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thecolorblue
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[citation][nom]mikenygmail[/nom]The validity of the IQ test has been a point of contention since the creation of the test itself. I do not believe that it is broad or deep enough to accurately measure the overall power of a person's brain. After all, science doesn't even fully understand how the brain works. However, it clearly measures *something* and the people who decide the metrics for the test are fully committed to it's integrity.[/citation]
their careers depend on it
as the saying goes: it's hard to get someone to know something when his livelihood depends on him not knowing it
their careers depend on it
as the saying goes: it's hard to get someone to know something when his livelihood depends on him not knowing it
thecolorblue
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[citation][nom]mikenygmail[/nom]The validity of the IQ test has been a point of contention since the creation of the test itself. I do not believe that it is broad or deep enough to accurately measure the overall power of a person's brain. After all, science doesn't even fully understand how the brain works. However, it clearly measures *something* and the people who decide the metrics for the test are fully committed to it's integrity.[/citation]
http://www.amazon.com/The-Mismeasure-Man-Revised-Expanded/dp/0393314251
you might like it, you'll definitely find it interesting
http://www.amazon.com/The-Mismeasure-Man-Revised-Expanded/dp/0393314251
you might like it, you'll definitely find it interesting
Seriously guys... Are most of us here on Tom's pro-piracy? 🙁
The law may seem outrageous but think about it... How often would they be able to catch someone? I see it as making it ridiculously high so that people wouldn't dare risk it as much... They shouldn't be doing in the first place and if they don't the problem won't affect them, along with making sure they don't pave the way for the crime to happen like letting people use their computers intentionally or unintentionally.
Laws ideally would scare of people from doing wrong. People can be irresponsible a lot of times. Just like children, parents are there to provide punishment and thus hopefully prevent their child from doing bad things again. Same as the government should for its people.
If the penalties for this new law were only so mild along with them probably having a very low chance of getting caught, who would be scared of committing the crime?
I have a feeling I'd get thumbed down for this, but I just had to share my thoughts.
The law may seem outrageous but think about it... How often would they be able to catch someone? I see it as making it ridiculously high so that people wouldn't dare risk it as much... They shouldn't be doing in the first place and if they don't the problem won't affect them, along with making sure they don't pave the way for the crime to happen like letting people use their computers intentionally or unintentionally.
Laws ideally would scare of people from doing wrong. People can be irresponsible a lot of times. Just like children, parents are there to provide punishment and thus hopefully prevent their child from doing bad things again. Same as the government should for its people.
If the penalties for this new law were only so mild along with them probably having a very low chance of getting caught, who would be scared of committing the crime?
I have a feeling I'd get thumbed down for this, but I just had to share my thoughts.
danielravennest
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In the US Constitution we have a clause about "cruel and unusual punishment". Two years in jail for downloading a song is cruel and unusual. Of course, this is Japan, and they may not have protection from such twisted laws. The punishment should be on the level of a speeding ticket, pay the fine and move on with your life, not ruin your life entirely. Many people cannot get a job with a criminal record, so this can ruin someone for their whole life. A fine, however large, does not have the same stigma attached.
Think about this though. How are we doing here in the US? Don't we have quite a problem with people who just do what they want without regard for values or morals? We have SO MANY speeders on our roads that it isn't even funny. If we upped the punishment and enforced it, would we have as much accidents (a lot of which lead to death) on our roads?
Really, just put it this way... If you don't do it (and stay away from trouble, i.e. others who may do it), then why would the punishment be a problem? Again, it is really outrageous, but the government have to do something about it and other problems. If you have undisciplined, irresponsible people with no regard for morals and values, you shouldn't let them be that way or let them get away with it. We have to solve this problem one way or another. It sounds very "dictator-like" but you have to remember the difference between solving a problem and barely doing anything about it.
Really, just put it this way... If you don't do it (and stay away from trouble, i.e. others who may do it), then why would the punishment be a problem? Again, it is really outrageous, but the government have to do something about it and other problems. If you have undisciplined, irresponsible people with no regard for morals and values, you shouldn't let them be that way or let them get away with it. We have to solve this problem one way or another. It sounds very "dictator-like" but you have to remember the difference between solving a problem and barely doing anything about it.
[citation][nom]kittle[/nom]This attitude is what causes piracy (stealing) to get started.Based on the comments here and in past articles, people think that if they want something, and it costs too much, then they have a right to steal it.Whatever happened to wait until you can afford it?[/citation]
probably the whole milk the fans, professional only, and monopolies that happen.
mix that in with newer music going through the degradation that is the loudness war, with absolutely no way buy new to get better masters.
or if you are into movies, there are many that will never be re released outside of vhs, tv shows that will never be put out, and the only way to get them is on the bootleg/torrent areas.
you want to argue tward "buy when you can afford it" than look at japan for a moment
media there is insanely priced, to the point that living on your own, you may not be able to afford 2 episodes of a tv show a month.
tv also works different there than america, i dont believe they get a large amount if any for free, that im not sure on as i have head many different things.
you also have to consider the censorship there is mostly for dvd sales and such, with the tv show of anime more or less a try before you buy.
for video games you also have to realize nintendo sued and won making it illegal to rent any game.
and lastly, idol groups blatantly pandering to obesesive fans.
its kind of hard to make an argument for those kinds or practices.
right or not, you have to look at why it happens in the first place.
