Any possiblities of starting your own ISP that provide the Internet access service to your house ONLY?

[ngbeslhang]

NOTE: I wasn't planning on doing this until I've got enough money and have enough informations. So please, just please, don't ask me about the budget of whatever things, I'm not decided to do it yet.

So I was wondering, can you actually build your OWN PRIVATE-USE ONLY ISP without ever connecting to any major ISPs? Like can I provide the Internet access by myself (which I think it's impossible) or connecting to the Internet backbone from the Tier 1 ISPs?

The main reason why I wanted to do this is because my current ISP can only provide 8Mbps of download speed in my area (shall I mention that I am from Malaysia? Oh and the telco was Telekom Malaysia) and I'm mainly a gamer who downloads the game files frequently (in fact most of my Steam downloads + updates were never completed at all because I play online games which were Counter-Strike series games) .

I'd like to get at least 100Mbps but the ISP which provide the fastest speed in my area, Yes 4G (no, not LTE), provide at most 20Mbps. I did use it before but it's quite pricey for the prepaid one. And the ISP which, I think, provide the fastest speed in the consumer lines, Time dotCOM, provide 100Mbps and it's quite cheap compared to the 4Mbps package I owned with the Internet speed they provided. The problem is they are currently focusing on the high-rise buildings like apartments, so their services are not available in the residental areas yet.

So I'd like to ask, is building your private-use ISP possible?

ADDITIONAL: So the Time dotCOM have services for carriers (http://www.time.com.my/carriers/cpcs.asp) but I'm not sure about the wholesale bandwidth. Does it provide Internet access? Do you need to pay the fee monthly/annualy?

 

[vrumor]

Itll be cheaper to buy a house in a different area with better internet, than to start your own ISP for your own use.

 

[ngbeslhang]

I can't do this. I love my hometown so much that I didn't want to move out of the town.
Also I know the total price of setting up an ISP will be extremely huge. (I did the research about it since a few months ago so I know it will be ****ing expensive, I've think about making money via providing cheap high-speed Internet access in my neighbourhood.

 

[Kewlx25]

The Internet is just a collection of *private* networks. In order to connect to someone else's network, you must get permission some how, and that is typically by being a paying customer.

If what you want is to dictate your own rules, you need to purchase an business grade connection or possibly an enterprise grade one. A 1.5mb/1.5mb enterprise grade connection is going to run you around $300-$600/month. plus installation and hardware. Once you start getting around $1k/month, then you can start looking at 10mb/10mb connections, around $1k is 100mb/100mb and around $5k/month is 1gb/1gb.

Prices may vary.

As you can tell, price per megabit start to get really cheap around 1gb, and it continues to do so into 10gb and 100gb speeds, but I don't think you'll be affording any of this.

 

[ngbeslhang]

Well, I did contact Time dotCOM for their Private Leased Line before (http://www.time.com.my/business/entgov/private_leased_line.asp) and the price will start from RM35,000 PER YEAR (35,000 Malaysian Ringgit divide by 3 = approximately 11,666 US dollars), it actually seems to suits me since I'll both use it to surf Internet/play online games and host a web + game servers in the future. I'd like to get 10Gb ones.

The problem is, does the service also provide the Inernet access? (I didn't ask about it)

If you don't think this suits me, can you find the one that suits my requirement?

1. Not from TM
Reason: The monopoly in the entire Malaysia, also my current ISP. Their services is ****ing... even the local netizens call their StreamyX service as "ScreamyX" which is the service I'm using currently + their only service available in my area.

2. Meet any of the nessasary requirements for a international web/game servers (I don't want to see my server getting DDoS attacks or hacks, so it's better to get a private line or whatever)

3. MUST BE IN/SUPPORTED IN MALAYSIA

4. Must at least have 1Gbps download/upload speed since I'll use the line for both using Internet and hosting servers

Thanks for advance.

 

[bill001g]

Your key issue getting anything like this is actually having the fiber directly in the street in front of your house. There is no way to even guess the pricing on something like this. It may actually not be possible if some government entity makes it too costly. This always involves digging lots of holes and boring under the streets.

Google fiber is being put in a couple of cities in the US but those cities are subsidizing google, cities that are not making is very easy for google are not even on the list of cities.

