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Hi Guys,

I'm getting a P4 3.0E, Might not even overclock this time. I like Abit or
Asus so what do you guys recommend?

I'll be running 1 gig of ram and would also appreciate a recommendation for
dual channel ram, again prolly won't overclock

thx

bob


ps: don't flame me for posting in the overclock NG. I've been here since
the Celery 366@550 days

 

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I just built a system around an Abit IS7-E. I like it. 4 dimm slots for dual
channel (so you can upgrade later) Takes Prescott cores. Network, sound, USB
2.0 (8 of them total), AGP 8X.

And I overclocked very nicely, just in case you get the urge. Not a bad
price either.

Oh, I guess I'm assuming you wanted Socket 478 not LGA.

Pat


"Bob Snelgrove" <steelgtr_95127@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Hi Guys,
>
> I'm getting a P4 3.0E, Might not even overclock this time. I like Abit or
> Asus so what do you guys recommend?
>
> I'll be running 1 gig of ram and would also appreciate a recommendation
> for
> dual channel ram, again prolly won't overclock
>
> thx
>
> bob
>
>
> ps: don't flame me for posting in the overclock NG. I've been here since
> the Celery 366@550 days
>
>

 

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Oh, I used a Mushkin kit for 1 GB of RAM. This one here.

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-146-299&depa=1

I'm running it at 206 MHz right now. It could go higher I'm sure. But I'm
happy with my system where its at.



"Pat" <none@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:41b4a50f$1_1@127.0.0.1...
>I just built a system around an Abit IS7-E. I like it. 4 dimm slots for
>dual channel (so you can upgrade later) Takes Prescott cores. Network,
>sound, USB 2.0 (8 of them total), AGP 8X.
>
> And I overclocked very nicely, just in case you get the urge. Not a bad
> price either.
>
> Oh, I guess I'm assuming you wanted Socket 478 not LGA.
>
> Pat

 

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"Bob Snelgrove" <steelgtr_95127@yahoo.com> wrote in message...
> I'm getting a P4 3.0E,

Why? Have you tried to get hold of a 3.0C? If you can find one, you'd be
better off both in performance and heat control terms.

> Might not even overclock this time.

Eh? Given that you're asking in an overclocking newsgroup it's now a little
difficult to know what context to answer your questions in. If you don't
care about overclockability it doesn't really matter what you buy, does it?
Virtually anything will work stably at default speeds...

Given the Prescott's prodigous heat output, not overclocking it will, if
nothing else, save you some time and money investigating thermal solutions.
However, given this CPU design's disappointing performance at default
speeds, you'll need to overclock it to maximise the investment involved in a
new CPU-motherboard-memory package.

> I like Abit or Asus so what do you guys recommend?

Yes, they're good. If you're not overclocking though you could buy just
about anything and it'll perform about the same. Why not look at Intel's own
motherboards?

> I'll be running 1 gig of ram and would also appreciate a
> recommendation for dual channel ram,

Yes, dual channel RAM is recommended. Seeing as you haven't told us whether
you're going for a Socket 478 or 775 solution, and thus haven't told us
whether you're interested in DDR or DDR2 memory, it's impossible to make any
specific suggestions, but...

> again prolly won't overclock

In which case it again doesn't really matter what you buy, does it?

> ps: don't flame me for posting in the overclock NG. I've been here
> since the Celery 366@550 days

Sorry Bob, I don't care how long you've been here, this somewhat quixotic
post belongs in the "Ask a stupid question, expect a stupid answer" column.
On the one hand you imply that you're not after getting the most performance
you can from whatever you buy, so why, in that context, does component
choice make any difference at all? Given the name of this newsgroup, do you
honestly think many of us here have lots of experience running stuff at
*default* speeds?

If you're not going to overclock, you don't have to waste our time asking
this stuff, all you have to do is look through the various websites, find a
motherboard with the feature set you want, and buy one. If you want to know
what a good overclocking platform would comprise, or indeed how well a
specific component overclocks, that's the point at which we may be able to
share some experience.
--


Richard Hopkins
Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
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The UK's leading technology reseller www.dabs.com
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OK, OK,

I want to overclock

I found a P4 2.4C retail for $139.

