And a10 5800k OC v Ryzen 3 1200

[dagsyo]

Hey all,

My machine hasn't been updated in about 5 years and I am thinking of finally making an update. I mostly use it for general computing, some video encoding, and I want to to be able to do some light gaming. Gaming is where the upgrade comes in. I would like to be able to play games at 1080p with manageble frames. I don't necessarily need 60. I am currently running an OC'd AMD a10 5800k clocked at 4.3 GHz with no discrete video card. It's fine for most of what I do but based on all of my research even the low end of current gpus would outstrip my CPU, although most the benchmark data I can find on my chip is based on the stock clock.

I am trying to keep my upgrade as cheap as possible and was considering the Ryzen 3 1200 paired with a gtx 1050 ti. I am going to keep my current case, ssd, and psu to keep cost down. I know there are some much better Ryzen chips than the 1200 but my local micro center is offering the 1200 at $69.99 and are still offering a $30 discount when purchased with a an Asus micro atx b350 Mobo. I could get the CPU and Mobo combined for $119. $104 with the rebate on the Mobo.

My main question is if the Ryzen 3 1200 would be a significant performance increase over my current CPU with regards to gaming and how relative the 1050 ti would perform with either chip. If my current chip can handle the 1050 then I can delay the system upgrade for another year or so.

 

[WildCard999]

What about going with the 2200G (vega 8 iGPU)/B350 MB & DDR4 RAM? It would be a bit cheaper then getting a dedicated card and it's much better then your old APU.
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-Vega-8-Ryzen-iGPU-vs-AMD-Radeon-HD-7660D/m441833vsm7929

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-3-2200G-vs-AMD-A10-5800K-APU-2012-DTr/m441832vs2007

 

[feelinfroggy777]

It would be a night and day difference. The 1200 is about 50% faster than your A10 chip and the 1050ti is exponentially faster than your iGPU. I would not think twice about it.

 

[gasaraki]

I would get the Ryzen 2200G instead of the Ryzen 3 1200. Or get the Ryzen 2400G and skip on the 1050Ti even though the 1050Ti combo might be a little faster.

The Ryzen 3 1200 is no good compared to the 2200G.

My suggestion to keep the costs low: Get the Ryzen 2200G and a B350 mobo and skip the video card completely. Use the onboard video to get decent 1080 gameplay then upgrade to a dedicated video card in the future.

 

[jojesa]

Could you post your current system components.

I don't think there will be a noticeable difference between the CPUs.
I would just get the GTX 1050 ti and keep the current components.
If you change mobo + CPU then you also need RAM.

 

[feelinfroggy777]

The 2200/2400g are not bad CPUs. But you really cant compare it to a rig with a 1200 and a 1050ti. The rig with the 1050ti will give you double the fps over the 2400g. Considering the 1050ti is a 1080p/medium settings card, there is a big drop off from the budget card to the 2400g.

For me, I would only go for the 2400g if it was a short term fix or if gaming was not a priority.

 

[dagsyo]

Thanks for the quick replies. I have considered the 2200g; I think the 2400g isn't quite a good enough deal with local pricing at $169 based on my research that the gpu side of the chip is only marginally better than the 2200g. My local shop isn't offering combo discounts on either of the g chips yet either so to get the 2200g at $99 as opposed to the 1200 would actually be a $60 swing. I thought maybe putting this $60 towards a discrete card I might be better off in the long run. I was also planning on only getting 8gb of ddr4 and since the igpu in the 2200g would need to use system memory I was worried 8 gb would not be enough. If I had to go up to 16 gb of ram while using the 2200g that would also significantly increase the cost of that option although it would avoid a future upgrade. Also is the CPU side of the 2200g the same at the 1200?

2200g ($99) + 8 gb ddr4 ($109) + Mobo ($80) = $288

1200 ($69) + 8 gb ddr4 ($109) + Mobo ($80) - combo discount ($30)+ gtx 1050 ti ($209)= $437

But if I have to use 16 gb on 2200
2200g ($99) + 16 gb ddr4 ($189) + Mobo ($80) = $368

 

[dagsyo]

Also my current specs are:
460 watt cooler master psu
AMD A10 5800k OC'd to 4.3 GHz (after market air cooler)
Cooler master micro atx case
Msi a75 fm2 Mobo
2x4gb ddr3 1600 ram
Samsung 830 ssd + 1.2 TB hdd

 

[feelinfroggy777]

Thanks for the quick replies. I have considered the 2200g; I think the 2400g isn't quite a good enough deal with local pricing at $169 based on my research that the gpu side of the chip is only marginally better than the 2200g. My local shop isn't offering combo discounts on either of the g chips yet either so to get the 2200g at $99 as opposed to the 1200 would actually be a $60 swing. I thought maybe putting this $60 towards a discrete card I might be better off in the long run. I was also planning on only getting 8gb of ddr4 and since the igpu in the 2200g would need to use system memory I was worried 8 gb would not be enough. If I had to go up to 16 gb of ram while using the 2200g that would also significantly increase the cost of that option although it would avoid a future upgrade. Also is the CPU side of the 2200g the same at the 1200?

2200g ($99) + 8 gb ddr4 ($109) + Mobo ($80) = $288

1200 ($69) + 8 gb ddr4 ($109) + Mobo ($80) - combo discount ($30)+ gtx 1050 ti ($209)= $437

But if I have to use 16 gb on 2200
2200g ($99) + 16 gb ddr4 ($189) + Mobo ($80) = $368

For a budget system you should not go with more than 8gb of RAM. Your system will see better performance by using the extra money on a better GPU. The system with the 1050ti will get twice as many fps in games for less than twice as much as the 2200g system. So if your are looking at price vs performance, then the 1050ti system is the way to go.

 

[jr9]

2200G is 10% faster then the Ryzen 3 1200. If you have no graphics card you could start with a 2200G and it would be a big upgrade all around and you could add a cheap graphics card later easily if you could afford to. If not it would be better to go with something like:

Ryzen 3 1200, 8GB RAM DDR4, Mobo, GTX 1050 Ti

You only lose 10% performance not getting the 2200G but you gain 85% in GPU power getting a graphics card. The a Ryzen 3 1200 is way faster then what you have.

If it's a budget system don't worry about only having 8GB RAM unless you are playing something like PUBG and are having low RAM issues.

 

[dagsyo]

Thanks for all of the replies again. I am definitely going to go Ryzen 3 12 + discrete card. I could also go to a non ti gtx 1050 or an Rx 560 to save some $40 or so. Any thoughts on that route?

 

[feelinfroggy777]

I would go with the 1050ti. The 4gb of VRAM on the 1050ti will allow it to be capable for a longer period of time. I dont think it is wise in 2018 to get a GPU with less than 4gb of VRAM.