If this company you list is not a ISP themselves then what they provide purely connectivity from one location to another. It is surprising they quote you any numbers it costs much more to run a circuit in a city that across a country.

You should be able to buy a connection from your location to a city that international fiber coming in. Many of the large ISP like ATT, Verizon, Singtel directly serve many countries. You just need to have your private fiber connection from the company you list go to the same building they have their equipment in. Many ISP call these buildings peer points or meetme pops. You could likely buy directly from level 3 who is the international provider TM uses. I know our company has direct internet and private line circuits from Singtel and verizon but our buildings are on the fiber rings in KL.

You can likely get a connection for your own private use the huge problem is if you intend to resell the service. Whatever ISP currently provides service likely has some agreement which some government agency to prevent you from doing this

 

[ngbeslhang]

Well, since I live in a small town far away from KL with more than 100km++, the town itself did not even have the fibres pre-installed. The best Internet ever available over here was Yes 4G (which of course, it's a WISP I think?) but I felt it was quite expensive when it comes to their prepaid service. (I used them before)

When it comes to the wired Internet access services, the best inside my hometown would be 8Mbps StreamyX package by TM.

 

[bill001g]

This likely means there is fiber that both the cell company and TM is using to run their network. It is almost impossible to go long distances on any form of copper. They could use microwave radio but it generally is not done much any more.

Mostly its going to be how much are they willing to sell you fiber access for. All these companies sell back and forth to each other. You likely can get access it just depends if it ever would be cost effective.

 

[ngbeslhang]

Okay.

So I've done some research and got a question:

1.If their fibres they've already put are near to my area, can I get their services by connecting to their fibre lines and NOT from the nearby PoP itself? (The nearest could be Kuala Lumpur, otherwise Singapore if they do not have any PoPs in KL)

2. If yes, how long will the ISPs willing to put the fibres? (I think the nearest international fibres which is the nearest to my area would be >100km)

 

[bill001g]

I guess you technically can get the local fiber cross connected to to international fiber. There are many amplifiers along the way. Since there is extremely limited number of pairs of fiber that run under the ocean it tends to not be cost effective to try to get one yourself.

The way this is normally done is you run on a dedicated fiber to the common meet me pops. At that location the provider you buy from will purchase from who ever really owns the fiber a path for you. It likely will be multiple companies but to you it appears you have your own fiber with some stated rate. Pretty much everything is virtual. You do not actually get a fiber...unless you are buying 10g or more. They use many things from wave division to forms of MPLS to provide this service.

It is not real important you tell them how much bandwidth you need and they tell you the price. Unlike consumer grade stuff you will get guaranteed service level with guarantees on the latency and even guarantees on time to repair.

Your best bet is to know as much as possible about which companies own which fiber paths between the location you want. It is best to deal with as few middlemen as possible. Still if you are some unknown that can't prove you have the ability to get the funding they likely will not even talk to you . You may be forced to pay the smaller companies if the large ones do not want to deal with you.

 

[ngbeslhang]

So according to what did you say, does it means that connecting to the international fibres under the ocean is far more cost-effective than connect to the land one? (I should've told you that my area was at the edge of the ocean)

Anyway my preferred bandwidth was 10Gb and above, so it's not a problem unless I can't afford the price, then I'll make my preferred bandwidth lower.

 

[bill001g]

Unless you happen own the land right where the cables come ashore you will always pay for some land cable. You are getting way to far ahead of yourself. Unless you really have millions of dollars to spend you can not actually just buy services directly from the owners of undersea fiber. Back before uunet/MFS went bankrupt they spent BILLIONS of dollars on the undersea cable the companies like level 3 that acquired them pay millions in just maintenance every year.

Your largest problem is going to be the last mile.....ie the last little part of fiber from the main network to your location. This is one of key question the company I work for asks when trying to find office buildings. The cost to connect to high speed networks is as much as the building lease many times....and we are talking large buildings. Just a month ago we paid $625,000 to have a secondary fiber path bored just over 4 miles. We had the primary path in the street but they were concerned we could lose connectivity if some dug of the main fiber. If you do not have fiber very close it is going to cost a lot to get a connection to the main fiber paths.