[citation][nom]kinggremlin[/nom]What's truly absurd is how you think any court is going to go after a guy who downloaded 1 song illegally. It is also extremely rare for any defendant to get the maximum sentence for any crime. You either have to be a multiple offender or gratuitously violated the law to receive the maximum. The article states a fine of up to $25,700 fine. Unfortunately, many of you don't understand what up to means.You want to know how to avoid getting up to 2 years in jail or up to a $25,700 fine for illegally downloading media files? Don't illegally download media files It's not that hard.[/citation]
you do understand how cops in japan work... right?
lets say you are accused of "touching" a girl.
you never did it, but she fingers you...
your life is over, but lets say god is on your side that day, and you have video evidence and everyone can back up you did nothing.
well you were already taken to the poliece,
you had a laptop
and they searched its cashe...
toy cant pin original charges, but whats this, a youtube video that was unauthorized. well lets throw the book at him there.
you have to imagine that isn't far off from what will happen. most poliece stations still use ip = you there, and if they do know that it isn't, they still arrest people based on it, recently a creator of gundam was held for an un specified time due to his ip being hijacked.
imagine if they know ip isnt always guilt, they could litteraly finger anyone, get their computer and find copyrighted material.
[citation][nom]army_ant7[/nom]Seriously guys... Are most of us here on Tom's pro-piracy? The law may seem outrageous but think about it... How often would they be able to catch someone? I see it as making it ridiculously high so that people wouldn't dare risk it as much... They shouldn't be doing in the first place and if they don't the problem won't affect them, along with making sure they don't pave the way for the crime to happen like letting people use their computers intentionally or unintentionally.Laws ideally would scare of people from doing wrong. People can be irresponsible a lot of times. Just like children, parents are there to provide punishment and thus hopefully prevent their child from doing bad things again. Same as the government should for its people.If the penalties for this new law were only so mild along with them probably having a very low chance of getting caught, who would be scared of committing the crime?I have a feeling I'd get thumbed down for this, but I just had to share my thoughts.[/citation]
i would rather get caught on video rapeing and murdering a baby, than caught on piracy in most cases, because laws are designed on criminal empires not individuals.
most piracy is a sub 20$ crime, (japan that may be sub 100$) but the punishment for it is over 50000 times what the thing was worth in the first place.
lets say you get caught, and they want to make an example. do they charge you sepeartly for each case or as a whole? could be the difference between 25k and upwards a few million$, and are you able to also be pegged in civil court? where a 250K+ award to the company isnt unheard of.
there is a difference between a stiff punishment, and you may as well kill yourself.
probably the whole milk the fans, professional only, and monopolies that happen.
mix that in with newer music going through the degradation that is the loudness war, with absolutely no way buy new to get better masters.
or if you are into movies, there are many that will never be re released outside of vhs, tv shows that will never be put out, and the only way to get them is on the bootleg/torrent areas.
you want to argue tward "buy when you can afford it" than look at japan for a moment
media there is insanely priced, to the point that living on your own, you may not be able to afford 2 episodes of a tv show a month.
tv also works different there than america, i dont believe they get a large amount if any for free, that im not sure on as i have head many different things.
you also have to consider the censorship there is mostly for dvd sales and such, with the tv show of anime more or less a try before you buy.
for video games you also have to realize nintendo sued and won making it illegal to rent any game.
and lastly, idol groups blatantly pandering to obesesive fans.
its kind of hard to make an argument for those kinds or practices.
right or not, you have to look at why it happens in the first place.
[citation][nom]kinggremlin[/nom]What's truly absurd is how you think any court is going to go after a guy who downloaded 1 song illegally. It is also extremely rare for any defendant to get the maximum sentence for any crime. You either have to be a multiple offender or gratuitously violated the law to receive the maximum. The article states a fine of up to $25,700 fine. Unfortunately, many of you don't understand what up to means.You want to know how to avoid getting up to 2 years in jail or up to a $25,700 fine for illegally downloading media files? Don't illegally download media files It's not that hard.[/citation]
you do understand how cops in japan work... right?
lets say you are accused of "touching" a girl.
you never did it, but she fingers you...
your life is over, but lets say god is on your side that day, and you have video evidence and everyone can back up you did nothing.
well you were already taken to the poliece,
you had a laptop
and they searched its cashe...
toy cant pin original charges, but whats this, a youtube video that was unauthorized. well lets throw the book at him there.
you have to imagine that isn't far off from what will happen. most poliece stations still use ip = you there, and if they do know that it isn't, they still arrest people based on it, recently a creator of gundam was held for an un specified time due to his ip being hijacked.
imagine if they know ip isnt always guilt, they could litteraly finger anyone, get their computer and find copyrighted material.