What should I expect and which MB (Asus/Abit)

Will the ram reccommended above work well with this?

Sorry, I almost went to the dark side,

bob




How about a
"Richard Hopkins" <richh@dsl.nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Bob Snelgrove" <steelgtr_95127@yahoo.com> wrote in message...
> > I'm getting a P4 3.0E,
>
> Why? Have you tried to get hold of a 3.0C? If you can find one, you'd be
> better off both in performance and heat control terms.
>
> > Might not even overclock this time.
>
> Eh? Given that you're asking in an overclocking newsgroup it's now a
little
> difficult to know what context to answer your questions in. If you don't
> care about overclockability it doesn't really matter what you buy, does
it?
> Virtually anything will work stably at default speeds...
>
> Given the Prescott's prodigous heat output, not overclocking it will, if
> nothing else, save you some time and money investigating thermal
solutions.
> However, given this CPU design's disappointing performance at default
> speeds, you'll need to overclock it to maximise the investment involved in
a
> new CPU-motherboard-memory package.
>
> > I like Abit or Asus so what do you guys recommend?
>
> Yes, they're good. If you're not overclocking though you could buy just
> about anything and it'll perform about the same. Why not look at Intel's
own
> motherboards?
>
> > I'll be running 1 gig of ram and would also appreciate a
> > recommendation for dual channel ram,
>
> Yes, dual channel RAM is recommended. Seeing as you haven't told us
whether
> you're going for a Socket 478 or 775 solution, and thus haven't told us
> whether you're interested in DDR or DDR2 memory, it's impossible to make
any
> specific suggestions, but...
>
> > again prolly won't overclock
>
> In which case it again doesn't really matter what you buy, does it?
>
> > ps: don't flame me for posting in the overclock NG. I've been here
> > since the Celery 366@550 days
>
> Sorry Bob, I don't care how long you've been here, this somewhat quixotic
> post belongs in the "Ask a stupid question, expect a stupid answer"
column.
> On the one hand you imply that you're not after getting the most
performance
> you can from whatever you buy, so why, in that context, does component
> choice make any difference at all? Given the name of this newsgroup, do
you
> honestly think many of us here have lots of experience running stuff at
> *default* speeds?
>
> If you're not going to overclock, you don't have to waste our time asking
> this stuff, all you have to do is look through the various websites, find
a
> motherboard with the feature set you want, and buy one. If you want to
know
> what a good overclocking platform would comprise, or indeed how well a
> specific component overclocks, that's the point at which we may be able
to
> share some experience.
> --
>
>
> Richard Hopkins
> Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
> (replace .nospam with .com in reply address)
>
> The UK's leading technology reseller www.dabs.com
> Get the most out of your digital photos www.dabsxpose.com
>
>

 

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"Bob Snelgrove" <steelgtr_95127@yahoo.com> wrote in message...
> OK, OK,
>
> I want to overclock

That's better! ;-)

> I found a P4 2.4C retail for $139.

Cool, a much better performance option than the 3.0E. You could hedge your
bets a little with a 2.6C, if you can find one.

> What should I expect

Could go anywhere between 3.1-3.4GHz, maybe even a little more if you get
lucky. That means you need a motherboard and memory that'll live in the
270-285MHz FSB area. The result will be storming performance thanks to the
super-high memory bandwidth you'll get.

> and which MB (Asus/Abit)

No direct experience of Asus's products in this area, but Abit's IC7 Max3
and IC7-G are both excellent, and will work stably at the speeds you need.
If you can do without serial and parallel ports the IC7 Max3 is slightly
more versatile, will run to slightly higher speeds, and employs a better
cooling solution.

> Will the ram reccommended above work well with this?

If I was buying this system I'd get some of Corsair's new CL2.5 XMS4400.
Given the sort of FSB's the CPU could be capable of, you need as much
headroom with the memory as you can get.

