to do. I have also considered getting a TN monitor, although the experience with this model and its deep blacks combined with much improved colors makes me wonder if I'd regret it.

I've enjoyed my share of competitive gaming in the past in some online games, so I'd benefit from the response time, but I'm not sure if it's enough reason to not opt for an IPS monitor. If whatever cheap IPS monitor I get in the same price range, has noticeable blur or input lag where I'd otherwise see a solid image on a TN panel, I might opt for the TN in spite of the color quality reduction. From what I heard you might need to pay a few hundred or so to make IPS worth the price difference compared to the value a cheap TN is able to provide.

I do indeed like that I can be standing or squatting with this VA monitor and not have to adjust the screen at all to enjoy what I'm watching. TN's do suck for that, but I also notice blur easily, and I've no experience with IPS monitors so I'm not sure how bad the blur/ghosting might be. From what I've seen it can vary from model to model, and lower cost ones are more likely to have issues (perhaps there is a model around the same price that is great though?), whereas you can be pretty much certain that a 1ms TN that you buy for around the same price as my current model won't give you issues. I suppose the only way to know how well IPS models work is to go into a store and try it out, assuming I can conduct some proper tests with games or something.

Anyway, this is long enough, hope to get this sorted.
Thanks to anyone who reads this.

it's related to HDMI RGB PC Range must set to 0-255 not 16-235 from Monitor settings then from nvidia if you have amd i dunno if they have such option. i have same imput as yours mini hdmi gpu to dvi monitor. The Benq monitor was perfectly fine but for future users with related problems this answer should be good enough! (sorry replying after more than 1 year)