[citation][nom]army_ant7[/nom]Seriously guys... Are most of us here on Tom's pro-piracy? The law may seem outrageous but think about it... How often would they be able to catch someone? I see it as making it ridiculously high so that people wouldn't dare risk it as much... They shouldn't be doing in the first place and if they don't the problem won't affect them, along with making sure they don't pave the way for the crime to happen like letting people use their computers intentionally or unintentionally.Laws ideally would scare of people from doing wrong. People can be irresponsible a lot of times. Just like children, parents are there to provide punishment and thus hopefully prevent their child from doing bad things again. Same as the government should for its people.If the penalties for this new law were only so mild along with them probably having a very low chance of getting caught, who would be scared of committing the crime?I have a feeling I'd get thumbed down for this, but I just had to share my thoughts.[/citation]
i would rather get caught on video rapeing and murdering a baby, than caught on piracy in most cases, because laws are designed on criminal empires not individuals.
most piracy is a sub 20$ crime, (japan that may be sub 100$) but the punishment for it is over 50000 times what the thing was worth in the first place.
lets say you get caught, and they want to make an example. do they charge you sepeartly for each case or as a whole? could be the difference between 25k and upwards a few million$, and are you able to also be pegged in civil court? where a 250K+ award to the company isnt unheard of.
there is a difference between a stiff punishment, and you may as well kill yourself.
If certain companies choose not to release certain episodes/content, you shouldn't think that you have a right to acquire/watch them. Things like celebrity scandal videos don't seem to come out officially, and for a reason, because they don't want other people seeing them.
You talk as if TV shows and movies are a necessity of life for them to be overpriced. They are just WANTS. If I want an expensive car so badly, but can't afford it, should I go ahead and try acquiring one by other means i.e. stealing?
"...Laws are designed on criminal empires not individuals." I'm not sure if you meant "for" instead of "on," but if that were the case, then I'd say you're mistaken. Again, only if that were the case.
Here's the thing. There's a difference between giving an equal/adequate punishment for a crime (but still have people commit it because it isn't so bad and they may be unlikely caught) which you seem to be for; and giving a very harsh punishment for a crime (and have people steer clear of trouble out of fear and thus prevent crime from happening in the first place) which I'm for. I don't know about you, but I think laws should ideally cause people to avoid committing crimes to begin with, just like how a child fears punishment from his/her parent(s) for doing something bad. Unless you enjoy punishing your child(ren), aren't punishments (and rewards) there to promote good behavior with your child(ren)? (And if you think about it, if people are being irresponsible and lack values, then they should be treated like children with punishment i.e. the law).
They oughtta make punishments for those other worse crimes...worse, but the thing is, lifetime imprisonment or even death might be as much as the law can do for criminals that are that bad.
[citation][nom]army_ant7[/nom]If certain companies choose not to release certain episodes/content, you shouldn't think that you have a right to acquire/watch them. Things like celebrity scandal videos don't seem to come out officially, and for a reason, because they don't want other people seeing them.You talk as if TV shows and movies are a necessity of life for them to be overpriced. They are just WANTS. If I want an expensive car so badly, but can't afford it, should I go ahead and try acquiring one by other means i.e. stealing?"...Laws are designed on criminal empires not individuals." I'm not sure if you meant "for" instead of "on," but if that were the case, then I'd say you're mistaken. Again, only if that were the case.Here's the thing. There's a difference between giving an equal/adequate punishment for a crime (but still have people commit it because it isn't so bad and they may be unlikely caught) which you seem to be for; and giving a very harsh punishment for a crime (and have people steer clear of trouble out of fear and thus prevent crime from happening in the first place) which I'm for. I don't know about you, but I think laws should ideally cause people to avoid committing crimes to begin with, just like how a child fears punishment from his/her parent(s) for doing something bad. Unless you enjoy punishing your child(ren), aren't punishments (and rewards) there to promote good behavior with your child(ren)? (And if you think about it, if people are being irresponsible and lack values, then they should be treated like children with punishment i.e. the law).They oughtta make punishments for those other worse crimes...worse, but the thing is, lifetime imprisonment or even death might be as much as the law can do for criminals that are that bad.[/citation]
when i say will not be releasesd outside of vhs i mean things like this
http://www.wired.com/entertainment/music/news/2005/03/66696?currentPage=all
where rights issues make it impossible for a show to come out,
shows that have a small devoted following, but would never see the light of day
movies that many would rather have forgotten
things that will never com out, due to how things happen.
with music
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EScPiP2QjXM
regardless of if you like them, this is the best example of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRyIACDCc1I
again, knowing the why things happen is important too.
buy a new remastered version of a song you like, or find an old original in this case, by any means nessassary.
for music if you dont care about quality, than its a dead argument from the start.
when i say will not be releasesd outside of vhs i mean things like this
http://www.wired.com/entertainment/music/news/2005/03/66696?currentPage=all
where rights issues make it impossible for a show to come out,
shows that have a small devoted following, but would never see the light of day
movies that many would rather have forgotten
things that will never com out, due to how things happen.
with music
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EScPiP2QjXM
regardless of if you like them, this is the best example of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRyIACDCc1I
again, knowing the why things happen is important too.
buy a new remastered version of a song you like, or find an old original in this case, by any means nessassary.
for music if you dont care about quality, than its a dead argument from the start.
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