> Sorry, I almost went to the dark side,

No worries, glad to see you back on the straight and narrow! 🙂
--


Richard Hopkins
Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
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The UK's leading technology reseller www.dabs.com
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Cool,

I feel so much better now

Richard, I am on a pretty tight budget and was trying to keep the MB around
$100 and the gig of ram around $150. Is this reasonable or do you require
the higher end ram and MB to OC these chips?

I also prefer to stick with retail cooling and 2.8-3.0 would be fine. Can I
get that out of a 2.4c?

thx!

bob


"Richard Hopkins" <richh@dsl.nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:41b5ac60$0$19161$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com...
> "Bob Snelgrove" <steelgtr_95127@yahoo.com> wrote in message...
> > OK, OK,
> >
> > I want to overclock
>
> That's better! ;-)
>
> > I found a P4 2.4C retail for $139.
>
> Cool, a much better performance option than the 3.0E. You could hedge your
> bets a little with a 2.6C, if you can find one.
>
> > What should I expect
>
> Could go anywhere between 3.1-3.4GHz, maybe even a little more if you get
> lucky. That means you need a motherboard and memory that'll live in the
> 270-285MHz FSB area. The result will be storming performance thanks to the
> super-high memory bandwidth you'll get.
>
> > and which MB (Asus/Abit)
>
> No direct experience of Asus's products in this area, but Abit's IC7 Max3
> and IC7-G are both excellent, and will work stably at the speeds you need.
> If you can do without serial and parallel ports the IC7 Max3 is slightly
> more versatile, will run to slightly higher speeds, and employs a better
> cooling solution.
>
> > Will the ram reccommended above work well with this?
>
> If I was buying this system I'd get some of Corsair's new CL2.5 XMS4400.
> Given the sort of FSB's the CPU could be capable of, you need as much
> headroom with the memory as you can get.
>
> > Sorry, I almost went to the dark side,
>
> No worries, glad to see you back on the straight and narrow! 🙂
> --
>
>
> Richard Hopkins
> Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
> (replace .nospam with .com in reply address)
>
> The UK's leading technology reseller www.dabs.com
> Get the most out of your digital photos www.dabsxpose.com
>
>

 

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"Bob Snelgrove" <steelgtr_95127@yahoo.com> wrote in message...
> Richard, I am on a pretty tight budget and was trying to keep the MB
> around $100 and the gig of ram around $150. Is this reasonable or
> do you require the higher end ram and MB to OC these chips?

I'm on the opposite side of the Atlantic to you Bob, and thus can't say for
certain, but I'd imagine that if you look around a little you'll find the
IC7-G and IC7 Max3 at not too far away from your notional figure.

As to the higher end RAM and motherboard, the secret to getting the best
performance out of a Pentium 4 setup is to run as high an FSB as you can
while keeping the memory bus synchronous with it. This is why the low
multiplier chips like the 2.4C and 2.6C are known as such good overclocking
candidates. To do this, of course, you need a motherboard that's known to be
stable at high FSB's, and you also need memory rated beyond the 250MHz that
PC4000 should do, so yes, a good motherboard and RAM are desirable if you're
going to get the most out of this package.

> I also prefer to stick with retail cooling and 2.8-3.0 would be fine. Can
> I get that out of a 2.4c?

Yeah, 2.8 on retail cooling should be a pretty easy ask, it'll probably do
that on default voltage. It also relaxes the requirements for the memory a
bit, as PC4000 will do you. I don't know what the price difference between
Corsair's XMS4000 and the XMS440025 sticks is, but if you want to save a few
bucks this may be the way to do it.

On the other hand, what you're looking at for the "whole hog" package is a
relatively small percentage of your total budget, and the difference is
likely to be big enough that you won't need a benchmark to notice it. If I
were in your shoes I'd be tempted to spend the extra and do the job right to
start with. In the long run it may well pay for itself, and you won't be
sitting there wondering how much better it would have been.
--


Richard Hopkins
Cardiff, Wales, United Kingdom
(replace .nospam with .com in reply address)

The UK's leading technology reseller www.dabs.com
Get the most out of your digital photos www.dabsxpose.com