Another difficult choice i have to make.

scottchen

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I just sold my comp again, I had a Ti4200 in that, hoping price of r9800pro would drop soon so I could pick up one of those. But now I don't have a video card, so my current top picks are,

Gigabyte Radeon 9800pro for $239CDN, or an Albatron FX5900PV(400/850), for $149CDN.

I doubt if the 9800pro's worth the 90 dollars difference, and the FX5900's bios could be flashed to FX5950U's bios. So question is, I haven't been following the video card news, just wandering if the R420 is worth waiting for, massive performance difference? Or is price of R9800pro's gonna drop by 50%?

Thx for the help

I hate my TI4200.
 

cleeve

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First off, don't expect prices to drop that dramatically. They wopn't on the 9800 PRO, because the 9800 PRO isn't top tier anymore. If any price changes notably, it'll be the 9800XT.

Flashing the 5900 to 5950 offers no real performance gain from what I've seen (over just overclocking), so it's for people who want their card to show up as 5950's.

for $90 canadian there's still a case for the 9800 PRO if you play certain games, of if you're an AA/AF afficionado. But the 5900 is certainly attractive at that price.

On a side note, where the hell can you get a 9800pro for $239 cdn?

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scottchen

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supercom.ca, that's a distributor. My company buys in mass we get them at that price. And the bios flash does increase the VGPU from by .08V, and VDDR by .1

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scottchen

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I can live without aa/af just running at 12**x10** something res will satisfy my eyes. Anybody know the performance boost from 9800XT to the R420? I'm thinking about just buying that 5900, since it's a decent card but for 150 you really can't lose. And maybe when the new cards comes out, after they fix the bugs and revise the cards a few times I'll buy one of those.

I hate my TI4200.
 

cleeve

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Damn. So a guy like me, I couldn't buy either card at those prices. You, sir, are a $#@%$ for posting them then... :p

Nobody will know the performance boost until the cards are released & reviewed, my friend... anybody who tells you otherwise is likely a fanboy or a marketing rep (neither of which really know).

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Truely YOU won't see much price movement I don't think, those deals are very close to the best you will see (that's equivalent to about $180US), and while the retial prices will drop somewhat I doubt that the business to business deals will get much better, they will simply dry up IMO.

The FX5900PV is seen as a cheap R9600Pro competitor and thus likely priced to move (probably at somewhere close to a loss [like the old R9500Pro]), and that's why it has a much lower initial price, also it's a 'newer card' in theory being released with the latets generation.

I would suggest that considering your prices get the FX5900PV (which is the SE/XT really) as the price difference is significant, and the performance difference will be minor in many games (5-10%) and the games that there is a large performance difference, will play better on the next generation of cards with everything turned up and good resolutions.

So get the FX if you plan on taking this money and putting it towards a next gen later and selling your card once the new cards are out and a little cheaper. But get the R9800 if this is your last card for a 1+ years. That's my view from the seats, that aren't quite as cheap as your discount. :tongue:

If you can and want to wait for the R420/NV40 then those will probably ROCK hard and make the R9800/FX5900 looks like the performance difference between the R9800P-9600P and FX5900U-FX5700U (IMO), but I doubt you will get them for much below $400CDN initially regardless of discount, and would have to wait for the summer to get them for a good cheap price.


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scottchen

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Thx ape for the help, I think i'm just gonna go with the FX5900 and wait 'til the new cards' prices becomes acceptable. Somewhere under 400 bucks is when I think i'll pick one up.

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scottchen

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The prices i get them aren't THAT low, there are cheaper distributors but they require to buy in mass of over 250 every time. We can't afford to take that risk.

BTW don't call me sir, i'm only 16.

I hate my TI4200.
 
If it's a full FX5900non-pro, then all the better.

You can see the difference between model here (you may already have seen this);

<A HREF="http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/ati-nvidia-roundup.html" target="_new">http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/ati-nvidia-roundup.html</A>

But the difference isn't worth the substantial savings you can get IMO.

Enjoy, and more new chip info comes out every day. Heck by the looks of things the FX5900 should be able to hold you over until the R450/480 and NV45 (or better) arrive, which should be substantially better than the FX5900/R9800PRo.

BTW, Let us know your first impressions. I'd be interested in seeing what you notice 2D image wise with the better RAMDACs, and whether the implementation of DX9 features in the games you currently play is impressive or not (I didn't play the neweer games on my older card as I got this thing so long ago (almost a year now).

BTW, are you selling your GF4ti? Check out FutureShop and NCIX's prices for some of them and you may be able to pay for your replacement in full if you find the right buyer for your old card, you lucky Ba$t4rd! :lol:


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scottchen

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thx for the help ape, and I've already sold my old setup, it's as following

Intel 2.4C clocked at 3.6Ghz 1200FSB
2x512 PC3200 Hynix ram
Abit IC7 Max3
Asus Ti4200
WD 36G raptor
Liteon DVD combo drive

That plus a watercooling setup.

In total got about 1900 dollars without monitor. I paid about 1300 for it.

My new system, I went with an Athlon64 3200+.

I hate my TI4200.